Get real on Taurus quality!

Avenger11 · October 22, 2007, 06:51 PM

Yes, I admit that I'm not fond of Taurus products. Owned a few and really tried to like them but the fit, finish, reliability and customer service is severely lacking. Pricing should not be the primary consideration when buying a handgun, in fact perhaps it should be the last thing.
To my knowledge, Taurus does not meet any military or law enforcement standards, nor, are they used for such.
They have been somewhat innovative in design, but failing in quality.

BigEd63 · October 22, 2007, 07:10 PM

I tend to agree. The only Taurus product I owned was that .22LR 9 shooter it was not a bad gun for a plinker.
After I fixed it so it would fire as the hammer pad was too thick and could not impart enough force for the firing pin to work right through the transfer bar.
I do not even know how the thing made it past final inspection and test.

I do have 2 freinds that simply love their Taurus handguns but they hardly ever shoot them.

Another had one of their compact polymere framed 9's kaboom on him. They replaced it and he sold the new replacment.

YMMV

Mannlicher · October 22, 2007, 07:27 PM

and on the other hand, I have put a lot of rounds down range with several Taurus handguns, carried them for CCW duty for years, and have never had a problem. Go figure!
My newest Taurus, a snubby Titanium 85 MULTI in .38 special is very light weight, carries in the pocket all day long, is reliable and accurate. Who could ask for anything more?

G-Cym · October 22, 2007, 07:54 PM

I've got a Taurus Millennium Pro PT140, and I've yet to have a single malfunction after about 600 rounds so far. I trust it with my life.

kristop64089 · October 22, 2007, 08:13 PM

I have a PT-140(for 2weeks now) I have no-issues so far.

I have Glocks, Springers,Smiths,CZ's and more. I really don't have issues w/fit and finish(other than the Chamber indicator looks like it was painted in the dark.)

Like the Feel and look of the gun.

I might recommend one(still to new to me)

Benzene · October 22, 2007, 08:18 PM

They include the PT145 MillPro and the 608 {8-round .357 magnum revolver}. I have had ZERO problem with both of them. Such criteria like "fit and finish", resale value...aren't these relative terms? I haven't so far bought any gun with a view to "resell" it.

jakeswensonmt · October 22, 2007, 08:26 PM

Taurus 24/7 pro 9mm:

Reliablity: 100%
Ergos: incredible
Capacity: very high
Features: great
Accuracy: very bad

If accuracy is not on your wish list, you will like this gun. Otherwise...

Tom2 · October 22, 2007, 08:33 PM

Owned a Taurus revolver once that had an irreperable flaw back 20 some years ago. Went to the pawnshop for 60$ so I lost 140$. But have owned a 92 type auto of theirs since then and while it was not quite as sharp in some details as the Beretta, I thought it was a pretty good gun for the price(used) and no problems with it at all. Might get another if the price was right. I do think the Brazilian police or military do use them, as they probably underbid all the imports easily!

James K · October 22, 2007, 08:57 PM

BigEd63 wrote, "I do not even know how the thing made it past final inspection and test."

BigEd63 is making an assumption that may not be true, not only for Taurus but for many other modern makers as well.

Jim

Jkwas · October 22, 2007, 09:08 PM

Quote:

To my knowledge, Taurus does not meet any military or law enforcement standards, nor, are they used for such.

The Brazilian Military and Police forces may disagree.......

joab · October 22, 2007, 10:02 PM

As would the Singapore police force

Redneck with a 40 · October 22, 2007, 10:13 PM

I have a taurus tracker 357 mag and a taurus mil-pro 40, both have been excellent guns and offer tremendous bang for the buck. 2000+ rounds out of my taurus mil-pro, zero failures, surprisingly accurate, great fit and finish, I would say this gun rivals my XD. I would definitely buy another one, for $350, I think its a great value. My tracker 357, same thing, very accurate, comfortable to shoot, 7 shot cylinder, ported barrel, its a great range gun/field gun, my primary uses for it. This gun has very tight lock-up and just has a good, solid feel to it.

I take the op's statement with a grain of salt, my experience with Taurus has been excellent.

Qwiks draw · October 22, 2007, 10:42 PM

bigghoss · October 23, 2007, 03:30 AM

it seams to me that they put the effort into their flagship stuff, especially the autos. it's like the new guys get stuck on stuff like the 605 while the guys that are good at their jobs get moved to the raging bull or 24/7.

ranburr · October 23, 2007, 04:09 AM

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To my knowledge, Taurus does not meet any military or law enforcement standards, nor, are they used for such.

Avenger11, your knowledge is lacking. The Taurus 92s came about as a direct result of military contracts won by Beretta in Brazil. Slap a slide mounted safety on this pistol and it is the same gun that became the M9. Taurus guns are used by military and police departments around the world. Heavily in latin America. They are not my favorite guns, but the ones that I have used were always reliable.

Ala Dan · October 23, 2007, 09:52 AM

I've NEVER owned a Tauri handgun, and probably NEVER will; even tho' the
PT 1911 and "The Judge" .45/.410 is gett'in some out-standing reviews.

.38Catt · October 23, 2007, 09:54 AM

Avenger:

Just curious, what is your motivation for this post?

.38Catt

45Marlin carbine · October 23, 2007, 10:00 AM

a buddy has a Taurus .38 revolver that is exceptionally accurate and absolutely reliable, my .22 revolver is very reliable but has just 'plinking' accuracy, mo'beverage can' suppose you would say.

rantingredneck · October 23, 2007, 10:01 AM

......and was kinda pleased with the accuracy, ergo's and such. Fit and finish overall was good, had a nice deep black bluing that seemed pretty durable, but showed fingerprints pretty bad because it was very shiny. The internal finishes (around the firing pin and such) looked kinda rough, but really who cares so much about that? not me personally, but others may disagree.

I never put a lot of rounds through the weapon (less than 100 rounds or so) but it went bang every time. I ended up trading it for a Ruger P97DC at a gunshow a couple months back. I'm more of a Ruger auto guy than a Taurus revo guy. Go figure.......

jimcorbin · October 23, 2007, 10:12 AM

I love my 24/7 40 cal!! Thousands of rounds through it and NO PROBLEMS!!! Same with my 357 Gaucho! I guess I should by a lottery ticket since I am the only lucky person on earth to own 2 functioning Taurus handguns

!!!

prairieviper · October 23, 2007, 10:31 AM

I owned a Taurus 92 once like ranburr described and found it to be a nice gun. I agree with Avenger about price not being the primary concern when buying a firearm but it is certainly an important factor for most of us. Spending the most money does not always get you the best bang for your buck.

Mark Milton · October 23, 2007, 10:32 AM

My Taurus CIA is better than my Smith model 60 was. Better fit, better finish, better trigger pull, and it has a front locking yoke mount...

A friend of mine in LE recently purchased a Taurus .357 snubby. He was going to purchase a Smith 66 and when he compared the two, he went with the Taurus Titanium model.
Years ago in Kentucky it was not uncommon to see cops carrying Taurus model 66s on duty and their snubby model 85 as backups.
I think the reality and the intention of the thread are worlds apart.

Based on my own real life experiences, I would pack a Taurus any day over a Sig. I have yet to see a cracked frame on a Taurus, a spring problem, etc...
Every maker lets loose a lemon and one bad apple says nothing about the rest of the barrell.

prairieviper · October 23, 2007, 10:40 AM

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Based on my own real life experiences, I would pack a Taurus any day over a Sig.

I wouldn't go quite that far.

ZeSpectre · October 23, 2007, 10:58 AM

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Every maker lets loose a lemon and one bad apple says nothing about the rest of the barrel.

Posted before, I'll post again.
My firearms...
Taurus PT-140 (2'nd gen) DAO - Absolutely flawless for over 600 rounds.
Taurus PT-1911 - Absolutely flawless after a 100 round "break in" period.
aaaand my cowboy action pistols...(NOTE these guns only ever had super mild "cowboy .38 special" loads run through them, low stress)
Taurus Gaucho SAA #1 - Random light strikes. Sold it.
Taurus Gaucho SAA #2 - Flawless for over 600 rounds then developed a -slight- "trigger slap". Sold it.
Taurus Gaucho SAA #3 - Good for 200 rounds, developed a BAD "trigger slap" and then started in with light strikes. Sold it.

My friend's firearms...
Taurus Gaucho SAA #1 - Trigger slap (he sold it)
Taurus Gaucho SAA #2 - Light strikes (he sold it)
Taurus PT-745 - Flawless but he sold it to buy the larger capacity PT-145.
Taurus PT-145 - Spring separated and came out front slide at 120 rounds. Took Taurus THREE MONTHS to send him a damned spring. Pistol still was odd about going fully into battery. (he sold it)

I'm not talking "hearsay", I'm talking about guns I've owned and/or handled and see firsthand. This is a HORRIBLE track record and I'm personally pretty much done with Taurus.

Admittedly, I'm keeping the PT-1911 "just because". But it's only a range gun and I'm not depending on it for competition or SD or anything important.

Everything else is gone or going. I have pistols I trust more and Taurus has seriously FAILED to give me confidence in either their products or their customer service.

Majic · October 23, 2007, 11:05 AM

Well others have shown the extent of your knowledge so instead of general whining why not specifically say what you didn't like about the fit, finish reliability, and customer service with the taurus products you owned?

October 22, 2007, 08:18 PM	#6
Benzene Junior member Join Date: January 27, 2005 Posts: 384	My Taurus handguns They include the PT145 MillPro and the 608 {8-round .357 magnum revolver}. I have had ZERO problem with both of them. Such criteria like "fit and finish", resale value...aren't these relative terms? I haven't so far bought any gun with a view to "resell" it.

October 22, 2007, 10:02 PM	#11
joab Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Orl Fla Posts: 3,254	As would the Singapore police force __________________ Joab the Bugman Founding member- Lords of Pomposity It's a Yankee Doodle thing

October 22, 2007, 10:13 PM	#12
Redneck with a 40 Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2006 Posts: 336	I like Taurus I have a taurus tracker 357 mag and a taurus mil-pro 40, both have been excellent guns and offer tremendous bang for the buck. 2000+ rounds out of my taurus mil-pro, zero failures, surprisingly accurate, great fit and finish, I would say this gun rivals my XD. I would definitely buy another one, for $350, I think its a great value. My tracker 357, same thing, very accurate, comfortable to shoot, 7 shot cylinder, ported barrel, its a great range gun/field gun, my primary uses for it. This gun has very tight lock-up and just has a good, solid feel to it. I take the op's statement with a grain of salt, my experience with Taurus has been excellent.

October 23, 2007, 03:30 AM	#14
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	it seams to me that they put the effort into their flagship stuff, especially the autos. it's like the new guys get stuck on stuff like the 605 while the guys that are good at their jobs get moved to the raging bull or 24/7. __________________ I don't collect guns, I accumulate them.

October 23, 2007, 09:54 AM	#17
.38Catt Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2006 Posts: 255	And...? Avenger: Just curious, what is your motivation for this post? .38Catt

October 22, 2007, 06:51 PM	#1
Avenger11 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2007 Posts: 311	Get real on Taurus quality! Yes, I admit that I'm not fond of Taurus products. Owned a few and really tried to like them but the fit, finish, reliability and customer service is severely lacking. Pricing should not be the primary consideration when buying a handgun, in fact perhaps it should be the last thing. To my knowledge, Taurus does not meet any military or law enforcement standards, nor, are they used for such. They have been somewhat innovative in design, but failing in quality.

October 22, 2007, 07:10 PM	#2
BigEd63 Member Join Date: October 10, 2005 Posts: 77	I tend to agree. The only Taurus product I owned was that .22LR 9 shooter it was not a bad gun for a plinker. After I fixed it so it would fire as the hammer pad was too thick and could not impart enough force for the firing pin to work right through the transfer bar. I do not even know how the thing made it past final inspection and test. I do have 2 freinds that simply love their Taurus handguns but they hardly ever shoot them. Another had one of their compact polymere framed 9's kaboom on him. They replaced it and he sold the new replacment. YMMV

October 22, 2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	and on the other hand, I have put a lot of rounds down range with several Taurus handguns, carried them for CCW duty for years, and have never had a problem. Go figure! My newest Taurus, a snubby Titanium 85 MULTI in .38 special is very light weight, carries in the pocket all day long, is reliable and accurate. Who could ask for anything more? __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

October 22, 2007, 07:54 PM	#4
G-Cym Junior member Join Date: September 27, 2006 Posts: 366	I've got a Taurus Millennium Pro PT140, and I've yet to have a single malfunction after about 600 rounds so far. I trust it with my life.

October 22, 2007, 08:26 PM	#7
jakeswensonmt Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2006 Location: Western Montana Posts: 913	Taurus 24/7 pro 9mm: Reliablity: 100% Ergos: incredible Capacity: very high Features: great Accuracy: very bad If accuracy is not on your wish list, you will like this gun. Otherwise...

October 22, 2007, 08:33 PM	#8
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	Owned a Taurus revolver once that had an irreperable flaw back 20 some years ago. Went to the pawnshop for 60$ so I lost 140$. But have owned a 92 type auto of theirs since then and while it was not quite as sharp in some details as the Beretta, I thought it was a pretty good gun for the price(used) and no problems with it at all. Might get another if the price was right. I do think the Brazilian police or military do use them, as they probably underbid all the imports easily!

October 22, 2007, 08:57 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	BigEd63 wrote, "I do not even know how the thing made it past final inspection and test." BigEd63 is making an assumption that may not be true, not only for Taurus but for many other modern makers as well. Jim

October 22, 2007, 10:42 PM	#13
Qwiks draw Junior member Join Date: August 14, 2006 Posts: 879	Well some people love flogging dead smelly carcasses and this is one of those times...so, let's flog away. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=224362 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=221204 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=250992 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=250771 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=248950 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=260132 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=261826 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=259598 http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=250794 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=1814.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=1087.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=898.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2419.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2328.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2407.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2152.0 http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=2572.0 And the tactical police/military business sections at the Brazil web site and Taurus USA are also figments according to "conventional wisdom". "Conventional wisdom" made up of lies,half truths,'witty repartee', slander, and such doesn't make it wise or true. Tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth. Don't the Socialists,Nazis,and Commies use that? Chairman Mao Tse Tung and his "Little Red Book" used that. Look what it did for China? Works there it can work here.... maybe.

October 23, 2007, 09:52 AM	#16
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 13, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,116	I've NEVER owned a Tauri handgun, and probably NEVER will; even tho' the PT 1911 and "The Judge" .45/.410 is gett'in some out-standing reviews.

October 23, 2007, 10:00 AM	#18
45Marlin carbine Junior member Join Date: January 26, 2007 Location: South-Western North Carolina Posts: 1,124	a buddy has a Taurus .38 revolver that is exceptionally accurate and absolutely reliable, my .22 revolver is very reliable but has just 'plinking' accuracy, mo'beverage can' suppose you would say.

October 23, 2007, 10:01 AM	#19
rantingredneck Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,728	I briefly owned an 817UL .38..... ......and was kinda pleased with the accuracy, ergo's and such. Fit and finish overall was good, had a nice deep black bluing that seemed pretty durable, but showed fingerprints pretty bad because it was very shiny. The internal finishes (around the firing pin and such) looked kinda rough, but really who cares so much about that? not me personally, but others may disagree. I never put a lot of rounds through the weapon (less than 100 rounds or so) but it went bang every time. I ended up trading it for a Ruger P97DC at a gunshow a couple months back. I'm more of a Ruger auto guy than a Taurus revo guy. Go figure.......

October 23, 2007, 10:12 AM	#20
jimcorbin Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 68	24/7 40 cal I love my 24/7 40 cal!! Thousands of rounds through it and NO PROBLEMS!!! Same with my 357 Gaucho! I guess I should by a lottery ticket since I am the only lucky person on earth to own 2 functioning Taurus handguns!!! __________________ "I'd like to spit some Beechnut in that dude's eye, and shoot him with my ol' 45"

October 23, 2007, 10:31 AM	#21
prairieviper Member Join Date: October 8, 2007 Location: Central Illinois - Cornfields & Cows Posts: 88	I owned a Taurus 92 once like ranburr described and found it to be a nice gun. I agree with Avenger about price not being the primary concern when buying a firearm but it is certainly an important factor for most of us. Spending the most money does not always get you the best bang for your buck. __________________ "Don't Tread On Me."

October 23, 2007, 10:32 AM	#22
Mark Milton Junior member Join Date: January 30, 2006 Posts: 504	My Taurus CIA is better than my Smith model 60 was. Better fit, better finish, better trigger pull, and it has a front locking yoke mount... A friend of mine in LE recently purchased a Taurus .357 snubby. He was going to purchase a Smith 66 and when he compared the two, he went with the Taurus Titanium model. Years ago in Kentucky it was not uncommon to see cops carrying Taurus model 66s on duty and their snubby model 85 as backups. I think the reality and the intention of the thread are worlds apart. Based on my own real life experiences, I would pack a Taurus any day over a Sig. I have yet to see a cracked frame on a Taurus, a spring problem, etc... Every maker lets loose a lemon and one bad apple says nothing about the rest of the barrell.

October 23, 2007, 11:05 AM	#25
Majic Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2004 Posts: 3,888	Well others have shown the extent of your knowledge so instead of general whining why not specifically say what you didn't like about the fit, finish reliability, and customer service with the taurus products you owned?