1st impression: Ketlec sub 2000 .40

mr.b · February 7, 2008, 05:47 PM

Well, I've been wanting a small carbine rifle for a little while now. I went and looked at the Beretta storm, and the Keltec sub-2k.

I liked the look of the Storm, but the magazine compatability between the Keltec and my Glock 22 won me over so I bought the Keltec.
(the Storm being nearly 3 times the cost had nothing to do with it.... I swear

)

So today I took it over to an indoor range. My expectations for this gun werent much. I mean, the front sight is basically a scrap of Dayglo wedged into a small ghost ring looking front sight. The rear sight is a peep hole that folds down when the gun does.

I figured I'd be lucky to place 10 rounds on a target at all. (I was using those 6" Shoot n' See targets at 50 ft for my first set.)

First shot, bang... dead center. I'm not using a rifle stand, I'm standing up holding this incredibly awkward gun in an unfamiliar shooting position, pointing a 1/8" wide strip of orange plastic at a target, and pulling on a painfully sharp (still covered in mold flash) trigger.

First shot ever through this gun? No way I just did that.

I thought someone was kidding me. Did someone on a different lane shoot my target to mess with my head? Nope.

Shot after shot grouped extremely well. The first magazine all stayed within 2" and as stated above, I'm just holding the rifle in a standing position, and I'm not all that great of a shot with a rifle in this position (yet)

I rolled a new target out to 100ft (max at our indoor range) and still did very well all things considered. I stayed inside of 4 inches for 30 or so shots (two magazines) before wavering off target mainly due to shoulder fatigue.

All in all, I put around 150 rounds through the gun today, and for a short little rifle, with handgun ammo and a less than stellar shooter holding the gun, I was pretty impressed. I'd like a better sighting system on the gun, but I can't fault the one they have, it looks tacky, but it definataly worked. I'd bet with a bench and a scope I could get this thing to group well at 100 yds or maybe more.

If you want an inexpensive carbine that folds in half, takes Glock mags (I think they make them for other gun compatability as well) an shoots pretty darn good right out of the box, go have a look at one of these Keltec's.

Diesel1 · February 7, 2008, 06:04 PM

Good range report, I have been looking at these lately. I have always liked the pistol caliber carbines. I always thought the Marlin camp carbines were interesting.

Mosin44az · February 8, 2008, 12:12 AM

Interesting, the price is certainly right. Let us know how it holds up. My best Kel-tec pistols were only good to 300 rounds before they started malfunctioning.

Dave85 · February 8, 2008, 12:51 AM

A post on the .327 Mag. got me thinking again about how I really should have a good pistol/carbine combo in a shared caliber. The Keltec is on my list of guns to consider.

chris in va · February 8, 2008, 05:05 PM

If I had to do it over again, I'd probably get the KelTec instead of the HiPoint. That folding feature is just too darn cool plus you can use REAL mags.

February 7, 2008, 05:47 PM	#1
mr.b Junior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Location: Cocoa, Fl Posts: 8	1st impression: Ketlec sub 2000 .40 Well, I've been wanting a small carbine rifle for a little while now. I went and looked at the Beretta storm, and the Keltec sub-2k. I liked the look of the Storm, but the magazine compatability between the Keltec and my Glock 22 won me over so I bought the Keltec. (the Storm being nearly 3 times the cost had nothing to do with it.... I swear ) So today I took it over to an indoor range. My expectations for this gun werent much. I mean, the front sight is basically a scrap of Dayglo wedged into a small ghost ring looking front sight. The rear sight is a peep hole that folds down when the gun does. I figured I'd be lucky to place 10 rounds on a target at all. (I was using those 6" Shoot n' See targets at 50 ft for my first set.) First shot, bang... dead center. I'm not using a rifle stand, I'm standing up holding this incredibly awkward gun in an unfamiliar shooting position, pointing a 1/8" wide strip of orange plastic at a target, and pulling on a painfully sharp (still covered in mold flash) trigger. First shot ever through this gun? No way I just did that. I thought someone was kidding me. Did someone on a different lane shoot my target to mess with my head? Nope. Shot after shot grouped extremely well. The first magazine all stayed within 2" and as stated above, I'm just holding the rifle in a standing position, and I'm not all that great of a shot with a rifle in this position (yet) I rolled a new target out to 100ft (max at our indoor range) and still did very well all things considered. I stayed inside of 4 inches for 30 or so shots (two magazines) before wavering off target mainly due to shoulder fatigue. All in all, I put around 150 rounds through the gun today, and for a short little rifle, with handgun ammo and a less than stellar shooter holding the gun, I was pretty impressed. I'd like a better sighting system on the gun, but I can't fault the one they have, it looks tacky, but it definataly worked. I'd bet with a bench and a scope I could get this thing to group well at 100 yds or maybe more. If you want an inexpensive carbine that folds in half, takes Glock mags (I think they make them for other gun compatability as well) an shoots pretty darn good right out of the box, go have a look at one of these Keltec's.

February 7, 2008, 06:04 PM	#2
Diesel1 Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2006 Location: NH Live Free or Die Posts: 297	Good range report, I have been looking at these lately. I have always liked the pistol caliber carbines. I always thought the Marlin camp carbines were interesting. __________________ "NRA members are burdened with supporting and defending the rights of about 95% of America's gun owners" http://www.savetheguns.com/ Anti gun Democrats are not the problem, the laziness and apathy of the common gun owner is.

February 8, 2008, 12:51 AM	#4
Dave85 Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,421	Thanks for the report A post on the .327 Mag. got me thinking again about how I really should have a good pistol/carbine combo in a shared caliber. The Keltec is on my list of guns to consider. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" --commonly misattributed to, and most likely not, Benjamin Franklin

February 8, 2008, 12:12 AM	#3
Mosin44az Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 2,585	Interesting, the price is certainly right. Let us know how it holds up. My best Kel-tec pistols were only good to 300 rounds before they started malfunctioning.

February 8, 2008, 05:05 PM	#5
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	If I had to do it over again, I'd probably get the KelTec instead of the HiPoint. That folding feature is just too darn cool plus you can use REAL mags.