Has anyone heard or know anything about this gun...? - Page 2

EdInk · December 3, 2009, 09:32 AM

There is your answer.

Venom1956 · December 3, 2009, 10:24 AM

Damn! Lord of War beat me to it! Here is a link for what its worth. Its a glock for all intents and purposes.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg219-e.htm

wilkup · December 3, 2009, 11:54 AM

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The one in the picture is AKDAAL GHOST a Turkish made clone of Glock.

Good pistol.

Do you have any other information on this weapon? Have you owned/shot one before?

OcSpeed · December 3, 2009, 12:01 PM

Interesting, I kinda like the look.

CD's name is usually found on crap, so because he's involved I'd be wary. Maybe it's a good Glock knock off, and if so it would be a fun gun.

wilkup · December 3, 2009, 04:06 PM

I think this is the CD version...?

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/58254

aarondhgraham · December 3, 2009, 04:53 PM

I clicked on the "Firearms Photos" link at the top of this page,,,
I came up with this link and it seems to be the one you have pictured.

I hope this helps you,,,
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../3300/3385.htm

Aarond

LUPUS · December 3, 2009, 06:08 PM

The pistol is manufactured by AKDAL in Turkey. It resembles the Glock and the Walther P99. The size is approximately just like a G17. The barrel lock up, trigger bar and firing pin safety lever, takedown lever and prosedure, magazine catch lever and its spring, slide catch lever and its spring, striker, its spring and sleeves are just like the Glock, but the other internals are a little bit different.

The frame rails are seperate parts and are not molded in to the frame,
The trigger spring is located in the trigger itself,
There is a seperate sear in the frame located in the trigger group,
The trigger bar detent plate and its spring are also a seperate parts,
The pistol has a single action-only trigger system,
The extrator and its spring are in their traditional arrengement, similar to P99,
Unfortunately the magazines are not interchangeable with Glock mags.

LordofWar · December 3, 2009, 06:26 PM

Yes. I bought one and fired about 2000 rounds in a single day without a single hiccup. Accuracy is at par with the Glock. I found recoil to be consideraby lower than a Glock 19.

It's also in use by the Turkish special forces.

LUPUS · December 3, 2009, 06:37 PM

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It's also in use by the Turkish special forces.

I must say that this information is completely wrong. TSFs' main pistol is the SIG Sauer P226 while they can choose any kind of sidearm according to the mission. The regular service pistol was the Beretta 92 in the Turkish Armed Forces for a while which is replaced by mainly Sarsılmaz pistols followed by the Yavuz pistols manufactured by GİRSAN which are also another Beretta 92 knock off and the Zigana pistols manufactured by TİSAŞ. But none of the pistols manufactured by AKDAL are accepted in service until now.

Regards.

sserdlihc · December 3, 2009, 07:58 PM

The picture Lupus posted looks alot better. It doesn't look cheap at all. Looks like a nice handgun. The 02 slide is different and it has adjustable backstrap. Not bad looking at all. I am now interested.

wilkup · December 3, 2009, 08:09 PM

LUPUS:

Do you own this gun? I'm wondering what you think of it and if you have fired it? I like the pics of it's evolution and what it looks like broken down. Thanks for your help.

Also, after hearing that Charles Daily is known for sub par products - Is your gun from them and if so... What's your take on it?

varoadking · December 3, 2009, 08:43 PM

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Not knowing that much about Charles Daily...

Daly...and they are well known as purveyors of crap...

LUPUS · December 3, 2009, 08:49 PM

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Do you own this gun? I'm wondering what you think of it and if you have fired it?

I do not own this pistol, but I had a chance to fire once when it is first introduced. The first prototypes had some bugs concerning the finish, magazine catch lever and trigger pull quality that had to be worked out. But the pistol has been evolving since then and as I heard from the owners of the recent examples, they are satisfactorly reliable with much better trigger pulls and finish. But since I did not have a chance to examine and shoot the recent examples, I can not give any comment from the first hand.

north · December 4, 2009, 02:14 AM

I had some experiance with new CD9. As a drawback, trigger pulling feels may effect the user first. As positive aspect its ergonomy. On the other hand, when the US market will meet the CD9, I'll be waiting detailed feedbacks with thousends of different type ammos.

Te Anau · December 5, 2009, 03:22 PM

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CD's name is usually found on crap, so because he's involved I'd be wary

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Daly...and they are well known as purveyors of crap...

I totally disagree.Charles Daly has imported some very nice guns in recent memory.I dare you to tell me that both of my DDA's are "crap" or say anything else bad about them.I have one in .45acp & one in .40S&W and both have been excellent guns and are well made.CD's recent imports of the TZ-99 clone and Hi-Power copy are excellent guns as well.To put out a blanket statement claiming that anything with Charles Daly on it is "crap" is ridiculous.

Dust Monkey · December 5, 2009, 04:45 PM

CD imports the Bul M5 double stack 1911. That M5 was so much a piece of crap that Kimber bought the lowers to make their double stack from. Just because CD "imports" a product does not mean it's a bad product.

I remember when glocks came out. The same things said about the Ghost was said about glock. Glock lovers are just peeved that other gun companies are taking the polymer route and expanding on it while the basic design of a glock has not changed.

Makers like walther with the P99, HK with the HK45/P30, and SW with the MP series will continue to draw more customers due to the options in backstraps and better ergonomics.

Threeman · December 5, 2009, 04:53 PM

I like the fact that it doesn't have the word tactical on it.

"Ghost" now that's a cool name.

gyvel · December 5, 2009, 04:54 PM

Ask yourself this one question: Would you buy a car made in Turkey?

wilkup · December 6, 2009, 09:37 PM

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Ask yourself this one question: Would you buy a car made in Turkey?

I'm failing to see the parallel between cars manufactured in Turkey verses firearms... Is there really any possible way to make such a comparison?

I'm actually on neither side as far as the firearms quality from this manufacturer, but I would expect that anyone who offers their opinion actually presents themself with a logical and sound argument; not argumentative comments or blanket statements just to get their two cents in.

DocDizz · December 6, 2009, 09:50 PM

What's the big deal? A ton of people love plastic guns that are made in Croatia (see XD). Maybe if Smith & Wesson were to start importing it as the XXX-DD it, too, would have a cult following?

In all honesty, I'll sit on the sidelines. I'm content with my metal guns and their primitive "DA/SA and SA" mechanisms, that are even so primitive as to use a HAMMER.

gyvel · December 7, 2009, 04:39 AM

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I'm failing to see the parallel between cars manufactured in Turkey verses firearms... Is there really any possible way to make such a comparison?

The parallel is that you are buying something from a country that has less-than-stellar industrial capability.

earlthegoat2 · December 7, 2009, 05:14 AM

Who cares about if anyone has heard of this pistol. Has anyone heard of this?

This was from the Wikipedia entry linked at the beginning of the thread.

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The rounds in the magazine are double stacked which means that they are less likely to jam, as sometimes occurs in fully loaded single stacked magazines, due to increased pressure on the spring.

What??

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CD's name is usually found on crap, so because he's involved I'd be wary

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Daly...and they are well known as purveyors of crap...

As a general rule this is true of all manufactures and importers. There are some good but mostly bad firearms from all of them. In CDs case they imported some excellent Miroku made shotguns as well as some very good BHP clones that were actually assembled and fitted by Dan Wesson and Magnum research. They imported the Jercho/Baby Eagle family of pistols for a time as well as an Isreali made polymer framed 1911. (it was a good gun but you know how poly 1911s go).

I tend to think of Charles Daly as an importer responsible for bringing lesser known but still quality firearms into this country. Like I said earlier though, most of their stuff is crap but so is Smith and Wesson's.

team101 · December 8, 2009, 02:11 AM

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I love how the Glock fans call it cheap looking and would not buy one The ergonomics are far superior to Glock.

That is subjective. I think most would buy a Glock over this piece simply because the Glock is a proven design, has a huge selection of aftermarket accessories, excellent factory support, and Glock will most likely be around in 5, 10, 20 years while this thing may be the Yugo of the gun world in a few years.

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What's the big deal? A ton of people love plastic guns that are made in Croatia (see XD).

How loved was the XD when is wasn't the XD. The nearly identical HS2000 commonly sold for 299.00 and was a pretty big failure on the US market. Stamp it Springfield XD, raise the pice $200, and it is a hit? Gotta love branding and marketing.

HKFan9 · December 8, 2009, 05:12 PM

I'm a pretty strong believer in you pay for what you get. I would spend the extra money and go with a trusted big name company such as Glock. Why? because who knows how long this other company will be in business for? Who knows how to work on these guns? Who keeps parts in stock for them? Can you walk into a local store and get holsters/Mag's for this weapon?

And I'm not a Glock cult follower, I own 1 G17 that fills what I needed it to.

DocDizz · December 8, 2009, 10:45 PM

Everybody knows that when you spend more on something it's going to be better, right?

My Kimber that I paid $700 for had FAR more problems than the piece of **** CHEAP $500 CZ I traded it for, which has yet to give me a problem on par with anything that happened with the Kimber).

And really, what's Charles Daly doing so much worse than EAA?

December 3, 2009, 09:32 AM	#26
EdInk Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2009 Posts: 3,968	There is your answer. __________________ Sic Semper Tyrannis

December 3, 2009, 04:53 PM	#31
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	This might help you,,, I clicked on the "Firearms Photos" link at the top of this page,,, I came up with this link and it seems to be the one you have pictured. I hope this helps you,,, http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../3300/3385.htm Aarond

December 3, 2009, 06:08 PM	#32
LUPUS Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2007 Posts: 463	The pistol is manufactured by AKDAL in Turkey. It resembles the Glock and the Walther P99. The size is approximately just like a G17. The barrel lock up, trigger bar and firing pin safety lever, takedown lever and prosedure, magazine catch lever and its spring, slide catch lever and its spring, striker, its spring and sleeves are just like the Glock, but the other internals are a little bit different. The frame rails are seperate parts and are not molded in to the frame, The trigger spring is located in the trigger itself, There is a seperate sear in the frame located in the trigger group, The trigger bar detent plate and its spring are also a seperate parts, The pistol has a single action-only trigger system, The extrator and its spring are in their traditional arrengement, similar to P99, Unfortunately the magazines are not interchangeable with Glock mags. Last edited by LUPUS; December 3, 2009 at 09:20 PM.

December 3, 2009, 07:58 PM	#35
sserdlihc Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2008 Location: S.C. Posts: 1,454	The picture Lupus posted looks alot better. It doesn't look cheap at all. Looks like a nice handgun. The 02 slide is different and it has adjustable backstrap. Not bad looking at all. I am now interested. __________________ Familiarity breeds contempt, while rarity wins admiration. Aupleius If someone doesn't like you, that's their problem! Milton Childress

December 5, 2009, 04:45 PM	#41
Dust Monkey Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 723	CD imports the Bul M5 double stack 1911. That M5 was so much a piece of crap that Kimber bought the lowers to make their double stack from. Just because CD "imports" a product does not mean it's a bad product. I remember when glocks came out. The same things said about the Ghost was said about glock. Glock lovers are just peeved that other gun companies are taking the polymer route and expanding on it while the basic design of a glock has not changed. Makers like walther with the P99, HK with the HK45/P30, and SW with the MP series will continue to draw more customers due to the options in backstraps and better ergonomics. __________________ Civilian Date: 14 Century 1 : a specialist in Roman or modern civil law. If you are not subject to the UCMJ, you are a Civilian. I don't care one bit what updated dictionaries say.

December 3, 2009, 10:24 AM	#27
Venom1956 Senior Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 3,656	Damn! Lord of War beat me to it! Here is a link for what its worth. Its a glock for all intents and purposes. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg219-e.htm

December 3, 2009, 12:01 PM	#29
OcSpeed Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: the greater unknown Posts: 123	Interesting, I kinda like the look. CD's name is usually found on crap, so because he's involved I'd be wary. Maybe it's a good Glock knock off, and if so it would be a fun gun.

December 3, 2009, 04:06 PM	#30
wilkup Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Pacific North West Posts: 190	I think this is the CD version...? http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/58254

December 3, 2009, 06:26 PM	#33
LordofWar Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Location: Pakistan Posts: 646	Yes. I bought one and fired about 2000 rounds in a single day without a single hiccup. Accuracy is at par with the Glock. I found recoil to be consideraby lower than a Glock 19. It's also in use by the Turkish special forces.

December 3, 2009, 08:09 PM	#36
wilkup Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Pacific North West Posts: 190	LUPUS: Do you own this gun? I'm wondering what you think of it and if you have fired it? I like the pics of it's evolution and what it looks like broken down. Thanks for your help. Also, after hearing that Charles Daily is known for sub par products - Is your gun from them and if so... What's your take on it?

December 4, 2009, 02:14 AM	#39
north Junior Member Join Date: July 3, 2009 Posts: 5	I had some experiance with new CD9. As a drawback, trigger pulling feels may effect the user first. As positive aspect its ergonomy. On the other hand, when the US market will meet the CD9, I'll be waiting detailed feedbacks with thousends of different type ammos.

December 5, 2009, 04:53 PM	#42
Threeman Junior Member Join Date: September 24, 2008 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 13	I like the fact that it doesn't have the word tactical on it. "Ghost" now that's a cool name.

December 5, 2009, 04:54 PM	#43
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	Ask yourself this one question: Would you buy a car made in Turkey?

December 6, 2009, 09:50 PM	#45
DocDizz Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2008 Posts: 257	What's the big deal? A ton of people love plastic guns that are made in Croatia (see XD). Maybe if Smith & Wesson were to start importing it as the XXX-DD it, too, would have a cult following? In all honesty, I'll sit on the sidelines. I'm content with my metal guns and their primitive "DA/SA and SA" mechanisms, that are even so primitive as to use a HAMMER.

December 8, 2009, 05:12 PM	#49
HKFan9 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Posts: 3,057	I'm a pretty strong believer in you pay for what you get. I would spend the extra money and go with a trusted big name company such as Glock. Why? because who knows how long this other company will be in business for? Who knows how to work on these guns? Who keeps parts in stock for them? Can you walk into a local store and get holsters/Mag's for this weapon? And I'm not a Glock cult follower, I own 1 G17 that fills what I needed it to.

December 8, 2009, 10:45 PM	#50
DocDizz Senior Member Join Date: August 17, 2008 Posts: 257	Everybody knows that when you spend more on something it's going to be better, right? My Kimber that I paid $700 for had FAR more problems than the piece of **** CHEAP $500 CZ I traded it for, which has yet to give me a problem on par with anything that happened with the Kimber). And really, what's Charles Daly doing so much worse than EAA?