The Ultimate Bear Gun

Wildalaska · December 7, 2002, 02:52 AM

OK its a plug, but I am still smiling!

It sort of started out as a joke, then of course after it was done, everybody who handled it had that stupid grin on their faces...

Its the ultimate Bear Defense Gun...the Wild West Guns Bushwacker..

Barrel length, 14 3/8 inches, stock cut off at the pistol grip, big loop lever, ghost ring sights, chambered in 457 magnum, Laser Light mount attached and a Insight Technologies M6 laser/illuminator attached.

Shot from the hip using the laser at about 15 feet, all the 457 Mag 405 Kodiaks were in a circle about 3 inches. Muzzle jump, because of the porting was non existent. If you hold it to close to your tummy, your spleen gets a kicking, but other wise its a gas to shoot.

We are going to try to shoot it one handed, its light enough to hold. Discretion being the better part of valor, probably will use 405 Remingtons!

And available from an NFA dealer in your state!

Guess what I'm gonna carry this summer!

lilbiggun · December 7, 2002, 05:12 AM

personally, I'll keep with an 18" bbl and a full stock rifle, unless of course your gonna have a demonstration where we can test out these beasts to see if we are interested. I mean I'm not gonna drop money on a class 3 license without some insight on it.

It sounds like a good idea but I never had much luck with a shotgun with a pistol grip.

Wildalaska · December 13, 2002, 06:17 PM

Come on by and check it out...maybe we can find some spare ammo

Here it is by the way

Zorro · December 13, 2002, 09:36 PM

Looks like something for the New Terminator III Movie!

Wildalaska · December 14, 2002, 12:48 AM

Wild huh?

..who says it has to be practical!?

PaladinX13 · December 14, 2002, 01:42 AM

To me, this is exactly what guns are about... FUN!

Jeeper · December 14, 2002, 06:40 PM

If ya ditch that moronic laser it would be cooler.

Wildalaska · December 14, 2002, 10:12 PM

That laser is the only way to aim it..

gordo b. · December 15, 2002, 07:56 PM

Front sight, front sight , front sight, front sight all else is Movie hype B.S..

PaladinX13 · December 15, 2002, 08:39 PM

Com'on guys, this gun pretty much has to be shot from the hip if you don't want to break a wrist... so how else you gonna aim it?

MeekAndMild · December 15, 2002, 10:36 PM

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I've always heard that a bear could beat a race horse in the hundred yard dash. I think I'd want something that could be shot from a longer distance, with standard stock for stability.

Wildalaska · December 16, 2002, 01:27 AM

Well if you shoot them further away (like 50 yards or so) youll have some explaining to do to F&G...

More likely you will need to shoot up close and personal anyway..

bronco61 · December 17, 2002, 01:31 PM

I think I'd want something that could be shot from a longer distance

Not if you're walking or fishing a densly wooded salmon stream or hiking these wooded trails.

And like WildAlaska stated, you have to be reeeel close to legaly shoot a bear in defense. Most times they false charge and stop just a few yards away while you wait with sweat dripping off you and your sphincter squeezed hard enough to crush diamonds, hoping and praying she turns around.

MarineTech · December 17, 2002, 08:51 PM

Truthfully.... I didn't think there was anything that needed improving on the Co-Pilot. Great brush gun, small enough to tote around comfortable, and accurate for the ranges it's likely to be employed in.

I think the Bushwacker is an interesting concept, but what can it do that a .475 or .500 Linebaugh revolver can't?

Wildalaska · December 17, 2002, 09:00 PM

"I think the Bushwacker is an interesting concept, but what can it do that a .475 or .500 Linebaugh revolver can't?"

Well its more powerfful...but other than that...its sure impressive at the range.....

k-dog · December 17, 2002, 11:52 PM

Wait a second. Federal law problems when you cut a rifle barrel below 16.5 inches. Little felonies, and little trips to prison.

Might be good for bear, but I sure don't think it's worth losing your virginity over.

MarineTech · December 18, 2002, 12:38 AM

Good point k-dog. Isn't that the reason Steve McQueen's "Mares Leg" from the old westerns was classified as a destructive device. Not sure if I'd want to pick up a tax stamp for a lever action.

Keith Rogan · December 18, 2002, 02:20 PM

I don't think I want to trust my life in the Alaskan bush to any gun that requires an exposed electronic gizmo and batteries to aim!

And how do you get your second shot off? With a lever rifle you just use your trigger hand to snap another round in the chamber without losing your sight picture. With this thing... By the time you got another round in and re-aimed, you'd wish you had a rifle instead!

Neat toy, but I hope nobody ever straps this thing on as a serious weapon.

bronco61 · December 18, 2002, 03:06 PM

I'm totally with you Kieth. Showed the gun to a couple buddies and they had the same opinions.

Wildalaska · December 18, 2002, 04:19 PM

Actually it comes with a regular stock..the pistol grip is just for looks and giggles.

Its a lot more shootable with the stock

Its actually surprisingly fast to get a second shot off with the pistol grip...but the regular stock is still way faster....

Keith Rogan · December 18, 2002, 05:57 PM

I'm still puzzled. If it's faster with a stock then why not just add another 1 1/4 inches to the barrel and have a rifle you don't need a class III license to buy?

I know, you could call it the co-pilot!

Oh yeah, and take that electronic thingy off of there!

H&H,hunter · December 18, 2002, 06:18 PM

I do know one thing for certain if batteries are included it ain't going to be on my dangerous game rig.

As far as the sawed off look,are we trying to attract more bloods and crips into the wilds of Alaska? I mean shoot, gang bangers got the right to hunt too!! This looks like the perfect drive by Moose rig.

gordo b. · December 18, 2002, 11:01 PM

Yeah a 16" legal barrel, a stock so you can use some real sights:ghost ring or express, then you can defend against REAL bears.

Mannlicher · December 20, 2002, 08:25 PM

If'n yer gonna shoot this silly thing from the hip, using the laser, why do you have a sight on it? If you are gonna use the sight, I fear you may well eat it when you touch it off. Looks pretty dumb to me.

dZ · December 20, 2002, 09:54 PM

me still thinks, Tromix 458 SOCOM on an AR lower would be potent ursine juju:
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm

December 7, 2002, 02:52 AM	#1
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	The Ultimate Bear Gun OK its a plug, but I am still smiling! It sort of started out as a joke, then of course after it was done, everybody who handled it had that stupid grin on their faces... Its the ultimate Bear Defense Gun...the Wild West Guns Bushwacker.. Barrel length, 14 3/8 inches, stock cut off at the pistol grip, big loop lever, ghost ring sights, chambered in 457 magnum, Laser Light mount attached and a Insight Technologies M6 laser/illuminator attached. Shot from the hip using the laser at about 15 feet, all the 457 Mag 405 Kodiaks were in a circle about 3 inches. Muzzle jump, because of the porting was non existent. If you hold it to close to your tummy, your spleen gets a kicking, but other wise its a gas to shoot. We are going to try to shoot it one handed, its light enough to hold. Discretion being the better part of valor, probably will use 405 Remingtons! And available from an NFA dealer in your state! Guess what I'm gonna carry this summer! Last edited by Art Eatman; December 14, 2002 at 12:22 AM.

December 14, 2002, 06:40 PM	#7
Jeeper Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2001 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 776	If ya ditch that moronic laser it would be cooler. __________________ Gun control theory - A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

December 15, 2002, 10:36 PM	#11
MeekAndMild Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2001 Posts: 4,988	I don't want to rain on your parade, but I've always heard that a bear could beat a race horse in the hundred yard dash. I think I'd want something that could be shot from a longer distance, with standard stock for stability. __________________ In a few years when the dust finally clears and people start counting their change there is a pretty good chance that President Obama may become known as The Great Absquatulator. You heard it first here on TFL.

December 17, 2002, 08:51 PM	#14
MarineTech Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2002 Location: Southern Maine US Posts: 299	Truthfully.... I didn't think there was anything that needed improving on the Co-Pilot. Great brush gun, small enough to tote around comfortable, and accurate for the ranges it's likely to be employed in. I think the Bushwacker is an interesting concept, but what can it do that a .475 or .500 Linebaugh revolver can't? __________________ Morituri Nolumus Mori - We who are about to die, don't want to. -

December 18, 2002, 12:38 AM	#17
MarineTech Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2002 Location: Southern Maine US Posts: 299	Good point k-dog. Isn't that the reason Steve McQueen's "Mares Leg" from the old westerns was classified as a destructive device. Not sure if I'd want to pick up a tax stamp for a lever action. __________________ Morituri Nolumus Mori - We who are about to die, don't want to. -

December 7, 2002, 05:12 AM	#2
lilbiggun Member Join Date: November 16, 2001 Location: los anchorage, alaska Posts: 61	personally, I'll keep with an 18" bbl and a full stock rifle, unless of course your gonna have a demonstration where we can test out these beasts to see if we are interested. I mean I'm not gonna drop money on a class 3 license without some insight on it. It sounds like a good idea but I never had much luck with a shotgun with a pistol grip.

December 13, 2002, 06:17 PM	#3
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Come on by and check it out...maybe we can find some spare ammo Here it is by the way

December 13, 2002, 09:36 PM	#4
Zorro Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2000 Posts: 1,072	Looks like something for the New Terminator III Movie!

December 14, 2002, 12:48 AM	#5
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Wild huh? ..who says it has to be practical!?

December 14, 2002, 01:42 AM	#6
PaladinX13 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Posts: 519	To me, this is exactly what guns are about... FUN!

December 14, 2002, 10:12 PM	#8
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	That laser is the only way to aim it..

December 15, 2002, 07:56 PM	#9
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	Front sight, front sight , front sight, front sight all else is Movie hype B.S..

December 15, 2002, 08:39 PM	#10
PaladinX13 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2000 Posts: 519	Com'on guys, this gun pretty much has to be shot from the hip if you don't want to break a wrist... so how else you gonna aim it?

December 16, 2002, 01:27 AM	#12
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Well if you shoot them further away (like 50 yards or so) youll have some explaining to do to F&G... More likely you will need to shoot up close and personal anyway..

December 17, 2002, 01:31 PM	#13
bronco61 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 1999 Location: Alaska Posts: 518	I think I'd want something that could be shot from a longer distance Not if you're walking or fishing a densly wooded salmon stream or hiking these wooded trails. And like WildAlaska stated, you have to be reeeel close to legaly shoot a bear in defense. Most times they false charge and stop just a few yards away while you wait with sweat dripping off you and your sphincter squeezed hard enough to crush diamonds, hoping and praying she turns around.

December 17, 2002, 09:00 PM	#15
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	"I think the Bushwacker is an interesting concept, but what can it do that a .475 or .500 Linebaugh revolver can't?" Well its more powerfful...but other than that...its sure impressive at the range.....

December 17, 2002, 11:52 PM	#16
k-dog Junior Member Join Date: December 17, 2002 Posts: 1	Wait a second. Federal law problems when you cut a rifle barrel below 16.5 inches. Little felonies, and little trips to prison. Might be good for bear, but I sure don't think it's worth losing your virginity over.

December 18, 2002, 02:20 PM	#18
Keith Rogan Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 1,014	I don't think I want to trust my life in the Alaskan bush to any gun that requires an exposed electronic gizmo and batteries to aim! And how do you get your second shot off? With a lever rifle you just use your trigger hand to snap another round in the chamber without losing your sight picture. With this thing... By the time you got another round in and re-aimed, you'd wish you had a rifle instead! Neat toy, but I hope nobody ever straps this thing on as a serious weapon. __________________ Keith

December 18, 2002, 03:06 PM	#19
bronco61 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 1999 Location: Alaska Posts: 518	I'm totally with you Kieth. Showed the gun to a couple buddies and they had the same opinions.

December 18, 2002, 04:19 PM	#20
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Actually it comes with a regular stock..the pistol grip is just for looks and giggles. Its a lot more shootable with the stock Its actually surprisingly fast to get a second shot off with the pistol grip...but the regular stock is still way faster....

December 18, 2002, 05:57 PM	#21
Keith Rogan Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Kodiak, Alaska Posts: 1,014	I'm still puzzled. If it's faster with a stock then why not just add another 1 1/4 inches to the barrel and have a rifle you don't need a class III license to buy? I know, you could call it the co-pilot! Oh yeah, and take that electronic thingy off of there! __________________ Keith

December 18, 2002, 06:18 PM	#22
H&H,hunter Senior Member Join Date: July 25, 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 504	I do know one thing for certain if batteries are included it ain't going to be on my dangerous game rig. As far as the sawed off look,are we trying to attract more bloods and crips into the wilds of Alaska? I mean shoot, gang bangers got the right to hunt too!! This looks like the perfect drive by Moose rig. __________________ Velocity is thrilling, But diameter does the real killing.

December 18, 2002, 11:01 PM	#23
gordo b. Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2002 Location: Peoples republik of Calif. Posts: 961	Yeah a 16" legal barrel, a stock so you can use some real sights:ghost ring or express, then you can defend against REAL bears.

December 20, 2002, 08:25 PM	#24
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	If'n yer gonna shoot this silly thing from the hip, using the laser, why do you have a sight on it? If you are gonna use the sight, I fear you may well eat it when you touch it off. Looks pretty dumb to me. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

December 20, 2002, 09:54 PM	#25
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	me still thinks, Tromix 458 SOCOM on an AR lower would be potent ursine juju: http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm __________________ "O tell the Lacedomecians to damn the torpedoes." BOTR, Chapter V: Some Monsters