MYTH: To end all MYTH threads. :)

Correia · July 22, 2002, 02:42 PM

I figure that I had better list some of these future MYTH topics that we are bound to have here:

MYTH: We are all really good shots, and our choice of rifle is far more important than our skill.

MYTH: I can carry thousands of rounds of ammunition easily even though I don't own a proper LBE, ruck, or web gear.

MYTH: I can live in the forest and shoot down black helicopters easily even though they will have FLIR and 20mm chain guns.

MYTH: I can survive off of wild berries, bugs, and swamp grass for months at a time, and will refine my own urine into proper drinking water.

MYTH: Talking in endless loops about the end of the world with a bunch of other folks on the internet is much more usefull that getting to know my neighbors, voting, or campaigning for useful laws.

MYTH: Even though I am 60 lbs. overweight, lack the load bearing equipment to do so, haven't run since high school track, and have a cholesterol problem from all the potato chips I have eaten, I will have no problem fighting like a Chechan Warlord against the hordes of the UN/NWO/Clintons/Clone Army/Major L. Baseball/Girl Scouts/rioters/rampaging zombies. I will of course do this alone, because I don't routinely practice with any of the other gun people in my area.

MYTH: Since I personally can't hit anything beyond 200 yards, I will assume that neither will any of the strangers (who I have never shot with) on the internet can't either, and therefore have no need of a longer range, wind bucking cartridge. Anybody on the internet who claims that they can make routine shots out to 500 yards should be scoffed at, called a liar, and dismissed as "Untactical".

MYTH: I have never competed in a high power match, military match, or 3 gun match, neither have I seen combat. In fact I have never shot it under any stress at all. But I will pontificate endlessly about what I can do with my weapon should the need arise.

MYTH: I will have the same rifle as some of the top shooters in the country, and therefore assume that magically I will perform the same as those guys when I really need it. Even though they shoot 20,000 rounds a year in competition and serious practice, and I plink at beer cans once a month.

MYTH: I can't even lift a 10 lbs. rifle, and heavy recoil knocks me on my rear, so I will scoff at anybody who claims to shoot a MBR well, and I will assume they are lying.

MYTH: Since the internet is anonymous, I'm really good looking too.

MYTH: Since it happened in this particular gun fight, this certain way, in Hollywood, or Blackhawk down, or whatever, then it is gospel truth and should never be questioned, unless of course it goes against your particular choice of weapon, then it is a statistically insignificant point.

MYTH: Though I am 6'5" I will assume that a rifle that is comfortable to carry and shoot for myself will of course be just as comfy to somebody who is 4'9" and skinny. Anybody who disagrees with this is a wimp, and unable to weild a "Man's" gun.

MYTH: The SH** Hitting The Fan is a wonderful and eloquent slogan, that makes all of us gun enthusiasts look like educated, intelligent, and reasonable members of society. Who, when disaster strikes, will be out killing our neighbors en-mass to protect our supply of oreos and toilet paper, rather than helping them aformentioned neighbors. It is also reasonable to assume that the potential S*** that may hit said fan will be exactly the same in your area of South Central Los Angeles, as it will be in my area of suburban Utah. Of course all of this discussion helps people sitting on the fence of the gun issue come solidly into our camp, so that they too can protect their collection of beanie babies from looters.

So in conclusion, FOR THE LOVE OF JOHN MOSES BROWNING, can't we just get back to business. If you are worried, PREPARE! Prepare for what you think are the possibilities in your area! Learn to shoot! Practice! Compete! Go to school! Shoot with people better than you! If your buddy likes his AR, SKS, Mini-14, AK, FAL, G3, Cetme, or 1888 commission rifle, FINE! Let him like it! Just help him practice with it, so you both will be better!

blades67 · July 22, 2002, 02:50 PM

Quote:

MYTH: Since the internet is anonymous, I'm really good looking too.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

Goet · July 22, 2002, 02:52 PM

You hoard Oreos?

Marko Kloos · July 22, 2002, 03:01 PM

Amen, Brother Larry.

fastang50 · July 22, 2002, 03:03 PM

damn fine post sir

Dr.Rob · July 22, 2002, 03:10 PM

My editor just looked over at me for laughing out loud and nearly blowing Arizona Iced Tea out of my nose.

uglygun · July 22, 2002, 03:18 PM

This needs to be permanently tacked to the top of the forum!

Denny Hansen · July 22, 2002, 03:20 PM

Larry Correia, aka Ego Deflating Teller of the Truth

SHIVAN · July 22, 2002, 03:27 PM

I think the actual footage and the historical documents regarding both the Hollywood shootout and the mission in Somalia are quite excellent illustrations about tactics, ballistics, stress, mobility, planning, and execution. Examples which can be learned from..........

Otherwise, agreed on all counts.........

JasonReed · July 22, 2002, 03:39 PM

RIGHT ON Correia! I always get a chuckle from reading how so many folks on the 'net are CONVINCED that they are going to take on entire street gangs, LEO entry teams, or platoons of UN/Taliban/SHTF "goblins" and emerge victorious.

I've been shooting IDPA and a little IPSC for about eight years now, usually placing in the top 25-30%. So I figure that means about 1 in 4 of those folks could beat me in a standup fight, if we both started from the holster. Now decrease my odds by having the other guy get to start first. NOW lemme try it against two or three or a couple dozen, all shooting back AT THE SAME TIME. Pretty grim. Granted, the folks I'm competing against are better than yer average bad guy, but it is definitely eye opening.

That's why I like "which gun for rampaging zombies" threads more than SHTF: if yer gonna step into fantasy land, might as well go all the way!

Steve Smith · July 22, 2002, 03:40 PM

Thanks, Larry!

Larry Wright · July 22, 2002, 03:50 PM

Good post! But if we didn't embrace these myths, TFL traffic would decrease at least 50%. BTW, I "used" to be good looking or as Sam Eliot said in one of the Sackett films "Them ain't wrinkles, Thems war maps!

Yanus · July 22, 2002, 04:02 PM

He forgot some of the other MYTHS:

A. The check is in the mail.
B. It's only a cold sore..........
C. I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
D. I won't......in you mouth...... (Oh well, you get the picture!)

And my favorite, which just so happens to be the TRUTH....

Friendly fire..........isn't...........

Thank you very much,

Yanus

C.R.Sam · July 22, 2002, 04:18 PM

Larry............

Sam

The Plainsman · July 22, 2002, 04:24 PM

Correia;

Boy, are you on a toot, but I can't argue with anything you've said.

**Mike Irwin** · July 22, 2002, 04:29 PM

MYTH: I give a damn.

Scarborough · July 22, 2002, 04:42 PM

Well said BUT Oreos and milk are worth fighting for.

BigJoe · July 22, 2002, 04:57 PM

Love this one - way overdue. Wish I had the eloquence that you have in making the point. But I doubt that the "hardcore" will even recognize themselves up top. Take care all - Joe

Art Eatman · July 22, 2002, 05:21 PM

markmcj · July 22, 2002, 05:32 PM

Yep!!!!

I agree with the permanent clip to the top of the message board.

mark mcj

Bob Locke · July 22, 2002, 05:38 PM

Just another reason why you're one of my heroes, Larry.

ronin308 · July 22, 2002, 05:39 PM

Larry- I think your post should be called Gunshop Commando Kryptonite. You had me rolling!

Remmy · July 22, 2002, 05:41 PM

Quote:

MYTH: I can live in the forest and shoot down black helicopters easily even though they will have FLIR and 20mm chain guns.

I would quote most, but that one was pretty funny as well...nice post.

Savage110 · July 22, 2002, 05:41 PM

That's probably one of the most utterly hilarious things I've read.
Thanks for the laugh

CWL · July 22, 2002, 05:43 PM

Nice bit o' writing!

July 22, 2002, 02:42 PM	#1
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	MYTH: To end all MYTH threads. :) I figure that I had better list some of these future MYTH topics that we are bound to have here: MYTH: We are all really good shots, and our choice of rifle is far more important than our skill. MYTH: I can carry thousands of rounds of ammunition easily even though I don't own a proper LBE, ruck, or web gear. MYTH: I can live in the forest and shoot down black helicopters easily even though they will have FLIR and 20mm chain guns. MYTH: I can survive off of wild berries, bugs, and swamp grass for months at a time, and will refine my own urine into proper drinking water. MYTH: Talking in endless loops about the end of the world with a bunch of other folks on the internet is much more usefull that getting to know my neighbors, voting, or campaigning for useful laws. MYTH: Even though I am 60 lbs. overweight, lack the load bearing equipment to do so, haven't run since high school track, and have a cholesterol problem from all the potato chips I have eaten, I will have no problem fighting like a Chechan Warlord against the hordes of the UN/NWO/Clintons/Clone Army/Major L. Baseball/Girl Scouts/rioters/rampaging zombies. I will of course do this alone, because I don't routinely practice with any of the other gun people in my area. MYTH: Since I personally can't hit anything beyond 200 yards, I will assume that neither will any of the strangers (who I have never shot with) on the internet can't either, and therefore have no need of a longer range, wind bucking cartridge. Anybody on the internet who claims that they can make routine shots out to 500 yards should be scoffed at, called a liar, and dismissed as "Untactical". MYTH: I have never competed in a high power match, military match, or 3 gun match, neither have I seen combat. In fact I have never shot it under any stress at all. But I will pontificate endlessly about what I can do with my weapon should the need arise. MYTH: I will have the same rifle as some of the top shooters in the country, and therefore assume that magically I will perform the same as those guys when I really need it. Even though they shoot 20,000 rounds a year in competition and serious practice, and I plink at beer cans once a month. MYTH: I can't even lift a 10 lbs. rifle, and heavy recoil knocks me on my rear, so I will scoff at anybody who claims to shoot a MBR well, and I will assume they are lying. MYTH: Since the internet is anonymous, I'm really good looking too. MYTH: Since it happened in this particular gun fight, this certain way, in Hollywood, or Blackhawk down, or whatever, then it is gospel truth and should never be questioned, unless of course it goes against your particular choice of weapon, then it is a statistically insignificant point. MYTH: Though I am 6'5" I will assume that a rifle that is comfortable to carry and shoot for myself will of course be just as comfy to somebody who is 4'9" and skinny. Anybody who disagrees with this is a wimp, and unable to weild a "Man's" gun. MYTH: The SH Hitting The Fan is a wonderful and eloquent slogan, that makes all of us gun enthusiasts look like educated, intelligent, and reasonable members of society. Who, when disaster strikes, will be out killing our neighbors en-mass to protect our supply of oreos and toilet paper, rather than helping them aformentioned neighbors. It is also reasonable to assume that the potential S* that may hit said fan will be exactly the same in your area of South Central Los Angeles, as it will be in my area of suburban Utah. Of course all of this discussion helps people sitting on the fence of the gun issue come solidly into our camp, so that they too can protect their collection of beanie babies from looters. So in conclusion, FOR THE LOVE OF JOHN MOSES BROWNING, can't we just get back to business. If you are worried, PREPARE! Prepare for what you think are the possibilities in your area! Learn to shoot! Practice! Compete! Go to school! Shoot with people better than you! If your buddy likes his AR, SKS, Mini-14, AK, FAL, G3, Cetme, or 1888 commission rifle, FINE! Let him like it! Just help him practice with it, so you both will be better!

July 22, 2002, 02:52 PM	#3
Goet Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2000 Location: North Ogden, UT Posts: 953	You hoard Oreos? __________________ Bomb Canada!

July 22, 2002, 03:01 PM	#4
Marko Kloos Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,521	Amen, Brother Larry. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

July 22, 2002, 03:10 PM	#6
Dr.Rob Staff Alumnus Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Denver Posts: 2,454	My editor just looked over at me for laughing out loud and nearly blowing Arizona Iced Tea out of my nose. __________________ You broke into the wrong Rec Room!

July 22, 2002, 03:20 PM	#8
Denny Hansen Staff Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2001 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,422	Larry Correia, aka Ego Deflating Teller of the Truth __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

July 22, 2002, 03:03 PM	#5
fastang50 Member Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 86	damn fine post sir

July 22, 2002, 03:18 PM	#7
uglygun Senior Member Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Cowpie Ca Posts: 552	This needs to be permanently tacked to the top of the forum!

July 22, 2002, 03:27 PM	#9
SHIVAN Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 208	I think the actual footage and the historical documents regarding both the Hollywood shootout and the mission in Somalia are quite excellent illustrations about tactics, ballistics, stress, mobility, planning, and execution. Examples which can be learned from.......... Otherwise, agreed on all counts.........

July 22, 2002, 03:39 PM	#10
JasonReed Member Join Date: December 15, 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 91	RIGHT ON Correia! I always get a chuckle from reading how so many folks on the 'net are CONVINCED that they are going to take on entire street gangs, LEO entry teams, or platoons of UN/Taliban/SHTF "goblins" and emerge victorious. I've been shooting IDPA and a little IPSC for about eight years now, usually placing in the top 25-30%. So I figure that means about 1 in 4 of those folks could beat me in a standup fight, if we both started from the holster. Now decrease my odds by having the other guy get to start first. NOW lemme try it against two or three or a couple dozen, all shooting back AT THE SAME TIME. Pretty grim. Granted, the folks I'm competing against are better than yer average bad guy, but it is definitely eye opening. That's why I like "which gun for rampaging zombies" threads more than SHTF: if yer gonna step into fantasy land, might as well go all the way!

July 22, 2002, 03:40 PM	#11
Steve Smith Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 1999 Posts: 4,131	Thanks, Larry! __________________ Favor the X. Steve Smith NRA Life Member

July 22, 2002, 03:50 PM	#12
Larry Wright Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2001 Location: Yorktown, Va Posts: 289	Good post! But if we didn't embrace these myths, TFL traffic would decrease at least 50%. BTW, I "used" to be good looking or as Sam Eliot said in one of the Sackett films "Them ain't wrinkles, Thems war maps! __________________ A man with his heart in his profession finds ways and means where the worthless and lazy despair. Frederick the Great

July 22, 2002, 04:02 PM	#13
Yanus Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 1999 Location: Nowherespecial, TX Posts: 437	He forgot some of the other MYTHS: A. The check is in the mail. B. It's only a cold sore.......... C. I'm from the government, I'm here to help you. D. I won't......in you mouth...... (Oh well, you get the picture!) And my favorite, which just so happens to be the TRUTH.... Friendly fire..........isn't........... Thank you very much, Yanus __________________ Never do an enemy a minor injury. Machiavelli "Stay alive with a 45" "Keep America Beautiful, plant a terrorist!"

July 22, 2002, 04:18 PM	#14
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Larry............ Sam

July 22, 2002, 04:24 PM	#15
The Plainsman Senior Member Join Date: June 8, 2000 Location: Kansas Hill Country Posts: 449	Correia; Boy, are you on a toot, but I can't argue with anything you've said.

July 22, 2002, 04:29 PM	#16
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	MYTH: I give a damn. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

July 22, 2002, 04:42 PM	#17
Scarborough Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: Fargo North Dakota Posts: 543	Well said BUT Oreos and milk are worth fighting for.

July 22, 2002, 04:57 PM	#18
BigJoe Member Join Date: February 18, 2001 Location: Kommonwealth of Mass. Posts: 34	Love this one - way overdue. Wish I had the eloquence that you have in making the point. But I doubt that the "hardcore" will even recognize themselves up top. Take care all - Joe __________________ Molon Labe ! Eastern Mass. Rifle Range http://www.westwoodgunclub.org

July 22, 2002, 05:21 PM	#19
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798

July 22, 2002, 05:32 PM	#20
markmcj Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2000 Posts: 136	Yep!!!! I agree with the permanent clip to the top of the message board. mark mcj

July 22, 2002, 05:38 PM	#21
Bob Locke Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 1999 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 2,518	Just another reason why you're one of my heroes, Larry. __________________ "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

July 22, 2002, 05:39 PM	#22
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	Larry- I think your post should be called Gunshop Commando Kryptonite. You had me rolling! __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

July 22, 2002, 05:41 PM	#24
Savage110 Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2002 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 131	That's probably one of the most utterly hilarious things I've read. Thanks for the laugh __________________ - Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. - Don't take life too seriously . . . no one gets out alive.

July 22, 2002, 05:43 PM	#25
CWL Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,576	Nice bit o' writing!