Otis "Life Liner" Nano Ceramic Bore Liner - Page 2

surg_res · July 2, 2008, 08:08 PM

Is it harmful to Condors?

hogdogs · July 2, 2008, 08:09 PM

If it doesn't cause lapping wear I would try it.... I sent him an email. I will let ya'll know if it is slickery if'n I get a sample...
Brent

ZeSpectre · July 2, 2008, 08:11 PM

got my popcorn out and I'm waiting for the movie to start <grin>.

swsurgeon · July 3, 2008, 12:38 PM

Chris,

Thanks for your offer. I e-mailed my mailing address to your Nanolube e-mail account.

I appreciate the test opportunity.

NanoLube · July 3, 2008, 07:06 PM

SW,

Yours and many others shipped today.

Have a safe 4th,

Chris

swsurgeon · July 3, 2008, 10:41 PM

Thanks Chris! Very kind of you.

I apologize that I won't be able to report back for a few weeks. I'm heading to AK for a salmon fishing trip. After that, I plan to start some rifle work in preparation for hunting season and I'll try your sample.

**4V50 Gary** · July 3, 2008, 11:24 PM

Hey gang! For those who receive the Life Liner sample, do a before and after test for us. Start with a clean bore. Shot five, five-shot groups. Clean the gun and apply Life Liner. Shot another five, five-shot group with the same ammo. Report the results and post pics.

hogdogs · July 3, 2008, 11:38 PM

Gary, I will likely not do alot to the bore. If I had a chrony I would to see if any changes there. I don't shoot much copper jacketed ammo until hunting season and than it is a box or 2 than one round per deer. I will however be testing it on actions with head to head comparisons from the lubes I currently use. I am also going to phone the fella to find some other tests and uses to prove to myself it is superior to mine. I see possibility in it but need proof.
Brent

NanoLube · July 4, 2008, 12:06 AM

Why spend $80 to treat one barrel,, when a $22 bottle of NanoLube will treat your barrel, whole gun and a dozen others for one low price?

Sidetracked · July 4, 2008, 12:15 AM

I plan to test on the resistance of slide to frame contact and striker movement on a Taurus PT-138; if I receive it within the next few days.

If I receive the sample more than about 5 days from now, the test will have to be postponed until after an upcoming move. But... I will have access to the rest of my firearms at that time, and can test many more platforms, as well as whether or not it treats bores.

Shipping time will determine the test firearm(s).

Oh, we may want the non-Otis portion of the thread broken off and turned into its own thread by a moderator. If that can happen, we'll be able to post our tests here, and not completely hi-jack the thread. (Yea, I know... it's too late, but the original thread may continue on its own.)

Yithian · July 4, 2008, 01:26 AM

I eagerly await your test sample, Chris.
The show you did for a local news station in Tennessee, was fun to watch too.

http://www.southernwoodsandwaters.com/show.htm

ATTT is always complaining about the terrible stock trigger on his AR.
Too much creep and crawl.
I hope there is enough to go around.

A safe and happy 4th to you too.

Jim Watson · July 7, 2008, 04:32 PM

Nanolube Skeptic's Sample arrived today. I will look at some guns for trials.

azredhawk44 · July 7, 2008, 05:24 PM

You guys are braver than I am... I wouldn't go and put a bunch of synthetic nano-diamonds (

) in the bore of any of my guns at 50K PSI... even my beater Mosin Nagant.

MisterWilson · July 7, 2008, 05:38 PM

Hell, if you've got any left, I'll try it.

I'll take a rifle or two out to the range, shoot a few groups with it, clean the bore real well, apply your snake oil™ and report the results.

Trust, then verify.

Email sent.

IZinterrogator · July 7, 2008, 08:16 PM

When I see a lube advertised with synthetic diamonds in it, the first thought that comes to mind is that the slogan must fall along these lines...

"Who needs lands or grooves?"

"Because smoothbore shotguns have a higher hit percentage"

"When you need max velocity, remember that rifling causes more drag"

JustDreadful · July 7, 2008, 09:31 PM

Quote:

The particles are described as "sub-atomic".

So the Swiss can stop piddling around with that Hadron doohickey, then?

NanoLube · July 7, 2008, 09:55 PM

(Nanolube Skeptic's Sample arrived today. I will look at some guns for trials.)

For starters, feel the action of a bolt - then apply one drop and smear it around - then cycle the bolt a few times. You will feel it break free and operate smoother than you ever thought possible. If you have an AR15 - treat the friction points of the BCG and cycle it a few times, you will see.

A customer treated the bolt of his Barrett 50 and said a few drops and it felt like he was pulling back the bolt of a 22cal - it works that good.

BTW, the nanodiamonds protect metal from wear. They are so small - they embed into the metal providing surface protection and sustain over 50K PSI, the starting point of most of our ASTM testing. With both surfaces coated with diamond - both surfaces resist wear. It is like getting a DLC finish for a fifty cents instead of hundreds of dollars.

hogdogs · July 7, 2008, 10:01 PM

So will it also make a big difference in the action of my mossberg 500 pump?
I will not reply to either positive or negative comments on this product until I have used the sample extensively! Than it is GO/NO GO commentary of findings... Than no money could get me to lie for a substandard product.
Brent

MisterWilson · July 7, 2008, 11:44 PM

I just received an email from Mr. Lube asking for my shipping info.

Hopefully I can get out to the range in the next week and we shall see what there is to be seen.

Sidetracked · July 8, 2008, 12:57 AM

Received my sample today.
I believe my envelope included the 15mL bottle, with about 5-6mL contained inside. Hopefully this will be enough for thorough testing.

The included paperwork advertised this 'formula' as being appropriate for "Anything That Moves".
So, I may try some non-gun-related applications if I have enough left over.

I'll post as soon as I have some kind of results.

MisterWilson · July 8, 2008, 01:11 AM

Also, note that the stuff advertised by Otis isn't the same stuff, so it doesn't carry the same "up to 80% increased accuracy" advertisement.

I'm going to compare it to some machine-gunner's lube sent from LaRue and we'll see how the accuracy & general lubricity is changed. Pictures of groups and general impressions to follow...

I also spoke to Mr. Lube on the phone and told him to stop saying that this stuff is "liquid diamond nano-lube", even if it is. I think he ought to name it something simple, such as "Snake Oil", so people aren't as put off by the shenanigan-nature of it's marketing. At least they'll know what they're getting.

NanoLube · July 8, 2008, 08:00 AM

The NanoLube TM samples I have sent to forum members retail at $12.50 and are 1.5 ml. Sure I could put the same amount of Nanomaterial in a 7ml size, and make it look like a better deal - but I don't sell oil, I just use a little as a carrier. The 1.5ml is enough to fully treat over 10 guns - so use it sparingly.

Sizes - .75ml. 1.5ml, 3ml & 7ml
price $7.50 - $37.50

Chris Arnold
NanoLube, Inc.
630-706-1250

(Received my sample today.
I believe my envelope included the 15mL bottle, with about 5-6mL contained inside. Hopefully this will be enough for thorough testing.)

cracked butt · July 8, 2008, 02:38 PM

Here's another company on the bore coating snakeoil bandwagon: http://www.ultracoatingsinc.com/products.html

NanoLube · July 10, 2008, 09:28 PM

If anyone would like to get away from the ceramic treatment thread, and move the reporting over to "NanoLube Test Results" would be better.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...52#post2937552

Ruger4570 · July 10, 2008, 10:24 PM

I always thought Diamonds were crystalyne as opposed to being "round" I have to ask my neices husband that studied and is working in Nano technology both here and of late in Sweeden.

July 2, 2008, 08:08 PM	#26
surg_res Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2005 Location: Texas, 5th GEN! Posts: 621	Is it harmful to Condors? __________________ ----

July 3, 2008, 11:24 PM	#32
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,840	Hey gang! For those who receive the Life Liner sample, do a before and after test for us. Start with a clean bore. Shot five, five-shot groups. Clean the gun and apply Life Liner. Shot another five, five-shot group with the same ammo. Report the results and post pics. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

July 4, 2008, 12:15 AM	#35
Sidetracked Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2008 Location: Henrietta, FL Posts: 306	I plan to test on the resistance of slide to frame contact and striker movement on a Taurus PT-138; if I receive it within the next few days. If I receive the sample more than about 5 days from now, the test will have to be postponed until after an upcoming move. But... I will have access to the rest of my firearms at that time, and can test many more platforms, as well as whether or not it treats bores. Shipping time will determine the test firearm(s). Oh, we may want the non-Otis portion of the thread broken off and turned into its own thread by a moderator. If that can happen, we'll be able to post our tests here, and not completely hi-jack the thread. (Yea, I know... it's too late, but the original thread may continue on its own.) __________________ Feel free to disagree with my opinion. -I do it all the time.

July 4, 2008, 01:26 AM	#36
Yithian Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 719	I eagerly await your test sample, Chris. The show you did for a local news station in Tennessee, was fun to watch too. http://www.southernwoodsandwaters.com/show.htm ATTT is always complaining about the terrible stock trigger on his AR. Too much creep and crawl. I hope there is enough to go around. A safe and happy 4th to you too. __________________ Pondering the differences, terminally, between the V-Max and the A-Max.

July 7, 2008, 05:24 PM	#38
azredhawk44 Junior member Join Date: September 28, 2005 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,465	You guys are braver than I am... I wouldn't go and put a bunch of synthetic nano-diamonds () in the bore of any of my guns at 50K PSI... even my beater Mosin Nagant.

July 2, 2008, 08:09 PM	#27
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	If it doesn't cause lapping wear I would try it.... I sent him an email. I will let ya'll know if it is slickery if'n I get a sample... Brent

July 2, 2008, 08:11 PM	#28
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	got my popcorn out and I'm waiting for the movie to start <grin>.

July 3, 2008, 12:38 PM	#29
swsurgeon Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2001 Location: Smith Valley, Nevada Posts: 179	Chris, Thanks for your offer. I e-mailed my mailing address to your Nanolube e-mail account. I appreciate the test opportunity.

July 3, 2008, 07:06 PM	#30
NanoLube Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 53	SW, Yours and many others shipped today. Have a safe 4th, Chris

July 3, 2008, 10:41 PM	#31
swsurgeon Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2001 Location: Smith Valley, Nevada Posts: 179	Thanks Chris! Very kind of you. I apologize that I won't be able to report back for a few weeks. I'm heading to AK for a salmon fishing trip. After that, I plan to start some rifle work in preparation for hunting season and I'll try your sample.

July 3, 2008, 11:38 PM	#33
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Gary, I will likely not do alot to the bore. If I had a chrony I would to see if any changes there. I don't shoot much copper jacketed ammo until hunting season and than it is a box or 2 than one round per deer. I will however be testing it on actions with head to head comparisons from the lubes I currently use. I am also going to phone the fella to find some other tests and uses to prove to myself it is superior to mine. I see possibility in it but need proof. Brent

July 4, 2008, 12:06 AM	#34
NanoLube Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 53	Why spend $80 to treat one barrel,, when a $22 bottle of NanoLube will treat your barrel, whole gun and a dozen others for one low price?

July 7, 2008, 04:32 PM	#37
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Nanolube Skeptic's Sample arrived today. I will look at some guns for trials.

July 7, 2008, 05:38 PM	#39
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	Hell, if you've got any left, I'll try it. I'll take a rifle or two out to the range, shoot a few groups with it, clean the bore real well, apply your snake oil™ and report the results. Trust, then verify. Email sent.

July 7, 2008, 08:16 PM	#40
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,457	When I see a lube advertised with synthetic diamonds in it, the first thought that comes to mind is that the slogan must fall along these lines... "Who needs lands or grooves?" "Because smoothbore shotguns have a higher hit percentage" "When you need max velocity, remember that rifling causes more drag" __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

July 7, 2008, 09:55 PM	#42
NanoLube Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 53	(Nanolube Skeptic's Sample arrived today. I will look at some guns for trials.) For starters, feel the action of a bolt - then apply one drop and smear it around - then cycle the bolt a few times. You will feel it break free and operate smoother than you ever thought possible. If you have an AR15 - treat the friction points of the BCG and cycle it a few times, you will see. A customer treated the bolt of his Barrett 50 and said a few drops and it felt like he was pulling back the bolt of a 22cal - it works that good. BTW, the nanodiamonds protect metal from wear. They are so small - they embed into the metal providing surface protection and sustain over 50K PSI, the starting point of most of our ASTM testing. With both surfaces coated with diamond - both surfaces resist wear. It is like getting a DLC finish for a fifty cents instead of hundreds of dollars.

July 7, 2008, 10:01 PM	#43
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	So will it also make a big difference in the action of my mossberg 500 pump? I will not reply to either positive or negative comments on this product until I have used the sample extensively! Than it is GO/NO GO commentary of findings... Than no money could get me to lie for a substandard product. Brent

July 7, 2008, 11:44 PM	#44
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	I just received an email from Mr. Lube asking for my shipping info. Hopefully I can get out to the range in the next week and we shall see what there is to be seen.

July 8, 2008, 12:57 AM	#45
Sidetracked Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2008 Location: Henrietta, FL Posts: 306	Received my sample today. I believe my envelope included the 15mL bottle, with about 5-6mL contained inside. Hopefully this will be enough for thorough testing. The included paperwork advertised this 'formula' as being appropriate for "Anything That Moves". So, I may try some non-gun-related applications if I have enough left over. I'll post as soon as I have some kind of results. __________________ Feel free to disagree with my opinion. -I do it all the time.

July 8, 2008, 01:11 AM	#46
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	Also, note that the stuff advertised by Otis isn't the same stuff, so it doesn't carry the same "up to 80% increased accuracy" advertisement. I'm going to compare it to some machine-gunner's lube sent from LaRue and we'll see how the accuracy & general lubricity is changed. Pictures of groups and general impressions to follow... I also spoke to Mr. Lube on the phone and told him to stop saying that this stuff is "liquid diamond nano-lube", even if it is. I think he ought to name it something simple, such as "Snake Oil", so people aren't as put off by the shenanigan-nature of it's marketing. At least they'll know what they're getting.

July 8, 2008, 08:00 AM	#47
NanoLube Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 53	The NanoLube TM samples I have sent to forum members retail at $12.50 and are 1.5 ml. Sure I could put the same amount of Nanomaterial in a 7ml size, and make it look like a better deal - but I don't sell oil, I just use a little as a carrier. The 1.5ml is enough to fully treat over 10 guns - so use it sparingly. Sizes - .75ml. 1.5ml, 3ml & 7ml price $7.50 - $37.50 Chris Arnold NanoLube, Inc. 630-706-1250 (Received my sample today. I believe my envelope included the 15mL bottle, with about 5-6mL contained inside. Hopefully this will be enough for thorough testing.)

July 8, 2008, 02:38 PM	#48
cracked butt Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2001 Location: southeastern wisconsin Posts: 537	Here's another company on the bore coating snakeoil bandwagon: http://www.ultracoatingsinc.com/products.html

July 10, 2008, 09:28 PM	#49
NanoLube Member Join Date: March 15, 2008 Posts: 53	NanoLube test results If anyone would like to get away from the ceramic treatment thread, and move the reporting over to "NanoLube Test Results" would be better. http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...52#post2937552 Last edited by NanoLube; July 10, 2008 at 09:36 PM. Reason: new link

July 10, 2008, 10:24 PM	#50
Ruger4570 Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 2,136	I always thought Diamonds were crystalyne as opposed to being "round" I have to ask my neices husband that studied and is working in Nano technology both here and of late in Sweeden.