General Motors in bed with U.N Disarmament Conference?

[C.R.Sam]

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June 28, 2001

ALERT: General Motors Anti-Gun?

We are passing on this exchange of letters with the management
of General Motors that was passed-on to us by David Codrea:

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Thu, 28 Jun 2001

Dear Mr. Zelman,

The following is on topic with the upcoming UN disarmament
conference, in that the subject "gun sculpture" will be
appearing there.* I hope you agree that JPFO members deserve
to know about the General Motors position on this issue,
explained in the following by official* GM representatives.

Best regards,
David Codrea

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GM and the Gun Sculpture
by David Codrea

codrea4@earthlink.net

An internationalist anti-gun sculpture was recently presented
at the GM Court at the Canadian War Museum, and will soon be
headed for American soil.

What follow are some of my correspondences with GM officials.
I hope after reading this, you will decide to also contact GM
with your concerns, and let them know that while they are free
to engage in social activism,* we are free to be customers of
people who are not abetting UN efforts to destroy our rights.
GM Corporate snail mail, the GM Canada website link, and the
GM PR Director edress are included in the following thread to
facilitate this.

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General Motors Corporation
300 Renaissance Center
P.O. Box 300
Detroit, Michigan 48265-3000

Phone: (313) 556-5000

To: Mr. John F. Smith, Jr., Chairman of the Board of Directors
Mr. G. Richard Wagoner Jr., President and CEO

Dear General Motors Management,

According to the webpage:

http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/ihuman/cwmhumeng.html

an artistic assault on the principles of self determination and
defense, "The Art of Peacemaking - The Gun Sculpture," is being
presented until June 24, 2001 in General Motors Court at the
Canadian War Museum.* I understand this offense against liberty
is next headed for UN headquarters in New York for the July 9 -
20 world disarmament cabal.

This seems really inconsistent with your sponsorship of the Chevy
Trucks Shooting Sports America series on ESPN cable network,
which has done much good at positively presenting recreational
firearms use to a viewing public that is otherwise bombarded
with anti-gun media bias. For that, you should be commended.

Do you have any control over what happens in a site that bears
your name? Do you provide continued funding?* If you do, will
you continue to allow your name to be associated with the
globalist agenda to undermine American sovereignty and disarm
the American people?
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html

I realize that "global buying power" is one of the phrases you
use to attract investors, but I hope that GM is not underwriting
the destruction of American freedoms to achieve global profits.
I am forwarding this query to allies in the fight to defend the
total Bill of Rights, and will also pass along your reply and/or
lack of response.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.

David Codrea

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GM claimed they were "unfamiliar with" this sculpture in an
email that another gun rights activist forwarded to me, so I
wrote their "Customer Relationships Manager" the following:

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Dear Ms. Mendoza,

As per your correspondence with Mr. Rankin, you are "unfamiliar
with any movement regarding General Motors, the United Nations,
and an anti-gun sculpture."

Allow me to assist.* The link you requested is provided below.
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/ihuman/cwmhumeng.html

I informed GM, via the "contact us" form on your website.

Our questions are simple- does GM endorse the UN's global
civilian disarmament efforts, or does GM support the United
States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and particularly, the
right of the people to keep and bear arms?* And what is GM
prepared to do about this sculpture* currently on display in
the "GM Court"?

Your prompt attention to this matter will be appreciated.

Thank you,
David Codrea

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This is the first response I received:

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Dear Mr. Codrea,

Thank you for your recent e-mail.* We appreciate you sending us the
link we requested.* We should clarify this matter for you.* General
Motors Court is the physical address of the Canadian War Museum.
This is the only relationship between the Gun Sculpture and General
Motors.

Thank you again for contacting us.

Sincerely,

Wendy Mendoza
Customer Relationship Manager
GM Internet Response Center

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Ms. Mendoza, of course, did not paint a complete picture of the
GM relationship:

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Dear Ms. Mendoza,

Thank you for your reply.

Your answer is not complete for a* couple of reasons that you
may not be aware of.

First, "General Motors" is* a fiercely protected brand name.* It
is used only with corporate sanction.* You had better believe
that if a nazi group presented their political views at General
Motors Court, your company would be quick to issue a statement
of denunciation.* But this is actually a minor point.

Allow me to call your attention to the following, the Oct. 9,
1997 dedication of the GM Court, which, contrary to the
information you have provided, shows that the relationship
between General Motors and Canadian/UN efforts, of which civilian
disarmament is a part, is ongoing.
http://www.dnd.ca/eng/archive/speeches/gm_s_e.htm

GM has been described as a "key fundraiser" for the War Museum
by the Canadian Minister of National Defence.* I think you will
agree that, in this light, it is more than just an address.

So my question stands, and remains unanswered: Does GM approve
of having its name associated with UN civilian disarmament
efforts?* If not, can we expect a corporate statement of
disagreement with the museum's display?

Thank you,
David Codrea

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[C.R.Sam]

Ms. Mendoza then offered the Pontius Pilate defense, i.e., "Go
see Herod":

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Dear Mr. Codrea,

Thank you for your recent e-mail.* We apologize for your
dissatisfaction with our previous response.

We must emphasize that you wrote your comments to the United
States division of General Motors. It would be in your best
interest to contact GM of Canada at www.gmcanada.com for the
information you are seeking.

Also, General Motors does not have a corporate statement on
this matter.* GM supports artistic expressions and opinion.
The Gun Sculpture is the artists views and opinion.* We cannot
comment on the sculpture, the Canadian War Museum, or General
Motors involvement.

Thank you again for contacting GM.

Sincerely,

Wendy Mendoza
Customer Relationship Manager
GM Internet Response Center

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To which I responded:

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Dear Ms. Mendoza,

In re "We cannot comment on the sculpture, the Canadian War
Museum, or General Motors involvement."

You already have.* Loud and clear.

Sincerely,
David Codrea

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So I sent my concerns to GM Canada, and received the following:

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Original Message:
From: stew.low@gm.com
To: codrea4@earthlink.net
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:57 AM

Your letter to the GM Chairman has been forwarded to me for
response.

My name is Stew Low and I am the Director of Public Relations
for GM of Canada and I am the one responsible for the relation-
ship GM of Canada has with the Canadian War Museum.

In Canada, we have a document called the Charter of Rights and
Freedoms that guarantees our Canadians free speech and expression,
the right of free association* and a number of others that we
all recognize as being the foundation that makes Canada the best
country in the world.

While I can appreciate your point of view, I do not agree that
is our place to censure what a museum will or will not show. In
doing so is contrary to what makes this country great.

Yours truly,

D. S. Low

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Oh, Stew, Stew, Stew...

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To: Stew Low, GM Canada* stew.low@gm.com

Dear Stew,

I've seen your tepid Charter.* One might say it has a big "but",
in that it "guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it
subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can
be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

Gee, that opens the door to all kinds of revisionist
interpretations based on might makes right and the political
climate of the time. Guess it all depends on the meaning of the
phrase "reasonable limits" and how many people you can sell that
definition to, eh?

In the United States, WE have a document called the Bill of
Rights, which is off-limits to government infringement, and
which, when necessary, protects the individual against the
tyranny of the majority. Included in these is the inalienable
right of the people to keep and bear arms.

History has shown that disarmed populations are vulnerable
populations, and this has been demonstrated by the tens of
millions of genocide victims in the last century, the vast
majority being victims of their OWN governments.

An exhibit advocating global disarmament, one intended to
influence passage of enforceable treaty provisions and
guarantee a monopoly of power to UN member state regimes over
their subjects, is occurring under the name "GM". Your claim
that it is not your place to "censure" a museum exhibit rings
hollow - you people would be tripping all over yourselves to
disaffiliate the GM name from this were it a politically
incorrect exhibit, for instance, something advocating racial,
sexual or religious intolerance, that is, as long as the race
was not white, the sexuality was not hetero, and the religion
was not Christianity.*

But thanks for your candor.* I'll pass your message on as the
official position of General Motors Corporation and its
affiliates.

Sincerely,
David Codrea
codrea4@earthlink.net
Guns- good AND good FOR you!
Find out why at:
http://www.guntruths.com/
http://www.citizensofamerica.org/
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/

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* Lest this observation cause concern, understand that it's
intent is merely to illustrate the double-standard applied by
liberals espousing freedom of expression.* I wrote the original
draft from which the GunTruths.com "Inclusion Statement" was
developed, a statement which has also been endorsed by
KeepandBeararms.com:

"[We are] Not Your Enemy.* [We] supports the right of all
peaceable people to keep and bear arms. Your age, race, sex,
religion, political party, sexual orientation, or national
origin are of no concern to us. Anyone who requires you to
disarm is not your friend, and not our friend. Only when all
peaceable citizens can freely exercise their inalienable right
to self defense, and their right to keep and bear arms, will
we attain the ultimate safeguard for our mutual protection, as
individuals, as members of a community, and as citizens of the
Republic."

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Stew gets the last word:

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As i said I appreciate your point of view, but don't happen to
agree with it.
That is what makes society so interesting.

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Forwarded FYI by The Liberty Crew

[4V50 Gary]

Often times, a big donor will be honored by having a gallery, building, area named after them. Go to any museum or university and you'll see what I mean.

GM Court is probably something the Canadian War Museum named in GM's honor for being a corporate sponsor. As such, it would not be GM's place to dictate to the donee what goes in or about its namesake. However, it is possible for the donor to publicly renounce any further association.

Since we're all small fries, we won't ever have something named after us. But there is a way. Become a subcontractor and install the bathroom and its fixtures. Imagine sitting inside a toilet stall and seeing your name at eye level? Or howabout it on the TP dispenser or etched into the mirror? In lieu of your name, how about a quote about the Second Amendment? Further, if it's stamped in, it can't be painted out.

[Fred S]

Canada? Give it back to the French!

[4V50 Gary]

to Louie when Canada was lost in 1763, "What have we lost sire, but a few thousand acres of snow?"

[Bud Helms]

That's cold!

that makes Canada the best country in the world.

Best at what? Failed attempts at registration and disarment of its citizens?

[Icebite]

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...031799ab9.html

My comment: Ms Bromley has obviously not been victimized or raped. Then perhaps she might see the positive side also. Makes me want to puke!!


For artists, guns tell painful stories

Don Thomas
Journal Staff Writer
Edmonton


Sandra Bromley curiously inspected the junked assault rifle from an army arsenal in Montreal, wondering about the peacekeepers who may have shouldered it.

"If you stop and think where they've been, they've probably been to a lot of conflict places in the world, whether it's Rwanda, Bosnia or wherever," she said.

The FN semi-automatic was standard issue for Canadian soldiers from 1958 until about 1990. It was replaced by a Canadian version of the American M16, a lighter, shorter, fully automatic, 30-shot assault rifle.

The obsolete guns normally would have been cut up and melted down. These were saved for display by using a welder's torch to make them useless.

The Department of National Defence trucked about 1,000 FNs to Edmonton for use in a sculpture which received a $250,000 federal Millennium Bureau grant and is intended to provoke discussion on the nature of violence.

Hundreds of deactivated guns seized by police or from armies around the world will be welded together in the shape and space of a prison cell. Others will be displayed nearby with print and video stories about the misery they caused.

"These, I don't know. I don't know the narratives about them," said Bromley as she inspected the now useless FN rifle which is minus its stock.

"But when I know the narratives of crime weapons, I really hate them. When I know the story behind them, the pain they caused, I have really major revulsion about it.

"When you know the story behind the guns, it's phenomenally poignant. It has weight to it, it has human life to it."

Bromley and fellow sculptor Wallis Kendal plan to open their display at the Edmonton Art Gallery Jan. 20, 2000. It will then go on a world tour.

They recently returned from meetings with peace groups in Israel, the Palestine territories, England and Ireland.

Among material brought back from Ireland for inclusion in the show is a rubber bullet fired by British soldiers at protesters, and bits of twisted metal from a mail van blown up by terrorists.

The artists have no problem with use of rifles and shotguns by hunters or with target shooters having pistols, provided they're stored safely.

"My agenda is not to take away their hunting rifles," she says, noting she would welcome a dialogue with pro-gun groups such as the National Firearms Association.

Some association members believe a campaign by External Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy to limit international trade in assault rifles and other military small arms may lead to confiscation of sporting guns.

"But when you see a lot of the guns we have upstairs there's no other reason for them but to kill. They're made and designed to kill humans, not animals," says Bromley, referring to confiscated pistols received from police.

"The guns we will display are a provocative statement. They're used as symbols to provoke people to think.

"When you see a mountain of military guns and crime-used weapons with a narrative, with stories of conflict they've been involved in, that should spur people to think what violence is."

Information on the gun sculpture project is available on the Internet at www.ihuman.org




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[PATH]

Sent an e-mail to Bromley and Co.. My question was simple? Do you think most people are afraid of Caandian soldiers with gun? I then asked do you suppose that there are other countries with soldiers who are not like the Canadians. I also noted that Neville Chamberlin would have approved wholeheartedly! Let us face it, Canada is going RED!