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January 11, 2008, 09:31 PM | #76 | |
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Also heard two cops at the gun store discussing a "raid" on a trailer where the startled p*** ant heard his door break on a no knock and picked up a pellet pistol (dumb p*** ant at that). Luckily for said p*** ant said officers marksmanship was on par with their street smarts, he was hit in the femur and shoulder at range of less than 10'. He will survive, less than a quarter ounce of coke and a weapon (the pellet pistol) from this daring raid. Their discussion matched the write up in the local paper. And check out this story of bravery and courage ..... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=59616 And yes, I have kicked in a door or two. Once to recover a skip in West Philly at OdarkThirty on 7OCT87. Once working in public housing in D.C. two pre teen girls were in a vacant apartment used by the local crew as a gang clubhouse. Both times I was solo. The skip was previously given the chance to do it the easy way. The kids parents were very pleased that their daughters were removed from that apartment before the gang members found them there. I can be proud of my actions on the occasions when I came through the door by taking it off the hinges suddenly. Would not be able to say the same if involved in any of the other incidents mentioned above, or what happened to Spookboy. Nobody is faulting officials for exercising good care and using appropriate force. By your screen name you seem to be in the trade. You have to know that not every raid by every organization is warranted. If you are in the trade and do not believe that exuberance occurs we can't help you. |
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January 11, 2008, 09:44 PM | #77 |
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Steel Core I totally sympathize with your sentiments about not wanting to be victimized by heavy handed government police tactics.
All I'll say is that I think we'd all agree that there is an obvious role for SWAT type police squads, but also that LE agencies ought to really take such SWAT actions, and the planning associated therewith extremely seriously, and be religious about rock solid intelligence, and be extremely judicious when they unleash such paramilitary units upon the public. |
January 12, 2008, 12:03 AM | #78 | ||
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If you don't like the drug laws, write your Congressman. LEO's enforce the laws on the books, they don't make them. Quote:
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January 12, 2008, 12:36 AM | #79 | |||
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As to the need for the raid and the obvious misconduct and lies during and after it (including blatant perjury by ATF officials), you might want to watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement. It contains plenty of real-time footage that makes it quite unambiguous who the real sickos were in that incident. Quote:
Besides, why should anyone have to beg another man (or woman) for the natural right to do as he pleases with his own body and health? Drug laws wrongly deny that right. By the logic on which they're based, people could be thrown in prison for drinking too much, eating too much, or not exercising. (I do believe it should remain illegal to provide drugs to minors, though, or to operate a car while under the influence and so forth.) I don't use or sell drugs, but there are other unconstitutional and tyrannical laws on the books that I reserve the right to break as I see fit. Since I have no desire to harm innocent people or their property, my conscience is clear. Quote:
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January 12, 2008, 12:39 AM | #80 |
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some pretty wacked out people here!! As for David Koresh when you are getting hand grenades via UPS there is a problem. I am glad they raided his compound. Who needs hand grenades. but oh yes they were planted i forgot. there is a conspiracy behind every tree no wait thats paranoia
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January 12, 2008, 12:50 AM | #81 |
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Never mind...
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January 12, 2008, 03:52 AM | #82 |
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I would think it would be obvious by looking at vehicles. In my city, the police cars stand out. If I looked out the door or window and saw several police officers, as well as a couple of police cars, I think it would be safe to assume that they are the police.
If I don't see police cars, then I'll get suspicious. |
January 12, 2008, 09:02 AM | #83 | |
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I wouldnt mind having a few...I guess that makes me whack? |
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January 12, 2008, 01:05 PM | #84 |
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Well, it took longer for this to go south than I thought it would, but go south it did.
This is tactics and training, not legal & political. We went from discerning real cops serving a search warrant to debating the merits of same, as usually happens when the subject of search warrants comes up. And of course, the inevitable Waco had to come up. So much for staying on topic. Closed.
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