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August 1, 2007, 07:50 AM | #1 |
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Feds searching people in downtown Indianapolis
Anybody know what's going on? There are TSA stations with about 20 agents each set up in at least two spots in downtown Indianapolis. They're stopping and searching people getting on and off city busses and travelling on the street. This is going a little too far.
Where exactly did this authority come from? Has this been going on anywhere else? |
August 1, 2007, 08:23 AM | #2 |
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In NYC the police set up random checks to get on the subway, people could refuse but then were not allowed on. I have no idea what the TSA is doing with this? Perhaps they are training or sometihng... Call the ACLU and have them do something good for once.
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I believe the authority comes from the unConstitutional Patriot Act. Your 4th Amendment protected rights are a nullity.
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I remember nice old ladies and "good samaritans" actually volunteering themselves to be checked. You heard me right.
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August 1, 2007, 08:37 AM | #5 |
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Got any links? Obviously, if true, it's as blatently unconstitutional as the day is long.
Did any court case come out of the NYC subway incident? |
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I love the logic, you are allowed to refuse the search but doing so creates probably cause for a mandatory search... right!
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August 1, 2007, 09:06 AM | #9 |
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I haven't seen this, but I haven't been downtown lately. Seems pretty extreme and unconstitutional. Shouldn't affect you if you have a carry permit though. As far as I understand the law there is nothing against carrying on mass transit here in Indiana.
Where is this happening? |
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East of Capitol and Market, and near the federal building, TSA has a tent at the bus stop with a sign that everyone is subject to search. They had about 15-20 agents out there when I passed at 8:30AM
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August 1, 2007, 09:19 AM | #11 |
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Thats nuts! I don't see anything about firearms or searching or anything on their website.
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August 1, 2007, 09:24 AM | #12 |
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Is it near the building or at the entrance of the federal building? Also, can you confirm these were TSA employees?
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August 1, 2007, 09:24 AM | #13 |
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August 1, 2007, 09:31 AM | #15 | |
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I can remember times growing up when my dad was carrying off duty and the reactions that got years ago, I can't imagine in this day in age of fear what the reaction would be when I whip out a pink piece of paper and not a badge... So I think my "Should't affect you..." statement was very porly worded. |
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August 1, 2007, 10:07 AM | #16 |
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They're at bus stops. White shirts with the gold TSA on the front just like the airport guys. There were a few differently dressed agents standing around with "Police FAM" on them, but I have no idea what that stands for.
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"Police FAM" I would believe stands for "Federal Air Marshal" I could be wrong though...
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August 1, 2007, 10:53 AM | #18 |
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Yes, it's apparently something called a VIPR mission...
http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/vipr_cities.shtm Looks like "that time" is rushing towards us. |
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August 1, 2007, 11:47 AM | #20 |
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This wasn't just visual though. The TSA had the blue latex gloves and were searching people.
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Yet, if some whacko, home-grown or Al-Queda, manges to Oklahoma City another federal building, we'll be right in there, blaming the government.
Why is it that all TSA workers are " minimally-trained drones" to some people here? That's like calling all doctors quacks, all lawyers thieves, and all gun-owners amoral psychopaths. Let's see how many CCW holders are face down on the ground before we blather on about them, shall we? Besides, nobody has mentioned any local cops in place yet. The Federal Air Marshals enjoy a good reputation, and might just have brought the point up to the "drones". |
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Its one thing for them to VISUALLY keep an eye on the busses or ride along, but its another thing to search all passengers, unless there was some legitimate threat I don't know about. I think this behavior is pretty close to crossing the line if its not already over. I might have to meander through downtown on the way home tonight to see this setup for my own eyes. It has sparked my curiousity. |
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Doctors and lawyers go to school for about eight years. TSA people are hired off the street and given minimal training, and only need a high school education. Some have even been ex-cons. See what you think of them next time you get hassled by one in an airport for having a tiny nail clipper, while tests constantly get fake bombs and guns right past them. |
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I would love to see our Innercities (Large Cities) to look like Israel With Armed Troops and well armed LEO's and TSA types and even ICE and Border Agents in the Mix everywhere and Cameras that make London look [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color] world in compparason
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