States with restriction on JHP ammo?

ramp_tech · May 4, 2009, 01:19 PM

Looking for info regarding states with restriction on carrying JHP (HP) Ammo?

What are those states? Do post a web link if you found the regulation on the state's website!

ar15chase · May 4, 2009, 01:25 PM

http://volokh.com/posts/1177026951.shtml

I read a little of this, looks like NJ doesnt allow people to carry it for protection.

kyle1974 · May 4, 2009, 01:55 PM

Personally, I'm glad there are regulations that don't allow hollowpoints. I think people should only be killed with FMJ... killing them with hollowpoints is just rude

#18indycolts · May 4, 2009, 03:00 PM

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I think people should only be killed with FMJ... killing them with hollowpoints is just rude

ok.

Suicide*Ride · May 4, 2009, 06:07 PM

Yeah... , that's why I have 2 clips for my gun. 1 has hollow points & the other has full metal jackets. If I shoot someone, I just switch the clips after the shooting so when the cops show up I won't get busted for using hollow points for self defense.

signed: gecko45

Doodlebugger45 · May 4, 2009, 06:25 PM

Do they have laws against carving the little X on the tip of a FMJ bullet the way the badass dudes on TV do?

Hellbilly5000 · May 4, 2009, 06:43 PM

does that actually do anything (the carving an x on a fmj?)

cornbush · May 4, 2009, 07:36 PM

Ya, it turns them into explosive bullets, you know the ones the that will take your head off with one shot

czfonz · May 4, 2009, 08:05 PM

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Ya, it turns them into explosive bullets, you know the ones the that will take your head off with one shot

Yea I've seen it happen...its amazing what a carved X will do on a fmj

Bigjim3 · May 4, 2009, 08:18 PM

Im going to carry the best I can put my hands on. We will figure out the rest in court...

bbqbob51 · May 4, 2009, 08:22 PM

FMJ are cool because they pass right through the bad guy and hurt and kill innocent bystanders. The real fun comes when you get to shoot him again when he charges you because you missed a vital organ.

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 7, 2009, 11:23 PM

G'day. If you mark an 'x' On the tip of a FMJ using a Xylene free felt tip permanent marker, it will fragment better then one that has been cut. It has something to do with a chemical reaction on the gilding metal used for jacketed projectiles. The good thing about this method is that the forensic lab cannot detect the customised modification. You just tell them the 'x' is so you can identify your bullets from other peoples.

johnwilliamson062 · May 8, 2009, 08:31 AM

I can't even tell if SkullXbones is serious or not.

grymster2007 · May 8, 2009, 09:02 AM

Does it have to be an "X" Skulls? I was hoping to use a "G".

M1911 · May 8, 2009, 09:13 AM

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Looking for info regarding states with restriction on carrying JHP (HP) Ammo?

NJ is the only one that I'm aware of.

hardluk1 · May 8, 2009, 11:24 AM

NJ law will help sell that newer hornady personal defence ammo, the one with the rubber plug that makes it think its a fmj in a semi-auto and the powerball from cor-bon.

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 8, 2009, 07:59 PM

G'day.

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Originally Posted by grymster2007

Does it have to be an "X" Skulls? I was hoping to use a "G".

You need to use a fine tip, as to much of the marking media will cause the projectile to fly apart in flight.
If you put a ring around the projectile just above the brass, the projectile will separate at that point as it tumbles through the body. The 2 pieces then cause a wider wound cavity then a conventional FMJ with the advantage of deeper penetration then a fragmenting projectile.

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Originally Posted by johnwilliamson062

I can't even tell if SkullXbones is serious or not.

You could always try it out for yourself. After all, what do you have to loose? It will give you another reason to go shooting. You must remember to study the affects of each type of projectile. You probably need to fire at least a dozen shots of each type of bullet into a couple of different types of target compounds.

Let us know what your results are so that it is not just my word on the subject.

hogdogs · May 8, 2009, 08:32 PM

While I haven't gotten to try this, I have heard of this. Heard of it back in the 90's and thought everyone had heard of it.... I never tried it cuz I didn't know what marker to buy.
Brent

Jim March · May 8, 2009, 09:53 PM

OK, here's how you make your own hyper-deadly ammo.

First thing is, get set up handloading.

Second: take a 32acp case. Put a piece of masking tape across the bottom, with no primer, put a few drabs of fast-burning powder in the primer pocket under the masking tape - the PAPER kind (it's important).

Fill the 32acp case to the brim with a slow-burn powder like H110.

Stuff an 85gr Hornady XTP hollowpoint into it, putting a bit of crazy glue onto the rim of the case first. Give it a good crimp.

Take the resulting projectile (yeah, that's the WHOLE projectile and put it into a 357Magnum case, normally primed, using a powder charge appropriate for a 110gr 357Mag JHP projectile.

On firing, the powder in the 32acp primer pocket will light off when the "superbullet" is halfway down the barrel - starting the "rocket motor" effect with the the primer pocket acting like the nozzle. The burn will continue for about 20 feet, giving you another 1,000fps+ worth of boost. Energy should exceed anything an AK-47 normally spits out.

As a bonus, the coroner will get a serious case of "what the hell!?" when he finds a WHOLE round in a goblin...

Only problem is, I haven't been crazy enough to try it

.

**Tom Servo** · May 8, 2009, 10:04 PM

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Fill the 32acp case to the brim with a slow-burn powder like H110. Stuff an 85gr Hornady XTP hollowpoint into it, putting a bit of crazy glue onto the rim of the case first. Give it a good crimp.

This was where I started to worry for you.

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On firing, the powder in the 32acp primer pocket will light off when the "superbullet" is halfway down the barrel - starting the "rocket motor" effect with the the primer pocket acting like the nozzle. The burn will continue for about 20 feet, giving you another 1,000fps+ worth of boost. Energy should exceed anything an AK-47 normally spits out.

And this was where, for the briefest of moments, I thought, "hey, that could be..."

Then I started to worry for me

Dingoboyx · May 9, 2009, 04:07 AM

I have a few mates who professionally kill roo's around Cooma, who use and swear by this, it is quite true. The pens they use are available here called Artline, and like you said, you have to use the fine tip type. The broad tip pens 'overdo' it & the projectile tends to split in flight after leaving the muzzle.

The thing is the lines must be very fine, dead straight & evenly spaced for maximum effect. I have been told the blue pen is the best colour to use (something in the pigment, I guess) red doesn't seem to work as well, black would be second choice.

BTW, also works on .22 solids as well, makes them really deadly when they split on impact

I am suprised you knew about this, the roo cullers usually keep this secret to themselves? Oh well, if it's out, it's out I guess.....

Definately works, try it for yourselves, doubters

SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 · May 14, 2009, 08:34 AM

G'day. One thing that I forgot to mention about this method of modifying the projectiles is that you need to "mark" the FMJ at least six weeks before you intend to use them. That will give the chemical reaction time to take effect. 10 weeks is the ideal preparation period for them.

czfonz · May 14, 2009, 06:27 PM

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G'day. One thing that I forgot to mention about this method of modifying the projectiles is that you need to "mark" the FMJ at least six weeks before you intend to use them. That will give the chemical reaction time to take effect. 10 weeks is the ideal preparation period for them.

Sounds like bs to me...lol

Chipperman · May 14, 2009, 06:41 PM

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I have been told the blue pen is the best colour to use (something in the pigment, I guess) red doesn't seem to work as well, black would be second choice.

Silly Ozzies. Blue only works in the Southern Hemisphere. In the Northern Hemisphere you need to use Green color pens.

May 4, 2009, 01:25 PM	#2
ar15chase Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Location: Shallowater, Texas Posts: 444	http://volokh.com/posts/1177026951.shtml I read a little of this, looks like NJ doesnt allow people to carry it for protection. __________________ A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

May 4, 2009, 06:43 PM	#7
Hellbilly5000 Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2009 Location: RGV, Tx Posts: 787	does that actually do anything (the carving an x on a fmj?) __________________ And death climbs the steps one by one, To give you the rose that's been burnt by her son, Point me to the sky above I can't get there on my own, Walk me through the graveyard Dig up her bones

May 4, 2009, 08:18 PM	#10
Bigjim3 Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 419	Im going to carry the best I can put my hands on. We will figure out the rest in court... __________________ Jesus according to Luke:22:36: Then said he unto them, ,,,,,, and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one......... Thomas Jefferson: "No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

May 7, 2009, 11:23 PM	#12
SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2008 Location: Far Nth Wst QLD Australia Posts: 992	G'day. If you mark an 'x' On the tip of a FMJ using a Xylene free felt tip permanent marker, it will fragment better then one that has been cut. It has something to do with a chemical reaction on the gilding metal used for jacketed projectiles. The good thing about this method is that the forensic lab cannot detect the customised modification. You just tell them the 'x' is so you can identify your bullets from other peoples. __________________ If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough! When you're confused, I'll try to use smaller words!!!

May 8, 2009, 09:02 AM	#14
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	Does it have to be an "X" Skulls? I was hoping to use a "G". __________________ grym

May 4, 2009, 01:19 PM	#1
ramp_tech Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 251	States with restriction on JHP ammo? Looking for info regarding states with restriction on carrying JHP (HP) Ammo? What are those states? Do post a web link if you found the regulation on the state's website! __________________ National Rifle Association - Institute for Legislative Action YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE by making a contribution to NRA-ILA!

May 4, 2009, 01:55 PM	#3
kyle1974 Junior member Join Date: November 23, 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 254	Personally, I'm glad there are regulations that don't allow hollowpoints. I think people should only be killed with FMJ... killing them with hollowpoints is just rude

May 4, 2009, 06:07 PM	#5
Suicide*Ride Member Join Date: March 31, 2009 Posts: 44	Yeah... , that's why I have 2 clips for my gun. 1 has hollow points & the other has full metal jackets. If I shoot someone, I just switch the clips after the shooting so when the cops show up I won't get busted for using hollow points for self defense. signed: gecko45

May 4, 2009, 06:25 PM	#6
Doodlebugger45 Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,717	Do they have laws against carving the little X on the tip of a FMJ bullet the way the badass dudes on TV do?

May 4, 2009, 07:36 PM	#8
cornbush Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: The retarded place below Idaho Posts: 1,408	Ya, it turns them into explosive bullets, you know the ones the that will take your head off with one shot

May 4, 2009, 08:22 PM	#11
bbqbob51 Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2005 Posts: 775	FMJ are cool because they pass right through the bad guy and hurt and kill innocent bystanders. The real fun comes when you get to shoot him again when he charges you because you missed a vital organ.

May 8, 2009, 08:31 AM	#13
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	I can't even tell if SkullXbones is serious or not.

May 8, 2009, 11:24 AM	#16
hardluk1 Junior member Join Date: March 27, 2009 Posts: 600	NJ law will help sell that newer hornady personal defence ammo, the one with the rubber plug that makes it think its a fmj in a semi-auto and the powerball from cor-bon.

May 8, 2009, 08:32 PM	#18
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	While I haven't gotten to try this, I have heard of this. Heard of it back in the 90's and thought everyone had heard of it.... I never tried it cuz I didn't know what marker to buy. Brent

May 8, 2009, 09:53 PM	#19
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	OK, here's how you make your own hyper-deadly ammo. First thing is, get set up handloading. Second: take a 32acp case. Put a piece of masking tape across the bottom, with no primer, put a few drabs of fast-burning powder in the primer pocket under the masking tape - the PAPER kind (it's important). Fill the 32acp case to the brim with a slow-burn powder like H110. Stuff an 85gr Hornady XTP hollowpoint into it, putting a bit of crazy glue onto the rim of the case first. Give it a good crimp. Take the resulting projectile (yeah, that's the WHOLE projectile and put it into a 357Magnum case, normally primed, using a powder charge appropriate for a 110gr 357Mag JHP projectile. On firing, the powder in the 32acp primer pocket will light off when the "superbullet" is halfway down the barrel - starting the "rocket motor" effect with the the primer pocket acting like the nozzle. The burn will continue for about 20 feet, giving you another 1,000fps+ worth of boost. Energy should exceed anything an AK-47 normally spits out. As a bonus, the coroner will get a serious case of "what the hell!?" when he finds a WHOLE round in a goblin... Only problem is, I haven't been crazy enough to try it . __________________ Jim March

May 9, 2009, 04:07 AM	#21
Dingoboyx Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2009 Location: South East Queensland, Australia Posts: 1,513	+1 Skull I have a few mates who professionally kill roo's around Cooma, who use and swear by this, it is quite true. The pens they use are available here called Artline, and like you said, you have to use the fine tip type. The broad tip pens 'overdo' it & the projectile tends to split in flight after leaving the muzzle. The thing is the lines must be very fine, dead straight & evenly spaced for maximum effect. I have been told the blue pen is the best colour to use (something in the pigment, I guess) red doesn't seem to work as well, black would be second choice. BTW, also works on .22 solids as well, makes them really deadly when they split on impact I am suprised you knew about this, the roo cullers usually keep this secret to themselves? Oh well, if it's out, it's out I guess..... Definately works, try it for yourselves, doubters __________________ Muzza If you cant blind them with brilliance, Baffle them with BS Be alert...... there is a shortage of LERTs

May 14, 2009, 08:34 AM	#22
SKULLANDCROSSBONES65 Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2008 Location: Far Nth Wst QLD Australia Posts: 992	G'day. One thing that I forgot to mention about this method of modifying the projectiles is that you need to "mark" the FMJ at least six weeks before you intend to use them. That will give the chemical reaction time to take effect. 10 weeks is the ideal preparation period for them. __________________ If you're not confused, you're not trying hard enough! When you're confused, I'll try to use smaller words!!!