2200 fps,, 60 gr ZINC swc in 357 Sig, penetrates MORE

shucks · December 1, 2001, 12:57 PM

flesh, car metal, or wood than a 9mm ball rd can, so if the prefrag's penetration depth is a worry for you, then load every other rd with the swc. Then at least HALF of your rds will be good stoppers. You can also use the lathe to make the swc into a shallow 'cup point" to reduce the likelihood of the swc's glancing off of the sloping forehead and thick bone of a large animal. Lug around a 40 oz, 9" 357 revolver as you backpack and you soon wont think so highly of it. I prefer to have the gun either in the leg pocket, with a thin plastic holster to preclude chafing, or in a fanny pack at the navel, top open to access the gun swiftly. A pack harness precludes the CONCEALED wear (and swift access to) nearly all types of holsters. You can easily go jogging with a 20 oz (loaded) 357 sig pocket auto, tho.

Long Path · December 1, 2001, 01:24 PM

...but I guess I missed the context. BTW, as something to think about: Does a zinc bullet at 2200 fps penetrate a Level II vest? It could (would) then be taken to be an armor piercing pistol cartridge. AP pistol cartridges are strictly verbottin, by federal regulations and most state laws. Just a heads-up.

I'm moving this one to... um, [hmmmmm... H&R? Nope. Auto Pistol? Nope. Ahhhh! Here we go!] to General Handgunning Forum.

All best,

L.P.

Dave T · December 1, 2001, 03:59 PM

Could the original post be an answer to a question asked somewhere else? If not, it makes no sense. By the way, who makes a 9" 357???

Blue Duck357 · December 1, 2001, 04:21 PM

GK, Hardin, Gunkid, John Davis,Colt 45,Big'nBad,Amanda etc.- Heee's baaack

shucks · December 1, 2001, 04:59 PM

the case of the N frames, Redhawk, etc. No, the laws are NOT written about AP PERFORMANCE as such. They state that you cant have handgun ammo which lacks a lead CORE, or which is made of brass, steel, or bronze. Nothing is said about zinc, copper, etc, and a hollow base with a SMALL lead birdshot pellet DOES have a lead "core", eh? Yeah, this post relates to 2 others which conveniently got DELETED.

C.R.Sam · December 1, 2001, 07:00 PM

Hmmm......ultralight very high speed projectiles have been around since the turn of LAST century. Have their place for specialty work and not worth a hoot for most just plain shootin. Over a hundred years and still pops up occaisionaly.

Sam

Gravity · December 1, 2001, 07:05 PM

18 packs are on sale today huh?

hasher · December 1, 2001, 08:15 PM

that's nice, Hardin, Amanda,et. al.

Alaska Roy · December 1, 2001, 08:22 PM

Don't the Feds still use the imfamous cookie cutter rounds?

mikey357 · December 1, 2001, 09:00 PM

Gee, "shucks" sure sounds like our ol' buddy, Hardin...doesn't (s)/he???....mikey357

Scarborough · December 1, 2001, 09:14 PM

Hi shucks. I know you from somewhere don't I? You're literary style reminds me of someone from another forum. You don't by any chance have an interest in the AR-15 family of firearms do you?

Blue Duck357 · December 1, 2001, 09:29 PM

AR's,speed, packs of dogs, rafts, "cans", carries in pocket, cut down 357 sigs, "special" federal parole's, makes bullets on a lathe...Nah could be a million guys...

WESHOOT2 · December 1, 2001, 10:01 PM

I manufacture ammunition that uses BULLETS, real BULLETS.
(Although some of you may have noticed I recently asked one of our members if he could make gold bullets......but they'd be REAL bullets.)

Questions / comments / discussion invited.

**Mal H** · December 1, 2001, 10:19 PM

This thread started off as practically pointless.

Blue Duck357, very astute.

December 1, 2001, 12:57 PM	#1
shucks Junior member Join Date: June 24, 2001 Posts: 45	2200 fps,, 60 gr ZINC swc in 357 Sig, penetrates MORE flesh, car metal, or wood than a 9mm ball rd can, so if the prefrag's penetration depth is a worry for you, then load every other rd with the swc. Then at least HALF of your rds will be good stoppers. You can also use the lathe to make the swc into a shallow 'cup point" to reduce the likelihood of the swc's glancing off of the sloping forehead and thick bone of a large animal. Lug around a 40 oz, 9" 357 revolver as you backpack and you soon wont think so highly of it. I prefer to have the gun either in the leg pocket, with a thin plastic holster to preclude chafing, or in a fanny pack at the navel, top open to access the gun swiftly. A pack harness precludes the CONCEALED wear (and swift access to) nearly all types of holsters. You can easily go jogging with a 20 oz (loaded) 357 sig pocket auto, tho.

December 1, 2001, 01:24 PM	#2
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Sounds really interesting ...but I guess I missed the context. BTW, as something to think about: Does a zinc bullet at 2200 fps penetrate a Level II vest? It could (would) then be taken to be an armor piercing pistol cartridge. AP pistol cartridges are strictly verbottin, by federal regulations and most state laws. Just a heads-up. I'm moving this one to... um, [hmmmmm... H&R? Nope. Auto Pistol? Nope. Ahhhh! Here we go!] to General Handgunning Forum. All best, L.P. __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

December 1, 2001, 03:59 PM	#3
Dave T Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2000 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 1,456	Could the original post be an answer to a question asked somewhere else? If not, it makes no sense. By the way, who makes a 9" 357??? __________________ RSVN '69-'71 PCSD Ret

December 1, 2001, 04:59 PM	#5
shucks Junior member Join Date: June 24, 2001 Posts: 45	ALL 357's with 4" barrels are 9" long, or longer, in the case of the N frames, Redhawk, etc. No, the laws are NOT written about AP PERFORMANCE as such. They state that you cant have handgun ammo which lacks a lead CORE, or which is made of brass, steel, or bronze. Nothing is said about zinc, copper, etc, and a hollow base with a SMALL lead birdshot pellet DOES have a lead "core", eh? Yeah, this post relates to 2 others which conveniently got DELETED.

December 1, 2001, 08:22 PM	#9
Alaska Roy Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 1999 Posts: 281	Reminds me of The Cookie Cutter Ammo- Don't the Feds still use the imfamous cookie cutter rounds?

December 1, 2001, 04:21 PM	#4
Blue Duck357 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2000 Posts: 1,460	GK, Hardin, Gunkid, John Davis,Colt 45,Big'nBad,Amanda etc.- Heee's baaack

December 1, 2001, 07:00 PM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Hmmm......ultralight very high speed projectiles have been around since the turn of LAST century. Have their place for specialty work and not worth a hoot for most just plain shootin. Over a hundred years and still pops up occaisionaly. Sam

December 1, 2001, 07:05 PM	#7
Gravity Member Join Date: November 1, 2000 Posts: 71	18 packs are on sale today huh?

December 1, 2001, 08:15 PM	#8
hasher Member Join Date: February 3, 2001 Posts: 34	that's nice, Hardin, Amanda,et. al.

December 1, 2001, 09:00 PM	#10
mikey357 Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2000 Location: Griffin, GA, USA Posts: 743	Gee, "shucks" sure sounds like our ol' buddy, Hardin...doesn't (s)/he???....mikey357 __________________ mikey357, TFL Member # 7556

December 1, 2001, 09:14 PM	#11
Scarborough Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Fargo North Dakota Posts: 543	Hi shucks. I know you from somewhere don't I? You're literary style reminds me of someone from another forum. You don't by any chance have an interest in the AR-15 family of firearms do you?

December 1, 2001, 09:29 PM	#12
Blue Duck357 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2000 Posts: 1,460	AR's,speed, packs of dogs, rafts, "cans", carries in pocket, cut down 357 sigs, "special" federal parole's, makes bullets on a lathe...Nah could be a million guys...

December 1, 2001, 10:01 PM	#13
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING? I manufacture ammunition that uses BULLETS, real BULLETS. (Although some of you may have noticed I recently asked one of our members if he could make gold bullets......but they'd be REAL bullets.) Questions / comments / discussion invited. __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

December 1, 2001, 10:19 PM	#14
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	This thread started off as practically pointless. Blue Duck357, very astute.