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Old July 26, 2009, 05:35 AM   #1
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Another positive Taurus post

My son came home on leave from the Air Force yesterday. While he was unpacking he called me to his room to show me his new 605 stainless Taurus. It looked and felt like a nice useable gun. I was leery of shooting it with .357 mag ammo because of it's small size and 2 inch barrel. We took it to our range last evening just before dark and he and I shot it for the first time. It shot great. Not a target gun by any means but that is not what he bought it for. It did have a little bit of bite but was very controlable and fun to shoot. And at dusk the foot and a half of flame from the muzzle was impressive.
Our first impression was very positive. Reasonable priced and fun to shoot.
I have owned a full sized Taurus .357 for years with out any problems. I would not hesitate to buy another. Jim
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Old July 26, 2009, 08:46 AM   #2
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I bought a 45 Colt Gaucho SA and haven't had a problem. A friend bought a 454 Ragin Bull and loves his. I suspect bad news travels faster than good news about Taurus. Tim
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Old July 26, 2009, 11:55 AM   #3
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605s are nice revolvers and put together well.

Glad to see another Taurus success story.
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Old July 26, 2009, 02:15 PM   #4
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Old July 26, 2009, 02:59 PM   #5
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It looked and felt like a nice useable gun. ... It shot great. Not a target gun by any means but that is not what he bought it for.
Hm.

If someone posted that type of content in a thread titled "A Positive Ruger/S&W/DanWesson/Korth/whatever post" matching the make of the gun... everyone would be saying:

1. How many rounds did you shoot?
2. What was the trigger pull like?
3. Were the sights well regulated to the ammunition you used?
4. How were the groups?

And a bunch more minutia pertinent to really wringing out a new gun, rather than what amounts to a basic function check with a conclusion of "yep, it goes bang" at the end.

I find it morbidly comical that a thread needs to be created to point out that Taurus did in fact manufacture a revolver that appeared to be cosmetically assembled correctly, didn't fall apart before getting shot at the range, and didn't have its guts come out of alignment in the frame while shooting.
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Old July 26, 2009, 02:59 PM   #6
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I've got a 605, as well as the 617 (both .357), and I've got a Raging Bull .454 Casull. They're all great guns!
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Old July 26, 2009, 04:52 PM   #7
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Glad to see another Taurus success story.
Back in the 90's I was managing a gun department in a sporting goods store while attending grad school. When the Clinton gun laws were passed we started selling everything in sight but mostly we sold Taurus. And it was mostly the PT-92 and the 357 revolver that we sold. Never had one of them come back with a defect.

I did see my PT-92 customers quite often, though. I could not keep the UMC 9mm ammo in stock because they were shooting so much of it.

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Old July 26, 2009, 09:03 PM   #8
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Don't guns sold in America have a standard to meet???? I have owned a Winchester model 1400 12 ga auto that I have used since new in 1972. It has never let me down both in the field and skeet range. It too is "bashed" today. As a skeet shooter I learned that an old pro named Fred Missildine loved his model 1400 and won many tournaments with his. Go figure. Tim
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Old July 26, 2009, 09:30 PM   #9
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i had a 605 for a while last year it shot great, didn't have any trouble with it. then early this year i bought a 85 it was junk, the cylinder would bind on it, then i noticed the cylinder where the ratchet turns the cylinder (i think thats what it is called) the grooves on the cylinder wasn't done right. three looked ok the others didn't look deep enough. i took it back to the shop, and got me a ruger sp101. i beleive you get bad ones in all brands, i now take a much closer look before i buy. i would still buy taurus if i got a good deal and i checked it real good. right now they are almost as high as a ruger, a 66 i saw a few days ago was $425.00 at my local store a sp101 is $489.00 so if i have that choice i'll choose ruger.
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Old July 26, 2009, 09:36 PM   #10
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Okay.
Here goes. Figured the trolls would find their way over here. Insult the intelligence of the person and trashing the model are standard troll tactics.

Oh,yes. Having meaningful dialogue about a model without the self appointed "Anointed Ones" who know all and see all is not permitted.

They can't be happy if anyone else is happy with brand they do not endorse.


http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...5969#msg265969

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=8686.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=1814.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=8478.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=351.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=898.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7538.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=8657.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...2570#msg102570
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Old July 26, 2009, 09:39 PM   #11
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If someone posted that type of content in a thread titled "A Positive Ruger/S&W/DanWesson/Korth/whatever post" matching the make of the gun... everyone would be saying:

1. How many rounds did you shoot?
2. What was the trigger pull like?
3. Were the sights well regulated to the ammunition you used?
4. How were the groups?

And a bunch more minutia pertinent to really wringing out a new gun, rather than what amounts to a basic function check with a conclusion of "yep, it goes bang" at the end.
Sorry the poor guy's post didn't meet your criteria. Since there is apparently nothing for you to see, feel free to move along.
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Old July 26, 2009, 09:53 PM   #12
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hey i like taurus, the 605 i had shot as good as the sp101 i have now. just at the time when the 85 was got and it wasn't so good, it kinda got be down on taurus thats why i traded the 605 too. if i had it to do over i would still take the 85 back cause it was bad, but i would have kept the 605 it was a good gun. the 66 i checked at the store the other day looked great and worked great lockup was tight and it cycled perfect. it just seemed a little high compared to the ruger, besides i forgot to mention the taurus was blued. i ask the owner what a taurus stainless would cost he said about $460.00 but he's not for sure because the are out of stock right now. like i said i beleive they are good and bad in all brands, i've had friends to have trouble with ruger handguns. i would still buy taurus if i could find a good deal, i just don't want to pay for a taurus for what i can get a ruger for. a blue gp100 i just bought a few weeks ago only ran me $455.00 +tax.
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Old July 27, 2009, 01:27 AM   #13
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Sorry the poor guy's post didn't meet your criteria. Since there is apparently nothing for you to see, feel free to move along.


I'll be sure to post the same type of thread when I buy my next new gun.

"Dear diary: Today I bought a new [x-brand] gun. I'm so excited that it was assembled correctly and didn't have to be sent back to the factory for repairs as a newly purchased gun. It actually worked when I took it out to shoot it! That's my standard of excellence, you see... it's worthy of remark when it works as designed."

Yeah, it's a snub .357 and one doesn't typically write about how it grouped all 5 shots into a 3/4" circle at 25 yards off-hand, or how wonderful its 2 lb single action pull might be... But a little bit more than "hooray, Taurus made a gun that functioned - see, they're not all lemons" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the product.

You guys who want to improve the reputation of the product need to actually demonstrate how they have parity with a Ruger or S&W product rather than "well, it made fire come out at the range." That type of glowing endorsement will only keep Taurus down on the same rung of reputation for quality as Comanches, EAA Windicators and Charters.
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Old July 27, 2009, 03:22 AM   #14
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Okay,we can go there.

If anyone had bothered to go through the links that were posted earlier they might have seen the evidence. However far be it that people should be bothered to actually go through those and discover they may learn something or may have to change their mind. Then again, there are those for who no matter what facts and evidence is put in front of them they will not accept them. Willful ignorance is not bliss and "conventional wisdom" is not necessarily wise.

The evidence:
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...?topic-22079.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...?topic=22682.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...?topic=19433.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=8478.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...?topic=19054.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7538.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7052.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7534.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=9553.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=7184.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/in...p?topic=9909.0

Now, there are links with the Taurus snubbies and model 66s in there. Might be a couple of others.
I can bring the whole schmeer of model links in here if need be.

This is not to say that Taurus is superior to any brand. Just that they can stand with along side other brands.

These links are from people who own many brands. That includes S&W and Rugers.
There are also those who choose Taurus and never need to look for anything else. Their needs and niches have been met.

This is not about supposed superiority of any brand. All the gun companies build decent models that serve the owners well.

What this is in part is that the owners of brand x,y,or z are happy and well served by their picks. This is not a king of the hill contest.

Within the links is even a dark side of S&W. Even Ruger had some problems with early batches of the various revolvers. If I have to go hunt that down I will.

Just respect the satsified Taurus owners , which are a majority of them, and let them get on with life. Why come into positive threads and have to go negative on the OP or other posters when there is no need to? Just because it can be done? That is unethical and immoral.

I can go to any of the gun forums and bring the links of past and recent problems that hound certain brands,makes and models.

I can go down the low road that brand X,Y, or Z is trash.

That can't be building anything of value, otherewise they would not be having these problems.

Recently it came to light the LAPD has gone away from the S&W M&P pistols because of ongoing problems. Can bring that article here if need be.

Does this mean that all M&Ps are trash. No. Not by a long shot. Just means that any company can and do have times when things go sour.

You'll never hear every satisfied customer go out and document how well a brand works.

It is a fact that those who have trroubles are more likely to document their dissatifaction with a particular example than the positive ones.

Reason being that there is nothing to report that is negative. Nothing si perfect, but we learn to live with the foibles of varios brands,makes ,and models.

If you cannot be convinced of Taurus parity or quality,fine. That's your call.
For a lot of this the parity is there and sometimes surpassed.

Those that are happy with another brand, no problem. Don't go and denigrate something when it is not called for.
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Old July 27, 2009, 03:47 AM   #16
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Although the Range Masters talk them down, they did like my 608 4" 8 shot ..357.

Nice trigger both DA/SA, very accurate, and went through about 3000 (.357) rounds with zero problems. Although miner, I can't say that about some of my S&Ws
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Old July 27, 2009, 05:50 AM   #17
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But a little bit more than "hooray, Taurus made a gun that functioned - see, they're not all lemons" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the product.
I just thought that was funny. It's kinda true though. The only Taurus I ever shot was a PT92. And it was junk, but in it's defense, my buddy had shot it quite a bit, and beat it up pretty good. Whenever I see a Taurus thread on TFL, the OP generally sounds surprised that the pistol didn't explode in their faces.
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:06 AM   #18
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I just had a guy I know and trust convey to me a glowing report on a PT1911 - put 1K downrange without a hiccup. Also had a good account of the PT92 as well.

Just saying - I'd consider it....
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:09 AM   #19
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Taurus? Yeah, I've shot a few...

Years back, shot a Taurus 92. Range rental gun, with laser mounted on it. Ran a couple hundred rounds of cheap, range-special reloads through it. No malfunctions. Shot to point-of-aim, sub 2" groups at 25 to 50 feet offhand with both laser and iron sights. Big gun, easy to shoot in 9mm.

Owned a Taurus 605 stainless. Real nice looking little gun. Shot fine - no malfunctions with several hundred rounds through it. Trigger pull a little heavy and somewhat gritty. Shot to point-of-aim, 3" group average at 25 feet offhand (for me). Slightly more difficult to shoot fast and accurately with full-house .357 loads. Carried easily. Traded it for a Glock 27 - similar size, but with 10 rounds of .40 cal instead of 5 rounds of .357.

Own a Taurus model 85UL blued. Comfortable grip, shoots to point-of-aim and groups at 2 - 3 inches at 25 feet. Several hundred rounds through it, various brands of ammo with no malfunctions. Trigger pull was a little rough, polished internals and installed a Wolff spring kit - now has terrific, smooth, light pull. No light primer strikes.

Had a Taurus model 94. Nice size, comfortable grips. Shot to point-of-aim at 25 to 50 feet, 2" to 3" groups, but with frequent cylinder lock-up. Very difficult to eject brass - ejector kept binding. Trigger was rough and very heavy. Tried another model 94 - range rental gun - similar results.

Overall, not bad guns for the most part, but would most likely choose another brand if the price point was similar.

Taurus 605 or Ruger SP101?

Sp101.

Taurus 85 or Ruger LCR

LCR.

Taurus PT92 or Beretta?

PT92 (most likely to be significantly cheaper)

Taurus 94 or... anything else...

anything else.
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:12 AM   #20
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Old July 27, 2009, 10:45 AM   #21
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There was a time when...

as a gun owner that has at least one example of nearly every brand, I used to put Colt, S&W, & Ruger ( along with a couple other "quality makers" ) on a shelf one higher than Tauri, Rossi's etc.

but after all the issues I had with my last "new" S&W ( 3 times back to S&W to correct a condition S&W said was "dangerous to shoot" a condition I recieved my new unfired revolver in, & of which condition they continually sent the revolver back to me in )

my opinion of S&W is much tarnished... my last couple Rugers ( new Vaquero Montado's ) are some of the finest finished of any modern new revolver... yet the company has more than it's share of recalls...

I think they all have good models & seems all have models that are ugly & that you just can't believe that a gun with "those" defects could have made it out of a modern factory... my (2) Tarui seem to work flawlessly... my "Raging" has every bit the quality feel of any revolver "brand" & while my 22 mag Tracker has a "cheaper feel" to it, the gun has never had any issues, shoots to point of aim, etc.

the bigger concern, seems to be "IF" you have a problem... Taurus's customer service rarely has anyone saying anything good about it... my expirience with S&W was horrible, but they did make the gun "right" even though it took me talking to the area representive, & 3 trips & over 3 months for S&W to make it right... most reports concering S&W customer service is positive, albeit there are way, way more people telling about how bad there gun was from the factory reciently... I've never had to send in a Ruger yet, but again, most shooters opinion of Rugers customer service is that it is good... I had tried to originally e-mail S&W about my problem, & never did even recieve acknowledgement that they had recieved my e-mail... I contacted Ruger about making an extra cylinder & even though they couldn't help me out, I had a reply the same day
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as a gun owner that has at least one example of nearly every brand, I used to put Colt, S&W, & Ruger ( along with a couple other "quality makers" ) on a shelf one higher than Tauri, Rossi's etc.
I am kinda in the same boat. I have more than one of most brands. My exception is that I have only one Taurus (PT945), but it has been an outstanding pistol.

These Taurus threads always seem to come to the same point. A lot of Taurus bashers never owned a Taurus, or some that have had problems with their Taurus fail to mention that they also have had problems with their trusty S&W's, Colts, Rugers,...etc. If someone says they have not had a problem with a certain brand then they probably just don't shoot very much. And lets face it, some just cannot stand a brand that performs well but cost less than their own brand.

Anyway, it does appear that Taurus service is not what it should be...and that's a real problem.

Added: Just one more point on the quality of material used on Taurus. I am a retired mechanical engineer, and I can see no difference in the quality of material...metal parts etc. on Taurus compared to other brands. Some posts (not here) that claim Taurus is made from pot-metal are just plain silly.

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Old July 27, 2009, 06:47 PM   #23
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I'm not going to go into a long technical report to please certain people. I own two Taurus revolvers, a 605 which is my daily carry gun and a 990 .22 tracker. They are both great guns, with no problems ever. I will purchase another Taurus. Yes I do own other brands.
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Old July 27, 2009, 06:48 PM   #24
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You guys who want to improve the reputation of the product need to actually demonstrate how they have parity with a Ruger or S&W product rather than "well, it made fire come out at the range."
You mean something like this?

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...ght=taurus+850

Not everybody is a great writer or is as well versed in "gun board proceedure" as you may be. Maybe all he wanted to say is that his son bought a new gun and he is happy with it. Last time I checked that's allowed. My impression is that the OP came out here to state that he is happy with a new purchase not to submit an article to Guns and Ammo. What he wrote is fine by me as a simple first impression. Maybe he'll be kind enough to share more with us after he wrings it out better, despite the criticism.

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