Silencer

johnwilliamson062 · July 15, 2008, 04:41 PM

I have a p22, rem 700 in .222, marlin 891T in 22lr and soon to have Mini 14 in .223. I am under the impression these can all use a modifier meant for a .22. I am also under the impression that although the bullets are all very close to .22, they are not exactly the same. Whats the deal? Can they all use the same modifier/silencer?

MisterWilson · July 15, 2008, 04:55 PM

You can shoot .22lr through a .223 silencer but it's not a good idea because of the lead deposits.

www.silencertalk.com is your friend.

TPAW · July 15, 2008, 05:52 PM

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You can shoot .22lr through a .223 silencer but it's not a good idea because of the lead deposits.

It is not a good idea to talk about silencers on this forum at all. Anti gun liberals just love that!

MisterWilson · July 15, 2008, 06:08 PM

You've got to be kidding me, right?

Oh goodness no! Let us alter our behavior as to not scare them.

If you were serious that may very well be the most disappointing thing I've read in a long long time...

CowTowner · July 15, 2008, 06:41 PM

TFL has a forum for just these types of questions. It is the NFA Guns and Gear forum. The moderator may want to move this thread there.

MGRacer · July 15, 2008, 08:39 PM

The silencer is designed for the specific round. In general, you can shoot a round that has the same diameter and equal or lower pressure through a silencer designed for the higher pressure round. You cannot safely fire a .223 round through a silencer designed for a 22lr. It will come apart. As another poster has pointed out, it is safe to fire a 22lr through a can designed for .223 or 9mm or etc. However, I would not since the .22lr is a very dirty round that will deposit lead in your suppressor.

Harry Bonar · July 15, 2008, 09:14 PM

Sir;
No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.
And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum.
Harry B.

oldcspsarge · July 15, 2008, 09:44 PM

Silencers are another form of hearing protection....I find it much easier to start primary pistol instruction with a supressed 22 pistol.

Allows shooters to talk normally to one another.

and LEGAL for hunting small game, varmints AND Big game here in Colorado !

They are LEGAL and a registered silencer has NEVER been used in a crime.

johnwilliamson062 · July 15, 2008, 09:48 PM

I enjoy my hearing. I also enjoy being able to hear cars, animals, and people around me while shooting. Wearing ear protection which pretty much eliminates my best sense drives me nearly insane. Also I sometimes forget to put it on for the first shot.

I posted this here not the NFA b/c it wasn't really about the legality of it or about the equipment itself(where to get it or which is best, etc.). more about the actual caliber of the bullets as pertains to the equipment.

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No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.

Besides, I thought Heller just decided firearms were not limited to sporting. No sportsman needs a 100 round drum magazine either.

MisterWilson · July 15, 2008, 09:52 PM

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Sir;
No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.
And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum.
Harry B.

Look friend, I don't know what kind of hand wringing liberal indoctrination you've suffered through, but implying that even DISCUSSING silencers is somehow improper and immature is grossly incorrect.

Not only are they legal in most states, but they're fun and useful.

Who's side are you folks on??? I suppose I don't need high-capacity magazines or guns that resemble military firearms either.

ETA: Harry, I see according to your bio that you work on accurizing rifles. I guess that it should come as no surprise that silencers are said to enhance accuracy as well.

MisterWilson · July 15, 2008, 10:00 PM

swingset · July 16, 2008, 04:28 AM

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Sir;
No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.
And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum.
Harry B.

Are you for real? Seriously?

Do you know that in many countries suppressors are considered "good form" because they reduce noise?

Do you know that many hunters, varmint hunters in particular favor their use because of follow-up shots on multiple targets?

Do you know that many people buy and use guns for reasons other than being a Fu.....err......sportsman?

If your post wasn't just trolling, which I suspect it is, you should be shamed off of this site for holding such a ridiculous opinion of a PERFECTLY legitimate firearm accessory.

TPAW · July 16, 2008, 11:10 AM

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They are LEGAL and a registered silencer has NEVER been used in a crime.

I have nothing against silencers, but the above statement is a gross and ridiculous generalization and incorrect. I have vouchered a few during my 20 years in LE that were used in homicides, both legal and illegal silencers. I'm sure many other LEO's across this country have as well.
And yes Mister Wilson, I was being facetious. Regards, Dennis the menace.

MisterWilson · July 16, 2008, 11:18 AM

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I have nothing against silencers, but the above statement is a gross and ridiculous generalization and incorrect. I have vouchered a few during my 20 years in LE that were used in homicides. I'm sure many other LEO's across this country have as well.

Registered ones?

TPAW · July 16, 2008, 11:28 AM

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Registered ones?

Yes, generally one's that were registered and stolen during burglaries. A few by the registered owners. One that comes to mind is a guy who murdered his wife in the kitchen of his apartment in a multi dwelling building. Cut her up, bagged her, and buried her in a land fill. His was registered.

MisterWilson · July 16, 2008, 12:08 PM

I mean no disrespect in asking but, cite?

Any public records info I could look into?

Thanks Much.

Joey · July 16, 2008, 01:55 PM

Sir;
No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.
And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum.
Harry B.

Talk about absolutely ridiculous, this just goes to prove that we as gun owners are our own worst enemy with people like Harry B pretending to be pro gun :barf::barf::barf::barf:

Hold your friends close and your enemies even closer & it looks like Harry B has more than defined where he stands when it comes to friends of gun owners.

Scorch · July 16, 2008, 02:59 PM

In some foreign countries, suppressors are required for big game hunting, mostly to protect the hearing of professional guides and gamekeepers. Here in the USA, suppressors are typically banned for hunting game animals, but allowed in some areas for varmints and furbearer hunting. I don't have an opinion either way as to their ethical implications, but there are a lot of people (including gun owners and gunsmiths) who have never seen or handled a suppressor, and their only exposure to the equipment is negatively cast in movies. But I suppose you could say the same about guns. A suppressor is just a tool, it has no ethical implications, positive or negative. The person using it is the responsible party.

And just a general comment: calling people names or insulting them will never win them over to your point of view, and it offends others who might otherwise not have an opinion one way or the other.

MisterWilson · July 16, 2008, 03:34 PM

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And just a general comment: calling people names or insulting them will never win them over to your point of view, and it offends others who might otherwise not have an opinion one way or the other.

Yup, that's why I had to edit out a great deal of my first post...

TPAW · July 16, 2008, 03:58 PM

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I mean no disrespect in asking but, cite?

Any public records info I could look into?

Thanks Much.

I am retired now. I do not know the disposition of the case, or whether or not it has been officially closed. Not being in the loop anymore precludes me from gaining access to any official records concerning the investigation. Consequently, what information I do have, is confidential, and I am not at the liberty to discuss it. There was a brief story of the account in the local rags, NY Daily News, NY Times, NY Post, to name a few. If you wish to pursue the incident, those rags are a good place to start. Perhaps you can contact the NYPD homicide division at the NYPD headquarters building in lower Manhattan, NYC. The ATF based in lower Manhattan was also part of the investigation. Perhaps an inquiry to them would help. That's the best I can do for you.

Zak Smith · July 16, 2008, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Sir;
No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer.
And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum.
Harry B.

You are factually incorrect and an enemy of shooters and the 2nd Amendment. That is all.

-z

TATER · July 16, 2008, 05:12 PM

“And when they came for me, there was nobody left....”
Harry and TPAW.. Wow! Fellas.

ZeroJunk · July 16, 2008, 05:13 PM

Illegal in NC period.

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10. any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not such firearm is
included within this definition; and

I didn't think they were legal anywhere. I suspect that is what Harry was thinking also.

If you have a logical reason for their use other than covering a crime, such as ear protection or not aggravating the neighbors, fine. But, attacking Harry who probably knows more about firearms than most any ten of us shows your intelligence.

TATER · July 16, 2008, 05:36 PM

Zero,
No attacks here. Just kinda let down is all.
You think you’ve gotten the feel of someone
through their posts over the years and they
pull a Jim Zumbo on ya.......

Joey · July 16, 2008, 06:22 PM

If you have a logical reason for their use other than covering a crime, such as ear protection or not aggravating the neighbors, fine.

Why do I have to have a "logical reason" to own a can as long as they are legal in my state? Do I now have to have a "logical reason" to own a AR15, AK47, Barrett .50 cal "sniper" rifle?

Do I have to have a "logical reason" to have 2 cars, or 3 cars and a truck?

Give me a break here, your "logic" about this issue ranks right up there with the Brady bunch's anti gun reasoning.

July 15, 2008, 04:41 PM	#1
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Silencer I have a p22, rem 700 in .222, marlin 891T in 22lr and soon to have Mini 14 in .223. I am under the impression these can all use a modifier meant for a .22. I am also under the impression that although the bullets are all very close to .22, they are not exactly the same. Whats the deal? Can they all use the same modifier/silencer?

July 15, 2008, 06:41 PM	#5
CowTowner Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: Cowtown of course! Posts: 1,747	Try the correct forum TFL has a forum for just these types of questions. It is the NFA Guns and Gear forum. The moderator may want to move this thread there. __________________ NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearms Safety, Pistol and Rifle Instructor *“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life......”* President John F. Kennedy

July 15, 2008, 08:39 PM	#6
MGRacer Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2005 Posts: 130	The silencer is designed for the specific round. In general, you can shoot a round that has the same diameter and equal or lower pressure through a silencer designed for the higher pressure round. You cannot safely fire a .223 round through a silencer designed for a 22lr. It will come apart. As another poster has pointed out, it is safe to fire a 22lr through a can designed for .223 or 9mm or etc. However, I would not since the .22lr is a very dirty round that will deposit lead in your suppressor. __________________ "A man's gotta do what he thinks is best."

July 15, 2008, 09:14 PM	#7
Harry Bonar Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2004 Location: In the Vincent, Ohio general area. Posts: 1,804	silencer Sir; No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer. And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum. Harry B.

July 16, 2008, 02:59 PM	#18
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	In some foreign countries, suppressors are required for big game hunting, mostly to protect the hearing of professional guides and gamekeepers. Here in the USA, suppressors are typically banned for hunting game animals, but allowed in some areas for varmints and furbearer hunting. I don't have an opinion either way as to their ethical implications, but there are a lot of people (including gun owners and gunsmiths) who have never seen or handled a suppressor, and their only exposure to the equipment is negatively cast in movies. But I suppose you could say the same about guns. A suppressor is just a tool, it has no ethical implications, positive or negative. The person using it is the responsible party. And just a general comment: calling people names or insulting them will never win them over to your point of view, and it offends others who might otherwise not have an opinion one way or the other. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

July 15, 2008, 04:55 PM	#2
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	You can shoot .22lr through a .223 silencer but it's not a good idea because of the lead deposits. www.silencertalk.com is your friend.

July 15, 2008, 06:08 PM	#4
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	You've got to be kidding me, right? Oh goodness no! Let us alter our behavior as to not scare them. If you were serious that may very well be the most disappointing thing I've read in a long long time...

July 15, 2008, 09:44 PM	#8
oldcspsarge Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2008 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 441	Silencers are another form of hearing protection....I find it much easier to start primary pistol instruction with a supressed 22 pistol. Allows shooters to talk normally to one another. and LEGAL for hunting small game, varmints AND Big game here in Colorado ! They are LEGAL and a registered silencer has NEVER been used in a crime.

July 15, 2008, 10:00 PM	#11
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175

July 16, 2008, 12:08 PM	#16
MisterWilson Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 175	I mean no disrespect in asking but, cite? Any public records info I could look into? Thanks Much.

July 16, 2008, 01:55 PM	#17
Joey Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 1999 Posts: 437	Sir; No legitamate sporting weapon or sportsman ever needs a silencer. And, I agree it is improper and immature to post such on a public forum. Harry B. Talk about absolutely ridiculous, this just goes to prove that we as gun owners are our own worst enemy with people like Harry B pretending to be pro gun :barf::barf::barf::barf: Hold your friends close and your enemies even closer & it looks like Harry B has more than defined where he stands when it comes to friends of gun owners.

July 16, 2008, 05:12 PM	#22
TATER Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 963	“And when they came for me, there was nobody left....” Harry and TPAW.. Wow! Fellas.

July 16, 2008, 05:36 PM	#24
TATER Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 963	Zero, No attacks here. Just kinda let down is all. You think you’ve gotten the feel of someone through their posts over the years and they pull a Jim Zumbo on ya.......

July 16, 2008, 06:22 PM	#25
Joey Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 1999 Posts: 437	If you have a logical reason for their use other than covering a crime, such as ear protection or not aggravating the neighbors, fine. Why do I have to have a "logical reason" to own a can as long as they are legal in my state? Do I now have to have a "logical reason" to own a AR15, AK47, Barrett .50 cal "sniper" rifle? Do I have to have a "logical reason" to have 2 cars, or 3 cars and a truck? Give me a break here, your "logic" about this issue ranks right up there with the Brady bunch's anti gun reasoning.