Today I witnessed the magotts eating out the 2nd Amendment

John/az2 · October 25, 2000, 04:34 PM

I just got home from the most disturbing sight I have ever witnessed.

Earlier today I tried calling the gun dealer that I have known and purchsed from for 4 years now. The phone was busy for hours, and when I did get through all I got was his answering machine. Very unusual.

I drove over to his shop and found the parking lot jammed with unmarked, tinted windowed cars, along with an SUV pulling a Mesa City Police trailer.

The shop door was propped open, not usual. Three men were standing outside the door, one black, one oriental, one white. All had "ATF" stitched over their left breast side of their shirts.

I parked, got out and walked through the door as though I knew what I was doing. Inside I saw 10-12 more ATF maggots handling the guns, writing things down and pulling things off of the shelves.

"What are you doing in here?" the voice from behind me asked. It was the black agent.

"Where's Mike?" I asked, stunned.

"He's not here. What do you want?"

"I came by to pick up a gun. Is he alright?"

"He's fine. You can pick it up tomorrow."

"He'll be open then?"

"He should be," was the response.

Well, we'll see. You may have an inkling of what was going through my head... Were those ratbastards armed? But of course! Every one! Because some people are more equal than others!

I'll stop by tomorrow.

I can't tell you how LIVID I am right now!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

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TexasVet · October 25, 2000, 04:41 PM

Keep us posted, Brother.

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68-70
true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.

Gusgus · October 25, 2000, 06:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John/az2:

I can't tell you how LIVID I am right now!
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You have every right to be! Let us know what happens.

RickD · October 25, 2000, 06:35 PM

Which shop?

I assume you will be posting this on azrkba@asu.edu?

Rick

**Bud Helms** · October 25, 2000, 06:41 PM

Keep us posted, John.

Satanta · October 25, 2000, 08:18 PM

Tyeah...and this happened in AZ? Really strange. i found AZ to be one of the friemdliest gun states I've been in.

ditto on keeping us posted.

RickD · October 25, 2000, 11:22 PM

Since when would being in a gun-friendly state matter to the KGBATF?

Rick

John/az2 · October 25, 2000, 11:32 PM

Santana,

On this past Monday a new "Federal Court House" (read U.N.) was dedicated.

It appears that they are trying to get their (our) money's worth out of it.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

Tropical Z · October 26, 2000, 08:04 AM

The ATF is swarming with SS wanabees!

John/az2 · October 26, 2000, 01:11 PM

Evidently, he was not arrested, but they packed away his guns in barrels, and carted them off.

I've been trying to get ahold of him, but imagine he's trying to get things together to find out how he can (if they let...

...sorry, gotta stay calm... breathe in, breath out...

ahem... let him put his business back together...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.[/quote]

I can't write anymore, right now... gotta keep it together myself...

I know many of you have read this thread and chosen not to respond, but feel the darkness falling...

Fan the flames... pass the evidence far and wide... build the distrust against our dictatorial government... and one day all this will BITE THEM IN THE ASS!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

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scud · October 26, 2000, 01:21 PM

Sorry for the BS your friend has endured John, there really isn't much to say other then keep us posted and there are a lot of us that feel the same as you, the darkness is indeed falling.

dZ · October 26, 2000, 01:36 PM

me thinks the chains are being yanked to influence the Goreing of America.

Why not wait to pull an operation like this after the election?

Its not like the shop owner was going anywhere.

MikeK · October 26, 2000, 04:57 PM

John;

Keep us posted. I know a lawyer at the NRA who would like to get some more info. E-mail me if you don't want to post all of the Gorey details.

Thanks

John/az2 · October 26, 2000, 05:22 PM

Mike,

I need your e-mail in order to do that!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

Bogie · October 26, 2000, 05:31 PM

At any rate, they had to have told him SOMETHING before tossing everything in barrels and driving to the local dank and damp rusting area... Had he sold any firearms to obvious strawman purchasers, etc.?

Don't shoot me - just playing Devil's Advocate...

John/az2 · October 26, 2000, 05:48 PM

Yes, they accused him of that, but Mike is on the level.

I've know him for over 4 years.

And the ATF's reputation precedes them.

Need I say more?

This thread continued here: http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/fo...threadid=29861

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.!

See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

**TheBluesMan** · October 26, 2000, 09:05 PM

Discussion continues elsewhere, so I'll close this one.

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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website

October 25, 2000, 04:34 PM	#1
John/az2 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,754	I just got home from the most disturbing sight I have ever witnessed. Earlier today I tried calling the gun dealer that I have known and purchsed from for 4 years now. The phone was busy for hours, and when I did get through all I got was his answering machine. Very unusual. I drove over to his shop and found the parking lot jammed with unmarked, tinted windowed cars, along with an SUV pulling a Mesa City Police trailer. The shop door was propped open, not usual. Three men were standing outside the door, one black, one oriental, one white. All had "ATF" stitched over their left breast side of their shirts. I parked, got out and walked through the door as though I knew what I was doing. Inside I saw 10-12 more ATF maggots handling the guns, writing things down and pulling things off of the shelves. "What are you doing in here?" the voice from behind me asked. It was the black agent. "Where's Mike?" I asked, stunned. "He's not here. What do you want?" "I came by to pick up a gun. Is he alright?" "He's fine. You can pick it up tomorrow." "He'll be open then?" "He should be," was the response. Well, we'll see. You may have an inkling of what was going through my head... Were those ratbastards armed? But of course! Every one! Because some people are more equal than others! I'll stop by tomorrow. I can't tell you how LIVID I am right now! ------------------ John/az "When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA! www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.! See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html [This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 25, 2000).] [This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 26, 2000).]

October 25, 2000, 04:41 PM	#2
TexasVet Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2000 Location: DeepEastTexas Posts: 1,102	Keep us posted, Brother. ------------------ Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 68-70 true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.

October 25, 2000, 06:01 PM	#3
Gusgus Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2000 Location: Southern New Jersey Posts: 621	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John/az2: I can't tell you how LIVID I am right now! [/quote] You have every right to be! Let us know what happens.

October 25, 2000, 06:35 PM	#4
RickD Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,923	Which shop? I assume you will be posting this on azrkba@asu.edu? Rick

October 25, 2000, 06:41 PM	#5
Bud Helms Staff Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia Posts: 10,553	Keep us posted, John.

October 25, 2000, 08:18 PM	#6
Satanta Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2000 Location: everywhere, U.S.A. Posts: 623	Tyeah...and this happened in AZ? Really strange. i found AZ to be one of the friemdliest gun states I've been in. ditto on keeping us posted.

October 25, 2000, 11:22 PM	#7
RickD Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,923	Since when would being in a gun-friendly state matter to the KGBATF? Rick

October 25, 2000, 11:32 PM	#8
John/az2 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,754	Santana, On this past Monday a new "Federal Court House" (read U.N.) was dedicated. It appears that they are trying to get their (our) money's worth out of it. ------------------ John/az "When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA! www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.! See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

October 26, 2000, 08:04 AM	#9
Tropical Z Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Location: Atlantis Posts: 1,683	The ATF is swarming with SS wanabees!

October 26, 2000, 01:11 PM	#10
John/az2 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,754	Evidently, he was not arrested, but they packed away his guns in barrels, and carted them off. I've been trying to get ahold of him, but imagine he's trying to get things together to find out how he can (if they let... ...sorry, gotta stay calm... breathe in, breath out... ahem... *let* him put his business back together... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.[/quote] I can't write anymore, right now... gotta keep it together myself... I know many of you have read this thread and chosen not to respond, but feel the darkness falling... Fan the flames... pass the evidence far and wide... build the distrust against our dictatorial government... and one day all this will BITE THEM IN THE ASS! ------------------ John/az "When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA! www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.! See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html [This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 26, 2000).]

October 26, 2000, 01:21 PM	#11
scud Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 1,055	Sorry for the BS your friend has endured John, there really isn't much to say other then keep us posted and there are a lot of us that feel the same as you, the darkness is indeed falling.

October 26, 2000, 01:36 PM	#12
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: the Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,565	me thinks the chains are being yanked to influence the Goreing of America. Why not wait to pull an operation like this after the election? Its not like the shop owner was going anywhere.

October 26, 2000, 04:57 PM	#13
MikeK Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2000 Location: MD Posts: 567	John; Keep us posted. I know a lawyer at the NRA who would like to get some more info. E-mail me if you don't want to post all of the Gorey details. Thanks

October 26, 2000, 05:22 PM	#14
John/az2 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,754	Mike, I need your e-mail in order to do that! ------------------ John/az "When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA! www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.! See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

October 26, 2000, 05:31 PM	#15
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: St. Louis, Misery Posts: 3,763	At any rate, they had to have told him SOMETHING before tossing everything in barrels and driving to the local dank and damp rusting area... Had he sold any firearms to obvious strawman purchasers, etc.? Don't shoot me - just playing Devil's Advocate...

October 26, 2000, 05:48 PM	#16
John/az2 Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 1999 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,754	Yes, they accused him of that, but Mike is on the level. I've know him for over 4 years. And the ATF's reputation precedes them. Need I say more? This thread continued here: http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/fo...threadid=29861 ------------------ John/az "When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA! www.cphv.COM & www.handguncontrol.NET are being sued by Handgun Control, Inc.! See the "cease and desist" letter here: www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

October 26, 2000, 09:05 PM	#17
TheBluesMan Staff Join Date: June 15, 1999 Location: Ohio Posts: 7,566	Discussion continues elsewhere, so I'll close this one. ------------------ RKBA! "The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security" Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4 Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio. Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website