Glaser Safety Slug Effectiveness

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 10:01 AM

Need input on the effectiveness on these safety slugs, blue or silver in autos of 9mm or .380. THey even have them for my CZ 52. Are they as effective as they claim? Are they good for the in home, kill the bad guy but don't overpenetrate? I would like to up the performance on my Keltec .380, the only gun small enough for me to carry in my situation.

mikejonestkd · July 1, 2008, 10:11 AM

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot4.htm

hope this helps.

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 10:18 AM

So much for stopping on drywall! How about the power to stop? Will it turbocharge my little .380?

Rampant_Colt · July 1, 2008, 10:18 AM

Glaser SS loaded in .380 and 9mm only penetrates ~ 6", making them a poor choice for anything other than an ideal defensive scenario.

For .380 ACP i recommend 102gr Remington Golden Sabers or FMJ

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 10:22 AM

So a good JHP like Gold Dot would be a better choice?

Creature · July 1, 2008, 10:27 AM

Better than glaser safety slugs, yes.

Rampant_Colt · July 1, 2008, 10:28 AM

Gold Dot, Golden saber and DPX for .380--anything except Glaser! ...Especially from a weak, underpowered .380

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 10:49 AM

I know the .380 ain't great but in my work situation it is pretty much it. SO it is a .380 or a sharp pencil. The .380 wins in that situation. I will go back to the gold dots.

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 11:06 AM

Does anyone out there have anything good to say about the Glaser?

pesta2 · July 1, 2008, 01:49 PM

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Does anyone out there have anything good to say about the Glaser?

No

Keltyke · July 1, 2008, 02:53 PM

They're pretty...

bigjack59 · July 1, 2008, 02:57 PM

I am a victim of my own gullibility and slick marketing. Always looking for that magic bullet when I should be shooting. Live and learn...

Rampant_Colt · July 1, 2008, 03:24 PM

If you can be guaranteed an unobstructed frontal COM shot, Glaser SS would no doubt mess you up bad. Unfortunately, bad guys tend to duck, run, put their arms up, hide behind hard/soft cover, basically never offer you a good 'clean shot'.

Check out my sigline below for the true definition of stopping-power

Elvishead · July 1, 2008, 05:21 PM

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Rampant_Colt

Glaser SS loaded in .380 and 9mm only penetrates ~ 6", making them a poor choice for anything other than an ideal defensive scenario.

For .380 ACP i recommend 102gr Remington Golden Sabers or FMJ

2nd that

Tom2 · July 1, 2008, 05:58 PM

There are two kinds, the blue and the silver. The silver has bigger shot and is supposed to penetrate more. They maybe don't penetrate real deep but they appear to shread any "meat" they contact. Pictures of beef shot with the stuff look impressive, well it is real flesh, if not bone. I would read what the mfr says, then google around the net and see what you can find about it, instead of just a couple opinions. But try to find shooting tests, not unreferenced opinions. Even my opinion is just one person. The problem is that the ammo is so expensive, few can afford to do much testing unless they are writing for a mag or something. But you cannot be going too far wrong to use a good modern HP load from a major maker.

Creature · July 1, 2008, 06:57 PM

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Does anyone out there have anything good to say about the Glaser?

They are good waste of money...mandatory gear for Mall Ninjas.

dewidmt · July 1, 2008, 08:55 PM

Well, let's just say that maybe a few years ago, when I was really stupid, I accidentally put a round of .38 Special Glaser blue into my right thigh from contact distance. Bullet stayed intact and lodged behind right knee. if it performed that poorly at muzzle contact, I don't think much of downrange performance. I quit carrying Glasers after that, being very happy that it did not perform as advertised....

**JohnKSa** · July 2, 2008, 12:04 AM

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Always looking for that magic bullet when I should be shooting.

There are many shooters who could learn a thing or two from you. Some people never figure this out.

bigjack59 · July 2, 2008, 08:14 AM

SOmetimes your enthusiasm for shooting overcomes your common sense and what your gut is telling you. After looking at the Box O' Truth and some other stuff I think the Glaser should be sold on late night TV by that Billy Whathisname guy that does the magic sponge and the other "Only on TV crap." Sorry to hear about the leg shot, glad it didn't work!

Musketeer · July 2, 2008, 08:32 AM

I bought them 16 years ago and believed the marketing. As pointed out, in an ideal shoot they should work fine.

The problem is a shoot by its definition is a less than ideal situation.

Attackers stop for one of two reasons. Biology or Psychology. Biology is the only one you can be certain of.

The only certain way to stop someone immediately is to punch through the CNS. That means getting through the skull or penetrating through to the spinal cord. Glasers can't be relied on to do that.

The only other way to be certain of a stop, although not immediate, is significant damage resulting in blood loss. That means hitting large arteries and/or internal organs. Those are often protected by bones or large amounts of fat and muscle (there are places where they are closer to the surface but we are speaking in generalities here). Again, the Glaser's lack of penetration cannot be counted on causing a significantly bleeding wound to get the job done.

Psychology MAY cause a stop, this means the attacker gives up do to pain or shock. Glasers probably are as effective here as anything else. The problem is this stopping factor is determined by the attacker and outside your control.

KCabbage · July 2, 2008, 08:49 AM

Greetings.

My opinion, leave the Glaser's alone. Those rounds are best for air marshals, prison duty, and maybe detering a attacker without killing him.

The Glaser's have been known to short cycle in autos.

For the 9mm, go with a 115gr. hollow point if your concerned with overpenetration.
With the .380, you'll be fine with almost any reliably expanding hollow point.
For .380 I recommend the Winchester Ranger, Corbon DPX, Federal Hydrashok, and the Rem. Golden Sabre. There are a few other good loads also.

Take care

bigjack59 · July 2, 2008, 10:35 AM

KCabbage, thanks. I have learned a good bit from the thread. I will stick with Gold Dots from now on.

KCabbage · July 2, 2008, 11:41 AM

Your welcome!
Gold dots are an excellent load.
Take care

B.N.Real · July 2, 2008, 01:02 PM

Originally,I wanted to use these because they explode on contact with the first surface they hit supposedly making them much safer for use in a home or an apartment.

But after reading about failures to perform aganst heavily clothed assailants or large assailants,I don't need the handicap.

Jacket Hollow Points (9mm above)or FMJ's in the calibers below 9mm/.38 special for me.

joegator · July 2, 2008, 08:18 PM

I agree with most of the above. Just about any quality non frangible such as Gold Dot, Corbon, Golden Saber would be a much better choice. Not to mention who can afford to run enough rounds thru a bottom feeder to ensure reliability.

July 1, 2008, 10:01 AM	#1
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	Glaser Safety Slug Effectiveness Need input on the effectiveness on these safety slugs, blue or silver in autos of 9mm or .380. THey even have them for my CZ 52. Are they as effective as they claim? Are they good for the in home, kill the bad guy but don't overpenetrate? I would like to up the performance on my Keltec .380, the only gun small enough for me to carry in my situation. __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 10:11 AM	#2
mikejonestkd Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Brockport, NY Posts: 3,716	http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot4.htm hope this helps. __________________ You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.

July 1, 2008, 10:18 AM	#3
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	So much for stopping on drywall! How about the power to stop? Will it turbocharge my little .380? __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 10:18 AM	#4
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	Glaser SS loaded in .380 and 9mm only penetrates ~ 6", making them a poor choice for anything other than an ideal defensive scenario. For .380 ACP i recommend 102gr Remington Golden Sabers or FMJ __________________ member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scouts

July 1, 2008, 10:22 AM	#5
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	So a good JHP like Gold Dot would be a better choice? __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 10:27 AM	#6
Creature Junior member Join Date: April 8, 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,769	Better than glaser safety slugs, yes.

July 1, 2008, 10:28 AM	#7
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	Gold Dot, Golden saber and DPX for .380--anything except Glaser! ...Especially from a weak, underpowered .380 __________________ member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scouts

July 1, 2008, 10:49 AM	#8
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	I know the .380 ain't great but in my work situation it is pretty much it. SO it is a .380 or a sharp pencil. The .380 wins in that situation. I will go back to the gold dots. __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 11:06 AM	#9
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	Does anyone out there have anything good to say about the Glaser? __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 02:53 PM	#11
Keltyke Junior member Join Date: April 6, 2008 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 2,933	They're pretty...

July 1, 2008, 02:57 PM	#12
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	I am a victim of my own gullibility and slick marketing. Always looking for that magic bullet when I should be shooting. Live and learn... __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 1, 2008, 03:24 PM	#13
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	If you can be guaranteed an unobstructed frontal COM shot, Glaser SS would no doubt mess you up bad. Unfortunately, bad guys tend to duck, run, put their arms up, hide behind hard/soft cover, basically never offer you a good 'clean shot'. Check out my sigline below for the true definition of stopping-power __________________ member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scouts

July 1, 2008, 05:58 PM	#15
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	There are two kinds, the blue and the silver. The silver has bigger shot and is supposed to penetrate more. They maybe don't penetrate real deep but they appear to shread any "meat" they contact. Pictures of beef shot with the stuff look impressive, well it is real flesh, if not bone. I would read what the mfr says, then google around the net and see what you can find about it, instead of just a couple opinions. But try to find shooting tests, not unreferenced opinions. Even my opinion is just one person. The problem is that the ammo is so expensive, few can afford to do much testing unless they are writing for a mag or something. But you cannot be going too far wrong to use a good modern HP load from a major maker. __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!

July 1, 2008, 08:55 PM	#17
dewidmt Member Join Date: June 18, 2007 Location: Hills of Southern Indiana Posts: 66	Well, let's just say that maybe a few years ago, when I was really stupid, I accidentally put a round of .38 Special Glaser blue into my right thigh from contact distance. Bullet stayed intact and lodged behind right knee. if it performed that poorly at muzzle contact, I don't think much of downrange performance. I quit carrying Glasers after that, being very happy that it did not perform as advertised.... __________________ "If you're gonna shoot...shoot! Don't talk...." Tuco

July 2, 2008, 08:14 AM	#19
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	SOmetimes your enthusiasm for shooting overcomes your common sense and what your gut is telling you. After looking at the Box O' Truth and some other stuff I think the Glaser should be sold on late night TV by that Billy Whathisname guy that does the magic sponge and the other "Only on TV crap." Sorry to hear about the leg shot, glad it didn't work! __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 2, 2008, 08:32 AM	#20
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2005 Posts: 3,733	I bought them 16 years ago and believed the marketing. As pointed out, in an ideal shoot they should work fine. The problem is a shoot by its definition is a less than ideal situation. Attackers stop for one of two reasons. Biology or Psychology. Biology is the only one you can be certain of. The only certain way to stop someone immediately is to punch through the CNS. That means getting through the skull or penetrating through to the spinal cord. Glasers can't be relied on to do that. The only other way to be certain of a stop, although not immediate, is significant damage resulting in blood loss. That means hitting large arteries and/or internal organs. Those are often protected by bones or large amounts of fat and muscle (there are places where they are closer to the surface but we are speaking in generalities here). Again, the Glaser's lack of penetration cannot be counted on causing a significantly bleeding wound to get the job done. Psychology MAY cause a stop, this means the attacker gives up do to pain or shock. Glasers probably are as effective here as anything else. The problem is this stopping factor is determined by the attacker and outside your control. __________________ "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

July 2, 2008, 08:49 AM	#21
KCabbage Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2007 Posts: 707	Greetings. My opinion, leave the Glaser's alone. Those rounds are best for air marshals, prison duty, and maybe detering a attacker without killing him. The Glaser's have been known to short cycle in autos. For the 9mm, go with a 115gr. hollow point if your concerned with overpenetration. With the .380, you'll be fine with almost any reliably expanding hollow point. For .380 I recommend the Winchester Ranger, Corbon DPX, Federal Hydrashok, and the Rem. Golden Sabre. There are a few other good loads also. Take care

July 2, 2008, 10:35 AM	#22
bigjack59 Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2008 Location: greenville sc Posts: 221	KCabbage, thanks. I have learned a good bit from the thread. I will stick with Gold Dots from now on. __________________ ALWAYS BRING ENOUGH GUN

July 2, 2008, 11:41 AM	#23
KCabbage Senior Member Join Date: February 10, 2007 Posts: 707	Your welcome! Gold dots are an excellent load. Take care

July 2, 2008, 01:02 PM	#24
B.N.Real Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Posts: 4,092	Originally,I wanted to use these because they explode on contact with the first surface they hit supposedly making them much safer for use in a home or an apartment. But after reading about failures to perform aganst heavily clothed assailants or large assailants,I don't need the handicap. Jacket Hollow Points (9mm above)or FMJ's in the calibers below 9mm/.38 special for me.

July 2, 2008, 08:18 PM	#25
joegator Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 537	I agree with most of the above. Just about any quality non frangible such as Gold Dot, Corbon, Golden Saber would be a much better choice. Not to mention who can afford to run enough rounds thru a bottom feeder to ensure reliability.