Slam firing your shotgun.

Super-Dave · June 11, 2009, 12:25 PM

Is there a way to modify your shotgun so that it could slam fire?

That is if you hold the trigger down and cycle the pump the gun fires?

If there is a way to modify your shotgun is it legal to do so?

I know all about the old Ithacas so you don't need to mention them.

hogdogs · June 11, 2009, 12:37 PM

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Is there a way to modify your shotgun

Not safe with a Mossberg... I am pretty sure the only thing stopping it is the locking lug. Without that, the bolt is going to fly rearward at a rate comparable to or exceeding the acceleration and speed of a top fuel dragster!

Brent

Microgunner · June 11, 2009, 12:48 PM

I know this doesn't answer your question, but, why not just buy a good semi-auto?

johnwilliamson062 · June 11, 2009, 01:02 PM

Isn't that one of the things that is not allowed? Part of the "street sweeper" restrictions or something?

Bill DeShivs · June 11, 2009, 01:05 PM

As long as the gun was a pump, it would be legal.

**Mike Irwin** · June 11, 2009, 01:15 PM

Modern pump shotguns have a trigger disconnector that prevent the gun from slam firing.

Older shotguns, including Ithaca model 37s, did not have the disconnector.

Buy yourself one of those and don't muck around in the guts of a new shotgun.

Joat · June 11, 2009, 02:15 PM

Winchester model 97s will slam fire and so will the chicom copies.

Joat

oneounceload · June 11, 2009, 02:42 PM

The question then becomes WHY?

hogdogs · June 11, 2009, 03:55 PM

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The question then becomes WHY?

Jist fer giggles is reason enuff fer me!!!

My redneck tree service thread is proof I like to just shoot at times...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...k+tree+service
Brent

BillM · June 11, 2009, 04:01 PM

Winchester 97's
Winchester mdl 12
Old Ithaca 37's
Savage 520's (sold under a pile of names/models)

Anybody add more to the list?

plainsman456 · June 11, 2009, 05:30 PM

Savage 820B's will also.Good Luck

A_McDougal · June 11, 2009, 07:02 PM

Be safe. Post video.

Microgunner · June 11, 2009, 07:13 PM

BTW. I tried some pump firing with my Winchester mod 12 once. About the second shot in you'll begin pulling the buttstock slightly away from your shoulder if you do it fast enough and you'll really feel the recoil. If you slow down enough to avoid this you won't need pump fire ability. This was my experience. Buy a good semi.

HShack · June 11, 2009, 08:30 PM

Winchester model 25, but I'd be shocked if you could hit anything like that.

xm21 · June 12, 2009, 04:26 AM

Herb Parsons was able to throw 7 clay pigeons in the air and shoot them all before they hit the ground.He was an exhibition shooter for Winchester and said the model 12 was the only pumpgun in the world fast enough to do this.

He later in life said in an interview that he was able to do this by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.That allowed him to shoot faster than the semi auto guns of that era.Another reason the model 12 was the only pump to do this was it held 6 rounds in the magazine.

So maybe if a fellow had the natural hand eye coordination,fast twitch muscle fibers,visual acuity,and unlimited ammunition that Mr. Parsons was gifted with the "slam fire" technique would be useful in the field or on the range.I am not one of those fellows,but I have emptied my 66 year old Ithaca Model 37 20 gauge a few times by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.I gotta admit it was kind of fun.

eastbank · June 12, 2009, 04:48 AM

they made the newer guns with trigger disconectors so some nitwit would not hold the trigger back in the excitement of pumping the gun while hunting and maybe killing his hunting pardner. i have shot my md 12 and md 37 that way just to say i did it if it ever came up on a forum like this, i didn,t hit a damn thing. eastbank.

jerryd · June 12, 2009, 11:01 AM

When i was in RVN our Savage Stevens pump shotguns didnt have the disconnect, so we could pump like crazy to chop down the brush!

**Mike Irwin** · June 12, 2009, 11:09 AM

I thought Parsons said specifically that he did NOT pump fire the gun and that there is slow motion video of him shooting 7 birds that shows his finger releasing and pulling the trigger for each shot...

zippy13 · June 12, 2009, 02:32 PM

DO NOT attempt to circumvent the disconnector!

Peter M. Eick · June 13, 2009, 02:47 PM

My old Marlin 24 will slam fire even when you don't want it to. That is one of the problems with the old Marlins. You have to always be careful racking the slide on that one.

Dave McC · June 13, 2009, 04:14 PM

I've held the trigger back on divers vintage pumps a few times.

Impressive rate of fire, but your target has to be very close and large.

If you can keep things at 10 yards inside a foot or two, you da man.

**44 AMP** · June 13, 2009, 05:04 PM

back whe I was a teenager, and dumb as a post. My brother almost shot his foot off when, in a hurry, he loaded my model 12, with his finger on the trigger.

There are a number of older guns which will do this, but no newer ones, and for a good reason. IF you have the coodrination to pump the action, you have enough to pull the trigger a fraction of a second later.

Don't mess with the insides of a new shotgun to try and achieve some mythical rate of fire, it won't work.

Marten Kolczek · June 14, 2009, 12:22 AM

Not worth the effort to try and modify. Some time ago, I wondered wether or not my Stevens 820 would slam fire, and it did. Right into the chicken house. I learned not to be impulsive. Nevertheless, it takes some coordination to slam fire a 12ga and hit anything. Might be useful in giving that clay you missed a second try. Or fighting back against a hoard of Starlings that have decided to kill you while you're out in the field.
Marten

b.thomas · June 14, 2009, 07:32 AM

Never been dumb enough to try or even want to?

June 11, 2009, 12:25 PM	#1
Super-Dave Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 795	Slam firing your shotgun. Is there a way to modify your shotgun so that it could slam fire? That is if you hold the trigger down and cycle the pump the gun fires? If there is a way to modify your shotgun is it legal to do so? I know all about the old Ithacas so you don't need to mention them. __________________ If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever. George Orwell

June 11, 2009, 12:48 PM	#3
Microgunner Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,324	I know this doesn't answer your question, but, why not just buy a good semi-auto? __________________ *Proud NRA Benefactor Member*

June 11, 2009, 01:05 PM	#5
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	As long as the gun was a pump, it would be legal. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

June 11, 2009, 01:15 PM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Modern pump shotguns have a trigger disconnector that prevent the gun from slam firing. Older shotguns, including Ithaca model 37s, did not have the disconnector. Buy yourself one of those and don't muck around in the guts of a new shotgun. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 11, 2009, 02:15 PM	#7
Joat Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Location: Dayton, TX Posts: 383	Winchester model 97s will slam fire and so will the chicom copies. Joat __________________ All things being equal, fat people use more soap. (I know I am one.) High speed, low drag does not even come close to describing ME.

June 11, 2009, 01:02 PM	#4
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Isn't that one of the things that is not allowed? Part of the "street sweeper" restrictions or something?

June 11, 2009, 02:42 PM	#8
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	The question then becomes WHY?

June 11, 2009, 04:01 PM	#10
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	Winchester 97's Winchester mdl 12 Old Ithaca 37's Savage 520's (sold under a pile of names/models) Anybody add more to the list?

June 11, 2009, 05:30 PM	#11
plainsman456 Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Posts: 260	Savage 820B's will also.Good Luck

June 11, 2009, 07:02 PM	#12
A_McDougal Member Join Date: May 1, 2009 Posts: 48	Be safe. Post video.

June 11, 2009, 07:13 PM	#13
Microgunner Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,324	BTW. I tried some pump firing with my Winchester mod 12 once. About the second shot in you'll begin pulling the buttstock slightly away from your shoulder if you do it fast enough and you'll really feel the recoil. If you slow down enough to avoid this you won't need pump fire ability. This was my experience. Buy a good semi. __________________ *Proud NRA Benefactor Member*

June 11, 2009, 08:30 PM	#14
HShack Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2009 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 106	slamfire Winchester model 25, but I'd be shocked if you could hit anything like that. __________________ Shack

June 12, 2009, 04:26 AM	#15
xm21 Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2008 Posts: 177	Herb Parsons was able to throw 7 clay pigeons in the air and shoot them all before they hit the ground.He was an exhibition shooter for Winchester and said the model 12 was the only pumpgun in the world fast enough to do this. He later in life said in an interview that he was able to do this by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.That allowed him to shoot faster than the semi auto guns of that era.Another reason the model 12 was the only pump to do this was it held 6 rounds in the magazine. So maybe if a fellow had the natural hand eye coordination,fast twitch muscle fibers,visual acuity,and unlimited ammunition that Mr. Parsons was gifted with the "slam fire" technique would be useful in the field or on the range.I am not one of those fellows,but I have emptied my 66 year old Ithaca Model 37 20 gauge a few times by holding the trigger back and pumping like hell.I gotta admit it was kind of fun.

June 12, 2009, 04:48 AM	#16
eastbank Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2008 Location: pa. Posts: 2,450	they made the newer guns with trigger disconectors so some nitwit would not hold the trigger back in the excitement of pumping the gun while hunting and maybe killing his hunting pardner. i have shot my md 12 and md 37 that way just to say i did it if it ever came up on a forum like this, i didn,t hit a damn thing. eastbank.

June 12, 2009, 11:01 AM	#17
jerryd Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Location: Ct. Posts: 131	When i was in RVN our Savage Stevens pump shotguns didnt have the disconnect, so we could pump like crazy to chop down the brush!

June 12, 2009, 11:09 AM	#18
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I thought Parsons said specifically that he did NOT pump fire the gun and that there is slow motion video of him shooting 7 birds that shows his finger releasing and pulling the trigger for each shot... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 12, 2009, 02:32 PM	#19
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	DO NOT attempt to circumvent the disconnector!

June 13, 2009, 02:47 PM	#20
Peter M. Eick Senior Member Join Date: August 3, 1999 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,991	My old Marlin 24 will slam fire even when you don't want it to. That is one of the problems with the old Marlins. You have to always be careful racking the slide on that one. __________________ 10mm and 357sig, the best things to come along since the 38 super!

June 13, 2009, 04:14 PM	#21
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I've held the trigger back on divers vintage pumps a few times. Impressive rate of fire, but your target has to be very close and large. If you can keep things at 10 yards inside a foot or two, you da man.

June 13, 2009, 05:04 PM	#22
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	used to practice this with my model 12...from the hip back whe I was a teenager, and dumb as a post. My brother almost shot his foot off when, in a hurry, he loaded my model 12, with his finger on the trigger. There are a number of older guns which will do this, but no newer ones, and for a good reason. IF you have the coodrination to pump the action, you have enough to pull the trigger a fraction of a second later. Don't mess with the insides of a new shotgun to try and achieve some mythical rate of fire, it won't work. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

June 14, 2009, 12:22 AM	#23
Marten Kolczek Junior Member Join Date: June 10, 2009 Posts: 7	Not worth the effort to try and modify. Some time ago, I wondered wether or not my Stevens 820 would slam fire, and it did. Right into the chicken house. I learned not to be impulsive. Nevertheless, it takes some coordination to slam fire a 12ga and hit anything. Might be useful in giving that clay you missed a second try. Or fighting back against a hoard of Starlings that have decided to kill you while you're out in the field. Marten

June 14, 2009, 07:32 AM	#24
b.thomas Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Posts: 461	Never been dumb enough to try or even want to?