MMM LIES at UN Conference..EXPOSED!

Justin Moore · July 24, 2001, 01:48 AM

Just go this via email from the JPFO:

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization (Subscribe/UnSubscribe instructions near the end of the message)

July 23, 2001

ALERT: Catch Them In A Whopping Big Lie -- U.N. Style

Have you got a friend or relative who thinks maybe the Million
Misguided Moms had some valid points to make ... or maybe they
had their "hearts in the right place"?

Here is a quick "gotcha" you can use. It is a quote directly
from Mary Leigh Blek, representative of the Millon Mom March
organization, when she spoke last week at the United Nations
"Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons
in All its Aspects."

Ms. Blek said:

"The gun lobby has been talking for 40 minutes. During
that time, 40 people have died from the use of small arms
and light weapons in this country. That figure, not the
statement of those representatives, is further proof that
this country is at war."

Do the math: 1 person per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 24
hours per day x 365 days = 525,600 people per year.

Fact is, misuse of firearms in homicide, suicide and accidents, accounted for a total of 35,673 deaths in 1997. Less half of
these deaths were homicides. Source: National Safety Council,
Injury Facts: 2000 Edition, at 10, 117.
(http://www.gunowners.org/fs0101.htm)

The MMM representative, Ms. Blek, attempted to mislead the
world conference by overstating the count of homicides by
*2600* percent. Even counting the accidents and suicides in
her favor, Ms. Blek exaggerated by *1400* percent.

This error was not a minor goof or a decimal point shift problem. Such an outright misstatement of facts (made in writing, when the undisputed truth is known) must be a deliberate lie. The MMM
counts on newsmedia and other uninformed people to accept the
quoted statistics without checking -- most people naturally
assume that "nobody would lie publicly about something so easy
to verify."

Use this fact with those folks who have been believing the MMM to be "a group of women just trying to protect their children
from harm." We can't speak for all the members, but the
leadership is willing to lie grossly to a high-profile world
conference to further their anti-self defense agenda. Now
you have hard proof ... in their own words.

Click on:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/DC2792.doc.htm

Ummmm, comments?

**Don Gwinn** · July 24, 2001, 06:40 AM

Oh...okay, umm....I guess I'll do it:

I am shocked, I tell you! Shocked and dismayed!

But not surprised. I can't pull off surprised.

I was even going to be extra special generous and say that maybe the silly twit meant deaths worldwide, including suicide and accidents, plus people hit by cars while on the way to hunting grounds or ranges, plus soldiers dying of various illnesses while still in possession of issued weapons. But then it was mentioned that they put it in writing, so they're on their own. The Devil's Advocate has rest his case.

Dead · July 24, 2001, 07:15 AM

If their lips are moving, do they not lie?

bookkie · July 24, 2001, 07:30 AM

You're going to try and confuse us with facts....... get real.... No one pay's any attention to facts.

dischord · July 24, 2001, 10:04 AM

OK, guys, before you use this, you'd better verify that Blek actually said it. Get the transcript.

The worst thing we can do is to be inaccurate in attacking them for inaccuracies.

labgrade · July 24, 2001, 10:20 AM

While The Nice Lady certainly has a way of making one's stomach turn ("unregulated industry of death" indeed!), I don't see in the transcript where she made the mentioned statement.

Here's the deal from the UN's site.

Bleck's statement

Million Mom March, USA
Delivered by Mary Leigh Blek
7/16/01

"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The United States is at war!! How do I know this? My 21 year old son Matthew was a victim of this war raging within our United States borders. Matthew is joined by ten children and teens who die each and every day to gun violence and trauma made possible by the easy access and availability of guns in our country. There is no accountability and responsibility required in gun ownership where we do not license our gun owners nor register guns. While the firearm industry has been making a profit, our children have been dying. The price we are paying is too high for the profits of an unregulated industry of death. Please consider that our firearm death rate for United State's children 14 years old and younger is twelve times higher than for 25 other industrialized nations combined. To put this in better perspective, we lose more of OUR teenagers to guns, than to all diseases combined.

In response to this tragic statistic and to the witnessing of yet another tragic school shooting, this time a pre-school setting, the Million Mom March organization was born. On Mother's Day 2000, Americans stood up and cried out "Enough!" when 750,000 Moms and their families came together in the Mall in Washington DC and tens of thousands more joined in at 72 cities all across our nation. Their demand was for common sense gun laws and safe communities. Today we are over 240 chapters in 46 states and we are marching on for the necessary domestic laws to protect our families.

Why am I telling you this? The US official report to this body does not represent the thinking of the American public. It is a minority position of a minority government. I believe there was an erroneous impression given that the people in the United States believe that domestic gun laws do not have an impact on the illicit trafficking of guns and perhaps this should not be the concern of the international community. I am here to set the record straight because many polls conducted in our country are very clear on this point. The majority of my fellow citizens favor better regulation of guns and that includes the licensing of our gun owners, registration of guns and closing the gun show loophole that allows criminals and minors to get weapons. The American public is learning that guns that are purchased in legal markets here can and do flow into the illicit market and that this trafficking extends through our borders and into other countries around the world. We know that guns know no borders.

The Million Mom March and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence join together to call upon this Conference to enact a strong program of action to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons. We are convinced of the need for a comprehensive approach to promote, at the global, regional, sub regional, national and local levels, the prevention, reduction and eradication of the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects as a contribution to international peace and security.

We know that children are depending on our work at this conference. I humbly ask that as you deliberate, please remember my son Matthew and all the children and young people who have died or been injured and traumatized around this world. Remember that they were denied the basic right to live their lives. We must stem the bloody flow of the unregulated proliferation and obscure tracking of deadly small arms. My love for Matthew emboldens me to say once again, the American people want to be a part of the solution to prevent the needless tragedy that is costing us our children and families."

BTW, list of all NGOs who spoke is available here

These are transcripts & not what some reporter thought they heard.

We gotta have our facts straight, folks.

nralife · July 24, 2001, 11:34 AM

labgrade,

Is it possible that these transcripts are not really transcripts, but preprepared statements given to the UN by the speakers which do not reflect the actual words said? Or could it be that Mrs Blek spoke more than once? Given the two versions of this speech, there must be more to it than simple reporter error...

From the link in the JPFO Alert:

MARY LEIGH BLEK, Million Mom March:

The gun lobby has been talking for 40 minutes. During that time, 40 people have died from the use of small arms and light weapons in this country. That figure, not the statement of those representatives, is further proof that this country is at war. Indeed, my own son was victim of the war raging within our own borders that takes the lives of 10 children and teens each day. There is no accountability and responsibility inherent in gun-ownership policies where we do not license our gun owners nor register guns. While the firearms industry has been making a profit, our children have been dying. The price we are paying is too high for the profits generated by an unregulated industry of death. The tragic firearm death rate for children in this country sparked the organization of the Million Mom March. On Mothers Day 2000, Americans stood up and cried “Enough!” when 750,000 moms and their families came together on the mall in Washington, D.C.

Why am I telling you this? Because the head of the United States delegation to this Conference does not represent the thinking of the American public. That delegate represents a minority view of a minority government. I believe that representative gave the erroneous impression that people in the United States believe that domestic gun laws do not have an impact on the illicit trafficking of guns and should, therefore, not be a concern for the international community. I am here to set the record straight. The majority of my fellow citizens favour better regulation of guns, including licensing of our gun owners, registration of guns and closing the gun show loophole that allows criminals and minors to get weapons. The American public is learning that guns purchased in legal markets here can and do flow into the illicit market in worldwide illicit trafficking in small arms. We know that guns do not respect borders. We know that the world’s children, as well as our own, are depending on our work at this Conference.

labgrade · July 24, 2001, 12:15 PM

Sure could be, nralife. I merely pulled out what the UN's site gives up. I'd like to see a reconing of the differences myself.

Did notice though when the UN-fest was ongoing that various reporters "spun" their story just a bit different than what was actually posted on the UN site.

You may very well be correct in the "prepared statement" versus what was actually said in a speech.

Wouldn't put it past the UN's own site to "creatively edit" speeches ..... we're in a world of newspeak (reading 1984 ... ) & who the hell really knows what's real?

Only point I was making is from the (alleged) original source, what was reported to have been said didn't appear to have been.

dischord · July 24, 2001, 02:40 PM

I originally was bearish on believing this. I didn't notice that the original post above contained a link to a UN page.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/DC2792.doc.htm

The 40-per-minute statement is attributed to Blek on the official UN web page. Therefore, Blek actually did say it, or:

1) The UN transcribers got it wrong; or
2) Someone hacked the UN site

Now I'm leaning towards believing it is true. I've sent the MMM an email requesting clarification.

dischord · July 24, 2001, 02:51 PM

OK, here's more -- I'm about 99% to believing Blek actually said it.

Look on the UN's page for "non governmental organization" (NGO) participants to the event: http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/CAB/smallarms/ngo.htm

You'll see two choices under "NGO Statements at the 8th Meeting-16 July 2001"

"Full Text" appears to be prepared statments.
"Summary" appears to be a transcript of actual oral statments.

Click on "summary." Search down for "Blek" and you'll find the statment.

labgrade · July 24, 2001, 03:49 PM

Curiouser & curiouser .... looks like the link you provided, dischord, are press releases & the one I provided are the actual spoken words ????

Sifting through the main link I have been using, I don't get the "summary or full text" option, but it's all leveraged off the same root web address. Certainly do get it from the link you provided - beats the hell outa me.

I do thank you for digging, & obviously Justin for the original post/link.

No question, the MMMers are miserable folk & liars too boot. Only part of this I was "concerned" about was to make certain that
our ducks were in a row.

Dropping a heavy weight from above is much more effective than rollin' it up a hill - & explanations + "clarifications" get to be wearying.

Good on ya for diggin' a bit more ....

In any event, Blek "said" it - either in a written press release (how'd she know the "gun lobby" talked for 40 minutes?) or in spoken word. Either way she's a liar & a

-bag.

Let's git 'em.

July 24, 2001, 01:48 AM	#1
Justin Moore Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2000 Location: Right Here Posts: 858	MMM LIES at UN Conference..EXPOSED! Just go this via email from the JPFO: ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization (Subscribe/UnSubscribe instructions near the end of the message) July 23, 2001 ALERT: Catch Them In A Whopping Big Lie -- U.N. Style Have you got a friend or relative who thinks maybe the Million Misguided Moms had some valid points to make ... or maybe they had their "hearts in the right place"? Here is a quick "gotcha" you can use. It is a quote directly from Mary Leigh Blek, representative of the Millon Mom March organization, when she spoke last week at the United Nations "Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All its Aspects." Ms. Blek said: "The gun lobby has been talking for 40 minutes. During that time, 40 people have died from the use of small arms and light weapons in this country. That figure, not the statement of those representatives, is further proof that this country is at war." Do the math: 1 person per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 24 hours per day x 365 days = 525,600 people per year. Fact is, misuse of firearms in homicide, suicide and accidents, accounted for a total of 35,673 deaths in 1997. Less half of these deaths were homicides. Source: National Safety Council, Injury Facts: 2000 Edition, at 10, 117. (http://www.gunowners.org/fs0101.htm) The MMM representative, Ms. Blek, attempted to mislead the world conference by overstating the count of homicides by 2600 percent. Even counting the accidents and suicides in her favor, Ms. Blek exaggerated by 1400 percent. This error was not a minor goof or a decimal point shift problem. Such an outright misstatement of facts (made in writing, when the undisputed truth is known) must be a deliberate lie. The MMM counts on newsmedia and other uninformed people to accept the quoted statistics without checking -- most people naturally assume that "nobody would lie publicly about something so easy to verify." Use this fact with those folks who have been believing the MMM to be "a group of women just trying to protect their children from harm." We can't speak for all the members, but the leadership is willing to lie grossly to a high-profile world conference to further their anti-self defense agenda. Now you have hard proof ... in their own words. Click on: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/DC2792.doc.htm Ummmm, comments? __________________ Democracy: A government of the masses, authority derived through mass meetings or any other form of direct expression; results in mobocracy; attitude toward property is communistic negating property rights; attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences; its result is dem-o-gogism, license, agitation, discontent and anarchy. Republic: Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best suited to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles that establish evidence with a strict regard for consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass, it avoids the dangerous extremes of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice contentment and progress, is a standard for government around the world.

July 24, 2001, 07:15 AM	#3
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,809	If their lips are moving, do they not lie? __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

July 24, 2001, 07:30 AM	#4
bookkie Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 1999 Location: Arbuckle, CA, usa Posts: 1,277	You're going to try and confuse us with facts....... get real.... No one pay's any attention to facts. __________________ Richard The debate is not about guns, but rather who has the ultimate power to rule, the People or Government. RKBA!

July 24, 2001, 10:04 AM	#5
dischord Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 945	OK, guys, before you use this, you'd better verify that Blek actually said it. Get the transcript. The worst thing we can do is to be inaccurate in attacking them for inaccuracies. __________________ Another member of the TFL diaspora

July 24, 2001, 02:40 PM	#9
dischord Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 945	on the other hand I originally was bearish on believing this. I didn't notice that the original post above contained a link to a UN page. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/DC2792.doc.htm The 40-per-minute statement is attributed to Blek on the official UN web page. Therefore, Blek actually did say it, or: 1) The UN transcribers got it wrong; or 2) Someone hacked the UN site Now I'm leaning towards believing it is true. I've sent the MMM an email requesting clarification. __________________ Another member of the TFL diaspora

July 24, 2001, 06:40 AM	#2
Don Gwinn Staff Join Date: March 9, 2000 Location: Virden, IL Posts: 5,914	Oh...okay, umm....I guess I'll do it: I am shocked, I tell you! Shocked and dismayed! But not surprised. I can't pull off surprised. I was even going to be extra special generous and say that maybe the silly twit meant deaths worldwide, including suicide and accidents, plus people hit by cars while on the way to hunting grounds or ranges, plus soldiers dying of various illnesses while still in possession of issued weapons. But then it was mentioned that they put it in writing, so they're on their own. The Devil's Advocate has rest his case.

July 24, 2001, 10:20 AM	#6
labgrade Senior Member Emeritus Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,356	While The Nice Lady certainly has a way of making one's stomach turn ("unregulated industry of death" indeed!), I don't see in the transcript where she made the mentioned statement. Here's the deal from the UN's site. Bleck's statement Million Mom March, USA Delivered by Mary Leigh Blek 7/16/01 "Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The United States is at war!! How do I know this? My 21 year old son Matthew was a victim of this war raging within our United States borders. Matthew is joined by ten children and teens who die each and every day to gun violence and trauma made possible by the easy access and availability of guns in our country. There is no accountability and responsibility required in gun ownership where we do not license our gun owners nor register guns. While the firearm industry has been making a profit, our children have been dying. The price we are paying is too high for the profits of an unregulated industry of death. Please consider that our firearm death rate for United State's children 14 years old and younger is twelve times higher than for 25 other industrialized nations combined. To put this in better perspective, we lose more of OUR teenagers to guns, than to all diseases combined. In response to this tragic statistic and to the witnessing of yet another tragic school shooting, this time a pre-school setting, the Million Mom March organization was born. On Mother's Day 2000, Americans stood up and cried out "Enough!" when 750,000 Moms and their families came together in the Mall in Washington DC and tens of thousands more joined in at 72 cities all across our nation. Their demand was for common sense gun laws and safe communities. Today we are over 240 chapters in 46 states and we are marching on for the necessary domestic laws to protect our families. Why am I telling you this? The US official report to this body does not represent the thinking of the American public. It is a minority position of a minority government. I believe there was an erroneous impression given that the people in the United States believe that domestic gun laws do not have an impact on the illicit trafficking of guns and perhaps this should not be the concern of the international community. I am here to set the record straight because many polls conducted in our country are very clear on this point. The majority of my fellow citizens favor better regulation of guns and that includes the licensing of our gun owners, registration of guns and closing the gun show loophole that allows criminals and minors to get weapons. The American public is learning that guns that are purchased in legal markets here can and do flow into the illicit market and that this trafficking extends through our borders and into other countries around the world. We know that guns know no borders. The Million Mom March and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence join together to call upon this Conference to enact a strong program of action to prevent, combat and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons. We are convinced of the need for a comprehensive approach to promote, at the global, regional, sub regional, national and local levels, the prevention, reduction and eradication of the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects as a contribution to international peace and security. We know that children are depending on our work at this conference. I humbly ask that as you deliberate, please remember my son Matthew and all the children and young people who have died or been injured and traumatized around this world. Remember that they were denied the basic right to live their lives. We must stem the bloody flow of the unregulated proliferation and obscure tracking of deadly small arms. My love for Matthew emboldens me to say once again, the American people want to be a part of the solution to prevent the needless tragedy that is costing us our children and families." BTW, list of all NGOs who spoke is available here These are transcripts & not what some reporter thought they heard. We gotta have our facts straight, folks.

July 24, 2001, 11:34 AM	#7
nralife Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 1999 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 1,239	labgrade, Is it possible that these transcripts are not really transcripts, but preprepared statements given to the UN by the speakers which do not reflect the actual words said? Or could it be that Mrs Blek spoke more than once? Given the two versions of this speech, there must be more to it than simple reporter error... From the link in the JPFO Alert: MARY LEIGH BLEK, Million Mom March: The gun lobby has been talking for 40 minutes. During that time, 40 people have died from the use of small arms and light weapons in this country. That figure, not the statement of those representatives, is further proof that this country is at war. Indeed, my own son was victim of the war raging within our own borders that takes the lives of 10 children and teens each day. There is no accountability and responsibility inherent in gun-ownership policies where we do not license our gun owners nor register guns. While the firearms industry has been making a profit, our children have been dying. The price we are paying is too high for the profits generated by an unregulated industry of death. The tragic firearm death rate for children in this country sparked the organization of the Million Mom March. On Mothers Day 2000, Americans stood up and cried “Enough!” when 750,000 moms and their families came together on the mall in Washington, D.C. Why am I telling you this? Because the head of the United States delegation to this Conference does not represent the thinking of the American public. That delegate represents a minority view of a minority government. I believe that representative gave the erroneous impression that people in the United States believe that domestic gun laws do not have an impact on the illicit trafficking of guns and should, therefore, not be a concern for the international community. I am here to set the record straight. The majority of my fellow citizens favour better regulation of guns, including licensing of our gun owners, registration of guns and closing the gun show loophole that allows criminals and minors to get weapons. The American public is learning that guns purchased in legal markets here can and do flow into the illicit market in worldwide illicit trafficking in small arms. We know that guns do not respect borders. We know that the world’s children, as well as our own, are depending on our work at this Conference.

July 24, 2001, 12:15 PM	#8
labgrade Senior Member Emeritus Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,356	Sure could be, nralife. I merely pulled out what the UN's site gives up. I'd like to see a reconing of the differences myself. Did notice though when the UN-fest was ongoing that various reporters "spun" their story just a bit different than what was actually posted on the UN site. You may very well be correct in the "prepared statement" versus what was actually said in a speech. Wouldn't put it past the UN's own site to "creatively edit" speeches ..... we're in a world of newspeak (reading 1984 ... ) & who the hell really knows what's real? Only point I was making is from the (alleged) original source, what was reported to have been said didn't appear to have been.

July 24, 2001, 02:51 PM	#10
dischord Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 945	OK, here's more -- I'm about 99% to believing Blek actually said it. Look on the UN's page for "non governmental organization" (NGO) participants to the event: http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/CAB/smallarms/ngo.htm You'll see two choices under "NGO Statements at the 8th Meeting-16 July 2001" "Full Text" appears to be prepared statments. "Summary" appears to be a transcript of actual oral statments. Click on "summary." Search down for "Blek" and you'll find the statment. __________________ Another member of the TFL diaspora

July 24, 2001, 03:49 PM	#11
labgrade Senior Member Emeritus Join Date: November 29, 1999 Location: west of a small town, CO Posts: 4,356	Curiouser & curiouser .... looks like the link you provided, dischord, are press releases & the one I provided are the actual spoken words ???? Sifting through the main link I have been using, I don't get the "summary or full text" option, but it's all leveraged off the same root web address. Certainly do get it from the link you provided - beats the hell outa me. I do thank you for digging, & obviously Justin for the original post/link. No question, the MMMers are miserable folk & liars too boot. Only part of this I was "concerned" about was to make certain that our ducks were in a row. Dropping a heavy weight from above is much more effective than rollin' it up a hill - & explanations + "clarifications" get to be wearying. Good on ya for diggin' a bit more .... In any event, Blek "said" it - either in a written press release (how'd she know the "gun lobby" talked for 40 minutes?) or in spoken word. Either way she's a liar & a -bag. Let's git 'em.