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April 10, 2008, 01:02 PM | #1 | |
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What a liberal really thinks of your right to conceal carry
In Georgia, our legislature just passed a bill (HB89) which will allow us the additional right to carry concealed in a restaurant which serves alcohol, to conceal carry on public transportation such as busses and subways, and in State parks. The anti-gunners are so angry that they were defeated in the legislature that they are frothing at the mouth.
The following blog article is an example of the kind of outrageous attacks we have to defend against here in our media while waiting for the Governor to sign the bill into law. They use untruths and scare tactics peppered in with some name calling against legal permit holders. If you have time, make a comment at the following link after you read the article. http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/sha..._and_load.html Quote:
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So he admits that this law won't really affect anything either way (and statistically it probably won't) but is against it ... why? So if it has no effect and passing this law "pays homage to a rambo mentality," then does resisting it pay a homage to the "but guns are just evil because I don't like them mentality?"
And we know from many, many public and published stories that for some percentage of people, however small, having a firearm at the right time nad right place HAS saved their life. So if there are no negatives to the law, and it allows even a few people to be empowered to at least have a chance to save their lives or those of others, why fight it? I just don't get the anti-mentality.
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The anti mentality is all about control. Control over the law-abiding more than control over crimminals.
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I think he's just one robbery away from agreeing with us instead.
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April 10, 2008, 01:46 PM | #5 |
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Guy does make some valid points that are borne out by some posts on this Board...although frankly, I have seen a slow retreat of the Rambo mentality here.
I would note that the general maturity level shown by the posters here, and the lack of overall enthusiasm for Ramboness has made this, IMHO, the most respected general gun forum on the net. WildgratuitousobservationAlaska ™ |
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This story was also posted on a progressive news site, common dreams. While I disagree with much on there, I try to read news from many different sources and the AP to come to my own conclusions. You will note my comments as 'copenhagen'
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/10/8193/
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While I can't argue that "Rambo" types don't exist, I think he is referring to a stereo type that rarely exists. Most CCW holders, and a majority of the people who post here, are mature and law abiding people. Most of us don't look at guns as a way to feel safe or secure or powerful.
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He notes that of the 10,177 gun homicides only 195 of them were justified (aka self defense). Thats roughly 1.9%. I imagine that also happens to be roughly the same percentage of people who have a CCP.
Naturally because this number is so low and insignificant, we should just reduce it to zero and make all 10,177 deaths that of innocent people. Makes perfect sense. :barf: |
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IMO, "Digging" at the opposing side is what liberals do best. This article is simply an example of an unhappy liberal striking out like a pissed off high-school girl who didn't get her way.
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Do I CCW because I'm scared? You might as well ask ... Do I put my kids in child seats because I expect to have an accident? Do I have smoke detectors because I expect a fire? Do I have life insurance because I expect to die? Of course ... I have all of those things because of the unthinkable does happen, I want to have the best tools available to protect my family. I know that has a white suburbanite living and working where I do that chance of EVER getting assaulted is very, very low. But not zero. So why would I prepare for those other threats but not this one? I didn't CCW for the first 40 years of my life, and still don't all the time by any means. But if it doesn't hurt anyone and I want to do it ... why is he against me?
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I'd say there is a BIG difference From reading all the TRUTH off a forum and in real life! Geesh. He also does not say how many people were saved from harm without having to kill someone or even fire a shot!!
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I've seen it. I see it from the same guys who have 25lb AR-15s complete with nightvision radar powerd rocket launching tampon dispensors... If it wasn't for private citizens with firearms, he wouldn't have the freedom to write that. I think many antis forget things like that. Oh and why is he a liberal just because he is an anti? You know he could be conservative and hate guns, or you could be liberal and love guns. I don't know, but that lib vs con stuff annoys the crap out of me.
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Guys like Jay have never been on the sharp end and presume they understand everything. I understand very well the limits of police protection in response to the death threats I got for most of a year: exactly zip.
When I went river rafting in NM, the guides did a safety brief. If you got dumped from the raft, you were expected "to take an active part in your own rescue" to maximise the chances you could be pulled back in. They had never lost anyone, didn't want to start, but unless you helped, you might be the first one. I guess Jay would just drift along yelling "help". No desire to shoot anyone (okay, maybe Kim Jong Il or Robert Mugabe...). No desire for trouble. But trouble might desire me, against my will, and I don't know when or what kind of evil I might run into, despite my care and watchfulness. So I just got my renewed carry license and don't spend much time too far from a weapon. You only have the rights you can defend, and that is what "arms" and "keep" and "bear" have been about since the 1200's. Were evil passe, then self-defense would also. But evil surrounds us, unpredictably appearing in forms and at times we cannot control or anticipate with certainty. You can elect to hope your encounter will come out well, or be a part of your own rescue. If I wanted to be Rambo, I would run down to the local ghetto and find a shoot out. Since I try to avoid shoot-outs, even raised voices, what does that make me if I still carry? Still a Rambo, to this savant. He is too ignorant to appreciate his lack of knowlege.
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I posted a thread on here concerning a piece on NPR about the 2nd Amendment. A part of that piece that I found interesting was how Ms. Lithwick sounded upset that mostly Liberal scholars if my memory serves me, have as late been saying that yes indeed, the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. Me, I'll stay an Independent Constitutionalist. I have never registered for a party, and intend to remain as such.
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If you're not at least a little wary of the wide world, you're just not paying enough attention. Did you hear about the lady who got her car windows shot out because she beeped at someone who'd fallen asleep at the green light, for instance? Up in Manchester NH just a few days ago.
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But I have to keep reminding myself ... unless a true gun ban is put in place (zero tolerance for gun ownership, guns confiscated, etc.) then stupid people/Rambos will always be able to get one kind of gun or another. And it doesn't matter if you ban AR-15's or handguns because a hunting rifle is no less lethal. So anti-gun laws short of a total ban do nothing but disarm the honest people who could defend themselves or others. People who want to be Rambo and are on the edge will carry guns anyway. Before I joined the NRA, started arguing for the 2nd amendment, etc., CCW was just being considered in Colorado. I believed then, and still believe now, that you can be anti-gun and still be pro-CCW. Because why would you want to make sure that you and your fellow law-abiding civilians can't carry a weapon when the thugs can? If you're fighting for a ban on guns because you believe that too many people have guns, until the ban takes place wouldn't you at least want a gun to defend your own family? my .02 ...
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They can't even keep guns out of prisons, what makes you think they can keep them out of society at large? In the Philippines, they hand-craft (with hand tools) machine guns from blocks of steel and tubing in grass huts on muddy hillsides.
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Okay let me ask this question to keep the Rambo theme rolling (mainly because it is a problem with our culture) how many people that post Rambo type scenerios on the boards would/could do it in real life? It is easy sitting in your comfy living room to talk about how if the mad deranged killer burst into Applebees and started shooting you would burst from your booth and engage him because you are the sheepdog of society. It is very different when it happens for real. I don't know of any firearms training that prepares you for that. Now do I support a law like this? Yes I wish it would come to pass in NC. But if someone comes in the front door shooting I am going out the back, so why do I need a weapon? In case the back door it blocked with an accomplise.
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Personally, I have been shooting for over 10 years. Aside from being at a shooting range and seeing a few idiots every now and again, I have never once come across a person in public who was acting like a "Rambo". If this were honestly a "problem with our culture", then wouldn't it appear more often in our day to day lives? Anyone is free to subscribe the views of the very left-wing author of the article at the top of this thread, but I certainly think it is focusing on the wrong issue. Bad policy is born....often, from a lie which fosters a misconception. In the case of the article at the top, the lie is intentional, born out of contempt for others with a different view. Having lost overwhelmingly in the legislature, which represents the people of Georgia, the author resorts to a lie by stating that there is a prevalent problem with over-zealous concealed weapons holders in our society. This "lie" is intended to foster a misconception of ccw holders as mentally flawed and thus not trustworthy to carry weapons. It is a slick attempt at "fear-mongering". I'm sorry to see more than a few people in this thread get sucked in by this obviously common liberal tactic. IMO, these people are allowing themselves to be mis-directed by someone who is anti-gun. Changing direction..... Some people seem to not like the word liberal to be used to describe others. I use the word because the word exists in our culture to describe an ideology which is recognized in our society. If someone can think of another word to describe a person who wishes to expand government intrusion into the lives of the individual, I will be happy to hear it.
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To that type the sight of an armed person ruins their fantasy because they realize, even if only on a subconscious level) that if something went bad they would be helpless against that person and there probably isn't any cop close enough to save them. Then, as if to add insult to injury the person with the firearm didn't even bother to "go crazy" and probably ignored them completely so all of the stereotypes take a beating at the same time. Tear down someone's fantasy like that and you get denial, anger, vitriol, slander. We're talking about the same type of folks who dumb down school curriculum, and waste the potential of thousands of brilliant students, just to avoid embarrassing the mediocre and the slackers all in the name of "no child left behind". (Personally I rather see a slogan that says "as far as they can go"). |
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