most impressive expansion I have ever seen!

Carbon_15 · June 5, 2002, 03:54 PM

Pictured below is a recovered 155gr Pro-Load 10mm fired from a distance of 10 yards from a Glock 20 into 10% ordnance Gelatin. Impact velocity was 1315fps (596 ft.lbs), it penetrated 17inches, weighed 153.9gr and had a recovered diameter of..get this...1.239 inches!!!
All I could say was wow. I have never seen expansion like this where the bullet actualy held together in one peice. Impressive, to say the least.

Ewok_Guy · June 5, 2002, 03:58 PM

Damn, that thing looks like a fan blade!

Dave R · June 5, 2002, 04:08 PM

Looks like something that Fackler, Marshall and Sanow could all agree on.

TheSniper · June 5, 2002, 04:19 PM

WOW!

OF · June 5, 2002, 04:26 PM

You've got to love those GD's. Especially the ProLoad cartridges.

Good stuff!

- Gabe

C.R.Sam · June 5, 2002, 04:44 PM

OOOAHHHH.
Good projectile performance.

Tried it through cloth etc yet ?

Sam

Carbon_15 · June 5, 2002, 08:00 PM

Sure have sam. I fired 10 rounds into bare and 10 rounds into medium clothed (2 layers of denim, 1 layer of t-shirt)..they all looked pretty much the same. The ones I fired into clothed gelatin averaged around 1.189 with penetration numbers about the same as bare.

DanP · June 5, 2002, 08:25 PM

Thanks, very impressive!

C.R.Sam · June 5, 2002, 08:29 PM

One word.
WOW

Sam

CZ Gunner · June 5, 2002, 08:30 PM

Yeah, that's what SHE said! Tee.hee.hee

KP95DAO · June 5, 2002, 08:30 PM

That is unusual. I have done a bit of testing over the years and it has been my experience that those petals should have been folded back along the bullet. Of course one could always bend them back to where they were sticking straight out from the bullet to get a bullet which looks like yours.

glock glockler · June 5, 2002, 09:05 PM

Carbon, when are you going to be testing those 450smc loads?

GG

Carbon_15 · June 5, 2002, 10:08 PM

Soon as someone sends me some Glocker...sure would love to give 'em a try.

Not even going to respond to that KP95...except to say this. Sometimes bullets do strange and non-linear things as velocitys increase past the rounds intended velocity threshold. Heck..the ProLoad 180gr 10mm broke up where as the 155 held together..or did I glue the petals back on

Rovert · June 5, 2002, 10:08 PM

Whoa. Cool. That'll give some BG a real hangover.

Redlg155 · June 5, 2002, 11:09 PM

I'd like to see someone try the test with a denim jacket first, rack of ribs(pork should do nicely) then the ballistic gelatin. That should simulate the clothing barrier, chest and chest cavity pretty good.

I'd do it myself but I keep eating the ribs.

I'd like to see .45 Gold Dots in a test.

Good SHooting
RED

Blackhawk · June 5, 2002, 11:51 PM

Very interesting AND impressive!

Snowdog · June 6, 2002, 07:53 AM

Excellent job!
Thanks for posting.

Tropical Z · June 6, 2002, 12:17 PM

That is some SWEET expansion!

enfwago · June 6, 2002, 12:22 PM

WOW! That would hurt.

Has anybody seen any 9mm loads that expand like that?

VaughnT · June 6, 2002, 04:57 PM

I've never seen a round expand so perfectly. Gorgeous photo work, too.

I'll have to look into those rounds at the next show. Definitely appreciate your posting pics.

Lavan · June 6, 2002, 06:36 PM

Is it a cop-killer bullet?

jbutenhoff · June 6, 2002, 06:43 PM

FYI Georgia Arms ( http://www.georgia-arms.com/ ) has a line using the same gold dot bullets, but much less expensive, $13.75 for 50! They are a very similiar loading to proload, 155 grains at 1375 fps.

I use their 10MM FMJ rounds for practice and love em!

Jamie

lonegunman · June 6, 2002, 07:20 PM

Excellent expansion...

Undoubtedly this would be the round of choice if ever attacked by 10% jello.

in vivo performance may or may not be similar.

OF · June 6, 2002, 07:23 PM

The Georgia Arms stuff is great too. I only carry the ProLoad, though. The attention to detail at ProLoad is really spectacular. You won't find more consistently reliable and well-crafted carry ammo (at least not that I'm aware of).

- Gabe

George Hill · June 6, 2002, 07:49 PM

Dayum!

June 5, 2002, 03:58 PM	#2
Ewok_Guy Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2001 Location: Endor Posts: 1,664	Damn, that thing looks like a fan blade! __________________ "Death and honor are thought to be the same, but today I have learned that sometimes they are not." --------------------- " I like big fat men like you. When they fall they make more noise! ...and sometimes they never get up." -Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

June 5, 2002, 04:08 PM	#3
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	Looks like something that Fackler, Marshall and Sanow could all agree on. __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

June 5, 2002, 08:00 PM	#7
Carbon_15 Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2001 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 938	Sure have sam. I fired 10 rounds into bare and 10 rounds into medium clothed (2 layers of denim, 1 layer of t-shirt)..they all looked pretty much the same. The ones I fired into clothed gelatin averaged around 1.189 with penetration numbers about the same as bare. __________________ Molon Labe http://carolinashootersforum.com/index.php

June 5, 2002, 08:30 PM	#10
CZ Gunner Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 799	Yeah, that's what SHE said! Tee.hee.hee __________________ Gunner "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." -- Vegitius, c. 375 AD

June 5, 2002, 08:30 PM	#11
KP95DAO Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2000 Posts: 699	Terminal ballistics. That is unusual. I have done a bit of testing over the years and it has been my experience that those petals should have been folded back along the bullet. Of course one could always bend them back to where they were sticking straight out from the bullet to get a bullet which looks like yours.

June 5, 2002, 04:19 PM	#4
TheSniper Member Join Date: August 17, 2001 Posts: 85	WOW!

June 5, 2002, 04:26 PM	#5
OF Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2000 Posts: 2,239	You've got to love those GD's. Especially the ProLoad cartridges. Good stuff! - Gabe

June 5, 2002, 04:44 PM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	OOOAHHHH. Good projectile performance. Tried it through cloth etc yet ? Sam

June 5, 2002, 08:25 PM	#8
DanP Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2002 Posts: 481	Thanks, very impressive!

June 5, 2002, 08:29 PM	#9
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	One word. WOW Sam

June 5, 2002, 09:05 PM	#12
glock glockler Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2000 Location: Portsmouth, NH, USA Posts: 905	Carbon, when are you going to be testing those 450smc loads? GG __________________ "It does not take a majority to prevail...but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." -Samuel Adams "Give me ten Jesuits and I shall conquer the world" -Stalin

June 5, 2002, 10:08 PM	#14
Rovert Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2001 Posts: 824	Whoa. Cool. That'll give some BG a real hangover. __________________ "Following the path of least resistance is what makes rivers, and men, crooked."

June 5, 2002, 11:09 PM	#15
Redlg155 Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: NW Florida Posts: 2,307	I'd like to see someone try the test with a denim jacket first, rack of ribs(pork should do nicely) then the ballistic gelatin. That should simulate the clothing barrier, chest and chest cavity pretty good. I'd do it myself but I keep eating the ribs. I'd like to see .45 Gold Dots in a test. Good SHooting RED

June 5, 2002, 11:51 PM	#16
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,040	Very interesting AND impressive!

June 6, 2002, 07:53 AM	#17
Snowdog Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 1,074	Carbon_15, Excellent job! Thanks for posting. __________________ "What We Do In Life, Echoes In Eternity" -Gladiator- ************************* Brevity Is The Soul of Wit. -Shakespeare-

June 6, 2002, 12:17 PM	#18
Tropical Z Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Location: Atlantis Posts: 1,683	That is some SWEET expansion! __________________ FREEDOM IS NEVER FREE!!!!!!!

June 6, 2002, 12:22 PM	#19
enfwago Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2000 Location: USA Posts: 145	WOW! That would hurt. Has anybody seen any 9mm loads that expand like that?

June 6, 2002, 04:57 PM	#20
VaughnT Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2000 Location: Western SC Posts: 663	WOW I've never seen a round expand so perfectly. Gorgeous photo work, too. I'll have to look into those rounds at the next show. Definitely appreciate your posting pics. __________________ When Reason Fails.....

June 6, 2002, 06:36 PM	#21
Lavan Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: California Posts: 2,714	How awful....it looks DEADLY. Is it a cop-killer bullet?

June 6, 2002, 06:43 PM	#22
jbutenhoff Junior Member Join Date: June 6, 2002 Posts: 9	Try Georgia Arms FYI Georgia Arms ( http://www.georgia-arms.com/ ) has a line using the same gold dot bullets, but much less expensive, $13.75 for 50! They are a very similiar loading to proload, 155 grains at 1375 fps. I use their 10MM FMJ rounds for practice and love em! Jamie

June 6, 2002, 07:20 PM	#23
lonegunman Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2001 Location: deep in georgia Posts: 1,724	Excellent expansion... Undoubtedly this would be the round of choice if ever attacked by 10% jello. in vivo performance may or may not be similar.

June 6, 2002, 07:23 PM	#24
OF Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2000 Posts: 2,239	The Georgia Arms stuff is great too. I only carry the ProLoad, though. The attention to detail at ProLoad is really spectacular. You won't find more consistently reliable and well-crafted carry ammo (at least not that I'm aware of). - Gabe

June 6, 2002, 07:49 PM	#25
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	Dayum! __________________ MAD OGRE

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