(PI) Cops who flunk test on guns to get bolos

Drizzt · June 12, 2001, 01:08 PM

I guess this is why Aby Sayyaf has such an easy time taking American hostages.......

Cops who flunk test on guns to get bolos

CEBU -- Policemen in Cebu Province will undergo a firearm efficiency test to see how good their aims are.

Those who flunk will end up carrying bolos. Their firearms will be distributed among the 317 Cebu Provincial Police Office (CPPO) personnel, who have no weapon, said CPPO Director Jose Salvacion.

"For confidence-building, everybody will undergo the firearm efficiency test to see whether or not they are experts, sharpshooters, or marksmen. Me, I'm just a marksman. If they fail, I will withdraw their firearms and issue them bolos because they could only be rated as bolo men," he said.

Salvacion and his staff conceived of the plan after the Tabogon incident, where a policeman failed to disable a drug addict who stole two armalite rifles from the police station because he had no confidence in using his .38 revolver.

Salvacion said the policeman could have at least disabled the person by shooting him in the legs and in so doing prevented the wounding of four people, including the suspect.

"He did not have the confidence to tell the suspect to stop because he was not confident with his revolver. Sabi pa nga niya sa akin ay dahil revolver lang daw ang dala niya. Imbis na maawa lalo pa akong nagalit."

Salvacion said he also wants to know whether his men's guns are still in firing condition, after seeing a Bohol policeman's gun jam several times during the Police Regional Office (PRO) 7 shootfest last month.

"I'm sure some policemen have not had the opportunity to fire their firearms for several years already," he said.

The policemen will be rated experts, sharpshooters, or marksmen, according to their firing skills.

Experts are those who hit 90 percent of the targets; sharpshooters, 85 percent; marksmen, 80 percent.

Those who fail the test will have to trade their service firearms for bolos.

Salvacion said they have already chosen a very good spot at the abandoned Cebu State College of Science and Technology-College of Agriculture campus, located some 150 meters away from the headquarters in Sudlon, Lahug to serve as a firing range site.

He has also started canvassing for spent tires that can be used as protective barriers at the firing range.

For starters, CPPO will form men and women's teams to join the Regional Director's Cup shooting competition at Tambuli Beach Resort on June 14, 15, and 16.

He said the plan is not meant to embarrass some policemen, but simply to make sure that they are capable of using their own service firearms when the need arises.

"Just like in Tabogon, you can never tell what will happen," Salvacion said. RHM

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pooled_rep...6122001-2.html

Kharn · June 12, 2001, 01:23 PM

And if this standard was applied to America, how large would the Cosco ship have to be that brings in the shipment of evil, black, tactical Mall-Ninja Brand bolos?

I think it would be damn big.

Kharn

Seeker · June 12, 2001, 02:17 PM

Bolo?

Three weights on a three strings thrown at the suspect?

Or Bolo as in machete?

Jason Demond · June 12, 2001, 04:19 PM

That is kind of funny in a way.

45King · June 12, 2001, 04:44 PM

Don't underestimate the power of primitive weapons.

Bolos, when properly used, can kill humans and even larger animals. They are also good for "restraint at distance."

Australian war boomerangs can kill at incredible distances. The record for distance throwing of a boom was set using a war boom (approx. 3 feet long,) and it sailed in excess of 600 yds.
The Aboriginies were a clever people. When their enemies discovered they could ward off the booms by simply holding a spear vertically in front of them, the Abs devised a simple "fix" for that problem. They would carve a hook onto one end of the boom, and when it hit the spear, it would slide along the spear until the hook engaged. Then it would swing around the spear and crush the skull of the spearholder.

I'd rather have a good rifle backed by a good pistol any day, though.

thumbtack · June 12, 2001, 04:48 PM

It's not funny if you get stuck with a Bolo.

croyance · June 12, 2001, 06:29 PM

Bolos in the hands of untrained people can be messy. It chops easily through bone, muscle, and tendons. If a person is not familiar with the bolo, it can be their leg being chopped into.

Dave R · June 12, 2001, 06:35 PM

So, do they have to qualify for accuracy with the bolo, too?

Safe bolo-handling?

BMWGS80 · June 12, 2001, 06:59 PM

The Bolo/Parang/Keris and drugs are the main reason that the US Army went back to the .45 from the .38 and kept that gun in the arsenal for so many years.

For a safty thread go to the khukri thread on Bladeforums.com.

The flat and spine of a Bolo makes a good impact weapon, without the need to dismember the perp. Also good for those Carabo steaks

.

Sounds like a good market for John Farnam.

Cheers,

ts

June 12, 2001, 07:36 PM

I think it's a great idea. A normal citizen that can't qualify (in many states) does not get a permit to carry. Why should it be any different for the police? Or do we want more citizens shot in their own homes on "accident"?

mrat · June 13, 2001, 01:01 AM

Posted by preservefreedom,
"I think it's a great idea. A normal citizen that can't qualify (in many states) does not get a permit to carry. Why should it be any different for the police? Or do we want more citizens shot in their own homes on "accident"?"

Ummm, you realize this article is about another country?

All LEOs in the USA have to qualify to be able to carry their firearms, including offduty weapons. Most states have a minimum qualification course as a standard and also dictates how many times a year the LEOs must qualify. I personally do not know of a department that does not exceed these minimum qualifications, although I am sure that there are some that just meet the minimum.

June 13, 2001, 01:12 AM

Yes, I am aware of this. Nobody should be a hired gun on any streets of any country if he or she can't perform with his or her firearm.

ATeaM · June 13, 2001, 02:13 AM

"Sabi pa nga niya sa akin ay dahil revolver lang daw ang dala niya. Imbis na maawa lalo pa akong nagalit."

My thoughts exactly.

**Long Path** · June 13, 2001, 10:17 PM

You noticed that, too, eh, Ateam?

So rare that you hear the Cebu's native toungue, 'round here...

BTW, minimum state requirements are pitifully easy to make. Having just been certified last week as a police Range Safety Officer to do police qualifications throughout the state of Texas, I can tell you that I could legally set up a course of fire in which you fired 20 rounds slow fire from 15 yards untimed, fired 6, reloaded, fired 6 more over 1 minute at 5 yards, and fired 18 rounds more at 3 yards, and made 70%. Sickening, no?
--L.P.

Phil Ca · June 14, 2001, 08:52 AM

Walang pawis kaibigan! When I was in the P.I. I saw several cops with verdigris on their bullets carried on their belt loops. They would be hard pressed to get the cartridges out of the loops in a pinch. I saw one cop near Clark Field when I was on R & R from RVN,who had a nickel plated .45. It also had verdigris on it and I doubt the slide would function.

Gabe · June 14, 2001, 02:09 PM

Why don't they just give all cops bolos? Typical needlessly complicated beauracratic thinking.

June 12, 2001, 01:08 PM	#1
Drizzt Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2000 Location: Going Out of My Head at a Rapid Pace..... Posts: 2,511	(PI) Cops who flunk test on guns to get bolos I guess this is why Aby Sayyaf has such an easy time taking American hostages....... Cops who flunk test on guns to get bolos CEBU -- Policemen in Cebu Province will undergo a firearm efficiency test to see how good their aims are. Those who flunk will end up carrying bolos. Their firearms will be distributed among the 317 Cebu Provincial Police Office (CPPO) personnel, who have no weapon, said CPPO Director Jose Salvacion. "For confidence-building, everybody will undergo the firearm efficiency test to see whether or not they are experts, sharpshooters, or marksmen. Me, I'm just a marksman. If they fail, I will withdraw their firearms and issue them bolos because they could only be rated as bolo men," he said. Salvacion and his staff conceived of the plan after the Tabogon incident, where a policeman failed to disable a drug addict who stole two armalite rifles from the police station because he had no confidence in using his .38 revolver. Salvacion said the policeman could have at least disabled the person by shooting him in the legs and in so doing prevented the wounding of four people, including the suspect. "He did not have the confidence to tell the suspect to stop because he was not confident with his revolver. Sabi pa nga niya sa akin ay dahil revolver lang daw ang dala niya. Imbis na maawa lalo pa akong nagalit." Salvacion said he also wants to know whether his men's guns are still in firing condition, after seeing a Bohol policeman's gun jam several times during the Police Regional Office (PRO) 7 shootfest last month. "I'm sure some policemen have not had the opportunity to fire their firearms for several years already," he said. The policemen will be rated experts, sharpshooters, or marksmen, according to their firing skills. Experts are those who hit 90 percent of the targets; sharpshooters, 85 percent; marksmen, 80 percent. Those who fail the test will have to trade their service firearms for bolos. Salvacion said they have already chosen a very good spot at the abandoned Cebu State College of Science and Technology-College of Agriculture campus, located some 150 meters away from the headquarters in Sudlon, Lahug to serve as a firing range site. He has also started canvassing for spent tires that can be used as protective barriers at the firing range. For starters, CPPO will form men and women's teams to join the Regional Director's Cup shooting competition at Tambuli Beach Resort on June 14, 15, and 16. He said the plan is not meant to embarrass some policemen, but simply to make sure that they are capable of using their own service firearms when the need arises. "Just like in Tabogon, you can never tell what will happen," Salvacion said. RHM http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pooled_rep...6122001-2.html

June 12, 2001, 02:17 PM	#3
Seeker Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2001 Location: Lacomb, Oregon Posts: 1,369	Bolo? Three weights on a three strings thrown at the suspect? Or Bolo as in machete? __________________ Molon Labe Seeker "The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed." --Thomas Jefferson Don't Tread On Me! "Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none" -- Thomas Jefferson In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us. -Thich Nhat Hanh

June 12, 2001, 04:19 PM	#4
Jason Demond Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 1999 Location: Hastings, Michigan Posts: 1,845	That is kind of funny in a way. __________________ "ACCEPT NOTHING LESS THAN FULL VICTORY!" General Dwight D. Eisenhower June 6, 1944 ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

June 12, 2001, 04:44 PM	#5
45King Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 1999 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,035	Don't underestimate the power of primitive weapons. Bolos, when properly used, can kill humans and even larger animals. They are also good for "restraint at distance." Australian war boomerangs can kill at incredible distances. The record for distance throwing of a boom was set using a war boom (approx. 3 feet long,) and it sailed in excess of 600 yds. The Aboriginies were a clever people. When their enemies discovered they could ward off the booms by simply holding a spear vertically in front of them, the Abs devised a simple "fix" for that problem. They would carve a hook onto one end of the boom, and when it hit the spear, it would slide along the spear until the hook engaged. Then it would swing around the spear and crush the skull of the spearholder. I'd rather have a good rifle backed by a good pistol any day, though. __________________ Shoot straight, stay safe, and have a blessed day. Regards, Richard Freedom is a consequence of the exercising of rights.

June 12, 2001, 04:48 PM	#6
thumbtack Senior Member Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: The Big Town of Little Elm, Texas Posts: 707	It's not funny if you get stuck with a Bolo. __________________ Cry Havoc, and let slip the dogs of war

June 12, 2001, 01:23 PM	#2
Kharn Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,532	And if this standard was applied to America, how large would the Cosco ship have to be that brings in the shipment of evil, black, tactical Mall-Ninja Brand bolos? I think it would be damn big. Kharn

June 12, 2001, 06:29 PM	#7
croyance Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2001 Posts: 3,604	Bolos in the hands of untrained people can be messy. It chops easily through bone, muscle, and tendons. If a person is not familiar with the bolo, it can be their leg being chopped into.

June 12, 2001, 06:35 PM	#8
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,405	So, do they have to qualify for accuracy with the bolo, too? Safe bolo-handling?

June 12, 2001, 06:59 PM	#9
BMWGS80 Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 288	The Bolo/Parang/Keris and drugs are the main reason that the US Army went back to the .45 from the .38 and kept that gun in the arsenal for so many years. For a safty thread go to the khukri thread on Bladeforums.com. The flat and spine of a Bolo makes a good impact weapon, without the need to dismember the perp. Also good for those Carabo steaks . Sounds like a good market for John Farnam. Cheers, ts

June 12, 2001, 07:36 PM	#10
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	I think it's a great idea. A normal citizen that can't qualify (in many states) does not get a permit to carry. Why should it be any different for the police? Or do we want more citizens shot in their own homes on "accident"?

June 13, 2001, 01:01 AM	#11
mrat Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2000 Posts: 864	Posted by preservefreedom, "I think it's a great idea. A normal citizen that can't qualify (in many states) does not get a permit to carry. Why should it be any different for the police? Or do we want more citizens shot in their own homes on "accident"?" Ummm, you realize this article is about another country? All LEOs in the USA have to qualify to be able to carry their firearms, including offduty weapons. Most states have a minimum qualification course as a standard and also dictates how many times a year the LEOs must qualify. I personally do not know of a department that does not exceed these minimum qualifications, although I am sure that there are some that just meet the minimum.

June 13, 2001, 01:12 AM	#12
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	Yes, I am aware of this. Nobody should be a hired gun on any streets of any country if he or she can't perform with his or her firearm.

June 13, 2001, 02:13 AM	#13
ATeaM Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2001 Posts: 601	"Sabi pa nga niya sa akin ay dahil revolver lang daw ang dala niya. Imbis na maawa lalo pa akong nagalit." My thoughts exactly.

June 13, 2001, 10:17 PM	#14
Long Path Staff Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,865	You noticed that, too, eh, Ateam? So rare that you hear the Cebu's native toungue, 'round here... BTW, minimum state requirements are pitifully easy to make. Having just been certified last week as a police Range Safety Officer to do police qualifications throughout the state of Texas, I can tell you that I could legally set up a course of fire in which you fired 20 rounds slow fire from 15 yards untimed, fired 6, reloaded, fired 6 more over 1 minute at 5 yards, and fired 18 rounds more at 3 yards, and made 70%. Sickening, no? --L.P. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________ Better and Better, the blog. _____

June 14, 2001, 08:52 AM	#15
Phil Ca Senior Member Join Date: October 5, 2000 Location: Central Valley, PRK Posts: 238	Walang pawis kaibigan! When I was in the P.I. I saw several cops with verdigris on their bullets carried on their belt loops. They would be hard pressed to get the cartridges out of the loops in a pinch. I saw one cop near Clark Field when I was on R & R from RVN,who had a nickel plated .45. It also had verdigris on it and I doubt the slide would function.

June 14, 2001, 02:09 PM	#16
Gabe Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2001 Posts: 147	Why don't they just give all cops bolos? Typical needlessly complicated beauracratic thinking.