Why GA's firing ranges are disappearing...

Hunley · August 16, 2009, 03:08 PM

I'm copying this from another forum I'm a member of. I was not the original poster, but I felt that this needed to be shared. The video link below is to a YouTube video of a few idiots demolishing the wooden target posts made by volunteers at a WMA range in northern GA. Please watch the whole thing.

If you see something like this... please stop it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZdK6Yqlqxw

Dr. Strangelove · August 16, 2009, 03:27 PM

That is exactly why most of the WMA ranges closed. Once almost every WMA had a range, now only a select few that are managed. If you are talking about the GON, I'm under the same name there and posted something about public ranges about a year ago.

It's a shame, but leave anything open to the public, and the idiots will soon ruin it for the rest of us.

salukigraves85 · August 16, 2009, 03:29 PM

I wish more ranges who do not have staff on duty would mount up some camera's. That way if idiots are dumb enough to do this stuff they will be caught.

P5 Guy · August 16, 2009, 03:31 PM

How? Their total disregard leads me to think I'd end up in the berm. Even politely asking them to stop would most likely not end well.

MLeake · August 16, 2009, 03:33 PM

... who smash their empty longnecks in kids' playgrounds.

Never did understand those people. They're like alien life forms.

oneounceload · August 16, 2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

These are probably the same people...
... who smash their empty longnecks in kids' playgrounds.

Never did understand those people. They're like alien life forms

And these are the same yahoos that the antis use to portray gun owners as, and most of us do nothing.

Hog Hunter · August 16, 2009, 04:11 PM

I live around the Valdosta are in Ga. and there is a few shooting ranges in the area . I myself have never been to one because i have the luxary of stepping out my back door and there is a berm. But i know what you are talking about with the "idiots" giving ethical hunters and gun owners a bad name.

Hunley · August 16, 2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

And these are the same yahoos that the antis use to portray gun owners as, and most of us do nothing.

That's my biggest concern. Crap like this hurts us all.

And yes Dr. Strangelove, it is GON. I use the same name there as well.

**Tom Servo** · August 16, 2009, 06:11 PM

The range is John's Mountain in Resaca. It's a good range.

Stuff like that is not only appallingly unsafe, it's the reason we have so few DNR ranges in Georgia. There used to be a great one in Jasper that closed down for exactly this sort of thing. I sometimes witnessed similar behavior there.

This is also why many municipalities are opposed to allowing zoning for outdoor ranges.

Quote:

I wish more ranges who do not have staff on duty would mount up some camera's.

Trust me, cameras would be the first thing to be shot.

MLeake · August 16, 2009, 06:15 PM

Although part of me worries it will attract yahoo trespassers, who will shoot high and pose a threat to our horses.

I think the odds of that are fairly low, though. And frankly, when hunting season hits the WMA adjacent to the property, stupid hunters will be a potential threat, berm or no.

RaisedByWolves · August 16, 2009, 07:33 PM

Heres more brilliance from them.

Draining gasoline into a street sewer.

Check at the 1min mark.

.

snipecatcher · August 16, 2009, 08:42 PM

I flagged it. Perhaps Youtube will take it down.

Kyo · August 16, 2009, 08:51 PM

i just go to bullseye and american classic marksman. idk where else to go? Conyers is a private place and they have no new members, and idk how I feel about mandatory meetings and such. Kinda far from me. I wish I could experience an outdoor range in GA. Would love it! Very unrealistic though, unless someone a bunch of us can finance one...

Farmland · August 16, 2009, 09:26 PM

He isn't the brightest light bulb in the world. In any event I'm pretty sure I found him. So if you want to report him this may help. There is a photo of him at the same range plus another one pointing a gun to his head.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...=615865&page=2

Kyo · August 16, 2009, 09:45 PM

im ashamed to say thats a P345 he's pointing at his stupid self. numnuts

jmr40 · August 16, 2009, 10:21 PM

I thought that looked like Johns Mt. WMA. I used to shoot there, but ran into a few idoits, nothing that bad. I know a few Game Wardens and I will make sure see the video. They caught some punks shooting waterfowl from a video they posted recently in Canada. Looks like some good video that should make it easy to catch someone.

**Tom Servo** · August 17, 2009, 12:58 AM

I can positively identify the one with the goatee who fires at the camera during the climax. I plan on contacting all ranges within the area, and an associate who works in his industry will be in contact with his employers.

A message has been sent to the DNR.

I would like to make one salient point, though:

This is the worst I've seen, but it didn't happen in a vacuum. I've noticed a shockingly cavalier attitude about safety among new shooters over the last three years or so.

We can blame their parents, we can blame John Woo movies, we can blame video games or fatty foods. The cause is irrelevant. It falls to us to break the cycle. There is no excuse for any sort of safety violation, no matter how minor.

It's our responsibility to correct this behaviour.

oneounceload · August 17, 2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

This is the worst I've seen, but it didn't happen in a vacuum. I've noticed a shockingly cavalier attitude about safety among new shooters over the last three years or so.

We can blame their parents, we can blame John Woo movies, we can blame video games or fatty foods. The cause is irrelevant. It falls to us to break the cycle. There is no excuse for any sort of safety violation, no matter how minor.

It's our responsibility to correct this behaviour.

Very true - I would imagine in this day and age of instant resets of video games, maybe they think they'll get a do-over.......it's not just guns - texting and driving etc., all show a blatant disregard for not only their own safety, but that of others around them.....

Tru Trak · August 17, 2009, 01:04 PM

I expected to see a bunch of young punks in this video, but they are not young and should definitly have been taught better. Here in Daytona a group of 5 punks showed up with an AR 15 and a few hand guns. They were rowdy and I thought very unfamiliar with the guns and I moved away. The Range Master kept going down range during the cease fires and I didn't know why. When the guys left I walked over and asked him and he was really ******. He said he was sure they were doing something wrong but couldn't tell from his vantage point. Come to find out, they were firing at the newly replaced 6x6 posts holdig up the baffles with the 223 rounds. They are no longer allowed at the range. It really irritates me to see bad behavior and no disipline in people today but it really scares me when weapons are involved. I agree we need to correct this ourselves one person at a time if possible.

ZeSpectre · August 17, 2009, 01:17 PM

Gaaaaa!
And I JUST posted this rant on vandalism.
Now I have to go find something to bring my blood pressure back down

Farmland · August 17, 2009, 02:29 PM

I'm lucky and seldom have to go to a public type of range. The benefits of having your own range. It isn't hard to find the guy who posted the video, all the contact info can be found on his my space page. I will leave that up to the Georgia people to do what they want to do.

But that brings me to a question. Would you really of wanted to try and stop these guys in person? They have no regard for laws. Heck they thought it was fun to put a hole is a gas tank and dry around a what looked like an industrial park to empty the tank so they could junk the car.

With the amount of ammunition and the way they were acting I'm not sure you would of walked out of that range. I certainly don't think I would have made an attempt, however I would of got the plate off of his red SUV and turned it in.

While a good stiff fine would be punishment I doubt it will change their behavior. I'm not sure if any laws were broken that would take away their firearms. Though if the police collected them for a few months it might make what they did settle in a little faster.

I never like going to a public range by myself. When I do if a crowd like this came I would exit pretty fast. However I have seen some good club type ranges shot all the heck too. I know the state ranges in my state prohibited auto rifles and limit all hand guns to 6 shells only in the magazine.

In a way it would be nice to see this one make the local TV news in Georgia. They would find them all that way.

hogdogs · August 17, 2009, 02:54 PM

I just got the Gordon County detectives on the trail and they may need our help...

Their IT guy may not be able to capture this. If I can get a copy from someone here, I will pass it on.

Here is the link to them if anyone here knows the names of any, feel free to call detective Barnett [sp]
http://www.gordoncounty.org/Departme...epartment.aspx
Brent

Farmland · August 17, 2009, 02:59 PM

Here is a good place to start, a lot of info on this page that could be good, note his SUV is on the page.

http://www.myspace.com/smokeys_automotive_help

hogdogs · August 17, 2009, 03:08 PM

YEP! I just sent Det. Burnett the link as I had just searched it up on google! These goons ain't so bright!
If any of you wish... Det. Burnette's Direct email if you can send him a "ripped" version of the youtube vid.
[email protected]
Tell him Brent C. sent ya. And I also got him aware of us at TFL.
Brent

IamHenryBowman · August 17, 2009, 03:15 PM

So much blatant disregard for safety. Stupid.

August 16, 2009, 03:08 PM	#1
Hunley Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Location: Statesboro, GA Posts: 241	Why GA's firing ranges are disappearing... I'm copying this from another forum I'm a member of. I was not the original poster, but I felt that this needed to be shared. The video link below is to a YouTube video of a few idiots demolishing the wooden target posts made by volunteers at a WMA range in northern GA. Please watch the whole thing. If you see something like this... please stop it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZdK6Yqlqxw __________________ "The best caliber and round for self defense are the ones in the gun closest to you" - My Grandfather

August 16, 2009, 03:29 PM	#3
salukigraves85 Junior Member Join Date: March 18, 2008 Location: Western Illinois Posts: 5	I wish more ranges who do not have staff on duty would mount up some camera's. That way if idiots are dumb enough to do this stuff they will be caught. __________________ Graves

August 16, 2009, 03:31 PM	#4
P5 Guy Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 1,804	Stop Them? How? Their total disregard leads me to think I'd end up in the berm. Even politely asking them to stop would most likely not end well.

August 16, 2009, 03:33 PM	#5
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	These are probably the same people... ... who smash their empty longnecks in kids' playgrounds. Never did understand those people. They're like alien life forms.

August 16, 2009, 06:15 PM	#10
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	I really need to set up that berm on our place... Although part of me worries it will attract yahoo trespassers, who will shoot high and pose a threat to our horses. I think the odds of that are fairly low, though. And frankly, when hunting season hits the WMA adjacent to the property, stupid hunters will be a potential threat, berm or no.

August 16, 2009, 03:27 PM	#2
Dr. Strangelove Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2008 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 1,436	That is exactly why most of the WMA ranges closed. Once almost every WMA had a range, now only a select few that are managed. If you are talking about the GON, I'm under the same name there and posted something about public ranges about a year ago. It's a shame, but leave anything open to the public, and the idiots will soon ruin it for the rest of us.

August 16, 2009, 04:11 PM	#7
Hog Hunter Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 386	I live around the Valdosta are in Ga. and there is a few shooting ranges in the area . I myself have never been to one because i have the luxary of stepping out my back door and there is a berm. But i know what you are talking about with the "idiots" giving ethical hunters and gun owners a bad name.

August 16, 2009, 07:33 PM	#11
RaisedByWolves Member Join Date: November 27, 2008 Posts: 48	Heres more brilliance from them. Draining gasoline into a street sewer. Check at the 1min mark. .

August 16, 2009, 08:42 PM	#12
snipecatcher Senior Member Join Date: February 1, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 314	I flagged it. Perhaps Youtube will take it down.

August 16, 2009, 08:51 PM	#13
Kyo Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Posts: 897	i just go to bullseye and american classic marksman. idk where else to go? Conyers is a private place and they have no new members, and idk how I feel about mandatory meetings and such. Kinda far from me. I wish I could experience an outdoor range in GA. Would love it! Very unrealistic though, unless someone a bunch of us can finance one...

August 16, 2009, 09:26 PM	#14
Farmland Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Posts: 869	He isn't the brightest light bulb in the world. In any event I'm pretty sure I found him. So if you want to report him this may help. There is a photo of him at the same range plus another one pointing a gun to his head. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...=615865&page=2

August 16, 2009, 09:45 PM	#15
Kyo Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Posts: 897	im ashamed to say thats a P345 he's pointing at his stupid self. numnuts

August 16, 2009, 10:21 PM	#16
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,803	I thought that looked like Johns Mt. WMA. I used to shoot there, but ran into a few idoits, nothing that bad. I know a few Game Wardens and I will make sure see the video. They caught some punks shooting waterfowl from a video they posted recently in Canada. Looks like some good video that should make it easy to catch someone.

August 17, 2009, 12:58 AM	#17
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	I can positively identify the one with the goatee who fires at the camera during the climax. I plan on contacting all ranges within the area, and an associate who works in his industry will be in contact with his employers. A message has been sent to the DNR. I would like to make one salient point, though: This is the worst I've seen, but it didn't happen in a vacuum. I've noticed a shockingly cavalier attitude about safety among new shooters over the last three years or so. We can blame their parents, we can blame John Woo movies, we can blame video games or fatty foods. The cause is irrelevant. It falls to us to break the cycle. There is no excuse for any sort of safety violation, no matter how minor. It's our responsibility to correct this behaviour. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

August 17, 2009, 01:04 PM	#19
Tru Trak Member Join Date: December 11, 2008 Posts: 45	I expected to see a bunch of young punks in this video, but they are not young and should definitly have been taught better. Here in Daytona a group of 5 punks showed up with an AR 15 and a few hand guns. They were rowdy and I thought very unfamiliar with the guns and I moved away. The Range Master kept going down range during the cease fires and I didn't know why. When the guys left I walked over and asked him and he was really ******. He said he was sure they were doing something wrong but couldn't tell from his vantage point. Come to find out, they were firing at the newly replaced 6x6 posts holdig up the baffles with the 223 rounds. They are no longer allowed at the range. It really irritates me to see bad behavior and no disipline in people today but it really scares me when weapons are involved. I agree we need to correct this ourselves one person at a time if possible. __________________ "Reserved behavior may take longer to make a first impression, but will always beat the rushed alternative" Larry

August 17, 2009, 01:17 PM	#20
ZeSpectre Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2007 Location: Shenandoah Valley Posts: 3,276	Gaaaaa! And I JUST posted this rant on vandalism. Now I have to go find something to bring my blood pressure back down __________________ "The dogs may bark but the caravan moves on"

August 17, 2009, 02:29 PM	#21
Farmland Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Posts: 869	I'm lucky and seldom have to go to a public type of range. The benefits of having your own range. It isn't hard to find the guy who posted the video, all the contact info can be found on his my space page. I will leave that up to the Georgia people to do what they want to do. But that brings me to a question. Would you really of wanted to try and stop these guys in person? They have no regard for laws. Heck they thought it was fun to put a hole is a gas tank and dry around a what looked like an industrial park to empty the tank so they could junk the car. With the amount of ammunition and the way they were acting I'm not sure you would of walked out of that range. I certainly don't think I would have made an attempt, however I would of got the plate off of his red SUV and turned it in. While a good stiff fine would be punishment I doubt it will change their behavior. I'm not sure if any laws were broken that would take away their firearms. Though if the police collected them for a few months it might make what they did settle in a little faster. I never like going to a public range by myself. When I do if a crowd like this came I would exit pretty fast. However I have seen some good club type ranges shot all the heck too. I know the state ranges in my state prohibited auto rifles and limit all hand guns to 6 shells only in the magazine. In a way it would be nice to see this one make the local TV news in Georgia. They would find them all that way.

August 17, 2009, 02:54 PM	#22
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	I just got the Gordon County detectives on the trail and they may need our help... Their IT guy may not be able to capture this. If I can get a copy from someone here, I will pass it on. Here is the link to them if anyone here knows the names of any, feel free to call detective Barnett [sp] http://www.gordoncounty.org/Departme...epartment.aspx Brent

August 17, 2009, 02:59 PM	#23
Farmland Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Posts: 869	Here is a good place to start, a lot of info on this page that could be good, note his SUV is on the page. http://www.myspace.com/smokeys_automotive_help

August 17, 2009, 03:08 PM	#24
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	YEP! I just sent Det. Burnett the link as I had just searched it up on google! These goons ain't so bright! If any of you wish... Det. Burnette's Direct email if you can send him a "ripped" version of the youtube vid. [email protected] Tell him Brent C. sent ya. And I also got him aware of us at TFL. Brent

August 17, 2009, 03:15 PM	#25
IamHenryBowman Member Join Date: August 14, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 36	So much blatant disregard for safety. Stupid. __________________ whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government"

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