G-Man Guns? What's Issued and Approved?

Country Boy · October 30, 2001, 04:55 PM

I'm looking for a comprehensive list of handgun makes/models and calibers that are used by federal law enforcement agencies (FBI, DEA, ATF, Marshal Service, INS, Border Patrol, Customs...). I'm trying to find which handguns are ISSUED and which other handguns are AUTHORIZED to be carried.

If you have any input as to what handguns are either issued or authorized by the Feds, I would appreciate it!

lonegunman · October 30, 2001, 06:50 PM

nevermind... i was answering the wrong question.

Gino · October 30, 2001, 08:27 PM

The FBI will allow an agent to carry the gun they were originally trained on. Since the FBI changes guns/calibers faster than most people change underwear, there are quite a few guns that can be seen on FBI agents.

Right now, the FBI is issuing Glocks in 40S&W to their new recruits.

Ala Dan · October 30, 2001, 10:15 PM

Past, Present, or Future?

Anything from Smith & Wesson model 10's, 3-1/2"
model 27's, 2-1/2" model 19's and/or 66's, on
thru all the new fandangled semi automatic's
including: Sig's, Glock's, and Springfield 1911's
for HRT member's. You name it, they just about
carried it.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.

Country Boy · October 31, 2001, 10:23 AM

I'm looking for what they carry in the PRESENT. I'm only looking at the "average" officer, not the FBI HRT or Marshal SOG teams.

Clipper · October 31, 2001, 11:00 AM

Guns Of The State Police:

Alabama Glock G23 .40 S&W
Alaska S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Arizona Sig P229 9mm
California S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Colorado S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Connecticut Sig P226 .40 S&W
Delaware Sig P229 .357 Sig
D.C. Glock G17 9mm
Florida Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Georgia Glock G22 .40 S&W
Hawaii S&W 5906 9mm
Idaho S&W 4586 .45 acp
Illinois Glock G22 .40 S&W
Indiana Beretta 92F 9mm
Iowa S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Kansas Glock G21 .45 acp
Kentucky S&W 1076 10mm
Louisiana Sig P229 .40 S&W
Maine HK USP .45 acp
Maryland Beretta 96F .40 S&W
Massachusetts Sig P226 .40S&W
Michigan Sig P226 9mm
Minnesota Beretta 96D .40 S&W
Mississippi S&W 4046 .40 S&W
Missouri Glock G22 .40 S&W
Montana S&W 5903 9mm
Nebraska Glock G22 .40 S&W
New Hampshire S&W 4566 .45 acp
Nevada S&W 4006 .40 S&W
New Jersey S&W SW99 9mm
New Mexico Glock G31 .357 Sig
New York Glock G17 9mm
North Carolina Beretta 96F .40 S&W
North Dakota S&W 4506 .45 acp
Ohio Sig P226 .40 S&W
Oklahoma Sig P229 .40 S&W
Oregon Glock G22 .40 S&W
Pennsylvania Beretta 92D 9mm
Rhode Island Beretta 96D .40 S&W
South Carolina Glock G22 .40 S&W
South Dakota Beretta 92F 9mm
Tennessee S&W SW40 .40 S&W
Texas Sig P229 .357 Sig
Utah Beretta Cougar .40 S&W
Vermont Sig P229 9mm
Virginia Sig P229 .357 Sig
Washington Beretta 92F 9mm
West Virginia S&W 4006 .40 S&W
Wisconsin Ruger P89 9mm
Wyoming Beretta 92F 9mm
-------------------------------------------------------
.40 S&W - 35 States
9mm - 14 States
.45 acp - 5 States
.357 Sig - 4 States
10mm - 1 State
-------------------------------------------------------
S&W - 15 States
Sig Arms - 12 States
Glock - 11 States
Beretta - 11 States
Ruger - 1 State
HK - 1 State

krept · October 31, 2001, 11:08 AM

In Arizona, I know that the Capitol Police (a state agency) carry Glock 22s or 23s. For some reason, I thought the DPS officers did as well. Capitol police must carry issue guns.

Agents of the US Naval Criminal Investigative Service carry Sig 9mms. From what I know, these are required carry as well for logistic reasons.

Arizona Game and Fish carry Sigs, .40 I believe.

The AZ Dept of Corrections officers (another state agency) I have seen were carrying Glocks.

Spackler · October 31, 2001, 12:23 PM

PA State Police carry the Beretta 96D, .40S&W, not the 92D in 9mm as the list indicates.

Country Boy · October 31, 2001, 12:23 PM

Clipper, how on earth did you compile all of that infor? Thanks. Any more info on the Feds?

Spackler · October 31, 2001, 12:31 PM

Also, the NJSP are switching over to the Sig P228. Not sure what the time-frame is for that.

M1911 · October 31, 2001, 12:32 PM

INS used to carry Ruger GP100s. Not too long ago, they switched to Beretta 96s. They're in the process of switching their undercover officers to HK USPc .40s. These HKs are fitted with the HK LEM trigger (DAO, around 7-8 lbs).

They're also allowing their uniformed personnel to purchase and carry the HKs.

M1911

Dave R · October 31, 2001, 12:33 PM

My bro in law is a 'regular' FBI agent. He is issued a Glock .40

mept · October 31, 2001, 03:12 PM

Is it a noisy crickit?

Shake · October 31, 2001, 03:19 PM

DEA bought 4,000 H&K compacts, I think in .45 (or was it .40??).

Shake

RWK · October 31, 2001, 04:42 PM

Current standard FBI issue handguns are, I believe, Glocks in .40 S&W, specifically the G23 or G22 (?), as the individual agent wishes. However, considerable autonomy in the use of other handguns is normally approved, with many other calibers and manufactures in day-to-day use.

STEVE M · October 31, 2001, 05:37 PM

Last I heard the USSS issues a SIG 228 (or 229) in 357SIG. FBI issuing Glock 23 in 40, Border Patrol Beretta 96 DAO in 40, IRS used to issue SIG 226 in 9MM, but haven't heard from them in a while (thank goodness). Don't know about the rest. If you ask the firearms companies they may give you a list, they do like to brag for PR reasons.

Clipper · November 1, 2001, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Clipper, how on earth did you compile all of that infor? Thanks. Any more info on the Feds?

I got it from a Sept/Oct 2001 American Handgunner magazine.

Brasso · November 1, 2001, 04:33 AM

Alabama carries the glock 22, not 23.

TxShooter · November 1, 2001, 06:41 PM

Texas issues the P226 .357 to uniformed troopers, P229 .357 to investigators. North Carolina is transitioning to the Beretta Cougar .357 SIG. IIRC, Kentucky was going to the Glock 22 .40.

Spackler · November 1, 2001, 07:17 PM

What do they carry in Brisbane? Sharp sticks? Or is that just the general population?

agtman · November 1, 2001, 07:29 PM

"***makes/models and calibers used by federal law enforcement agencies***"

That's going to be a long list because 95% of these agencies will allow agents or officers to deviate from the "standard issue" weapon for any of several reasons - ranging from senority to special-purpose assignment.

For example, the FBI, while "offically" transitioning to 40S&W Glock 22s/23s for newbie Quantico grads, still allows senior agents in the field to retain weapons previously qualified-with, e.g., the 10mm S&W 1076, among others. Also, the HRT-assigned weapon is the 1911 Springfield .45 acp.

Within the alphabet soup of the various federal LE agencies, officers/agents can carry an "approved" personally-owned weapon (or previously-issued piece) as long as they qualify with it, same as the officially issued pistol. (By the way, this is also the rule at many local PDs).

What make, model & caliber combinations get approved differs from agency to agency and depends on the specifics of an agency's written firearms policy. This is done almost exclusively to minimize liability, although if you reviewed them collectively you'd see a lot of overlap in the approved pistol/caliber combos.

Typically this means a pistol from a nationally recognized manufactuer, on the order of a S&W/Glock/Sig/Beretta/H&K/1911-pattern/Ruger/etc. Typically "approved" LE calibers, in autoloaders anyway, are going to run the 9mm/357Sig/40S&W/10mm/45acp gamut.

Check out the following site for the federal, state and local agencies that issue, or that upon qualification allow individual officers/agents to carry, the 10mm Auto (you'll see more than one federal agency listed):

http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10user.htm

Hope this helps.

Flattop · November 1, 2001, 07:35 PM

Was just shooting with an FBI buddy of mine this past Saturday. When he graduated the academy he was issued a SIG. That was 2-3 years ago, maybe 4 years ago. He traded the SIG in for a full size Glock 40 S&W as his duty weapon and carries the baby Glock 40 S&W as back-up.

TxShooter · November 1, 2001, 07:41 PM

Queensland (Brisbane) Police issue the Glock 22 to patrol, Glock 23 to detectives. New South Wales (Sydney) and the Northern Territory (Darwin) use the G22 as well. Victoria (Melbourne) use the 3" S&W M10, while Western Australia (Perth) uses the S&W Sigma .40.

As a side note, the shooters of Australia were disarmed through the use of buyback programs, rather than door-to-door confiscation. The majority of gunowners went along meekly, feeling that the buyback would net them more money than a private sale would. The IPSC and CAS shooters have buried their heads in the sand, thinking that because they particpate in "sport shooting" their guns won't be taken away. As a whole, they're sheep who never even considered resisting the new laws.

MP-5 · November 1, 2001, 10:28 PM

FBI, DEA, USMS,-Issue Glock 40s Authorize -a bunch!

INS, USBP,-Issue Beretta 96D 40s Authorize - H&K USPc 40s & Sig 229 40s

USCS -Issue Agents Glock 19 9mm Issue Inspectors Glock 17 9mm. Authorize - a bunch!

USSS&FAM-Issue Sig 229 357SIG Authorize-???

IRS&OIG-Issue Sig 228 9mm

USCP-Issue Glock 40s Authorize -???

USPP-Issue H&KP7M13s in 9mm??? Last I looked!

USPI-Issue Beretta 92M 9mm Authorize ???

US Wildlife- Issue Sig 228 9mm

BLM- Issue Glock 9mm Authorize ???

Whew! Running out of Agencies... Any more??

Country Boy · November 2, 2001, 09:05 AM

This is just what I was looking for, thanks! Do any of the various agencies have their firearm policies on the web?

October 30, 2001, 04:55 PM	#1
Country Boy Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2000 Location: Northern Border Posts: 699	G-Man Guns? What's Issued and Approved? I'm looking for a comprehensive list of handgun makes/models and calibers that are used by federal law enforcement agencies (FBI, DEA, ATF, Marshal Service, INS, Border Patrol, Customs...). I'm trying to find which handguns are ISSUED and which other handguns are AUTHORIZED to be carried. If you have any input as to what handguns are either issued or authorized by the Feds, I would appreciate it!

October 31, 2001, 12:33 PM	#12
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2000 Location: Idaho Posts: 6,073	My bro in law is a 'regular' FBI agent. He is issued a Glock .40 __________________ I am Pro-Rights (on gun issues).

October 31, 2001, 03:19 PM	#14
Shake Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 1999 Location: Utah Posts: 1,004	DEA bought 4,000 H&K compacts, I think in .45 (or was it .40??). Shake __________________ “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.” -George Patton

October 31, 2001, 04:42 PM	#15
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	Current standard FBI issue handguns are, I believe, Glocks in .40 S&W, specifically the G23 or G22 (?), as the individual agent wishes. However, considerable autonomy in the use of other handguns is normally approved, with many other calibers and manufactures in day-to-day use. __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

October 31, 2001, 05:37 PM	#16
STEVE M Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: TN. USA Posts: 607	Last I heard the USSS issues a SIG 228 (or 229) in 357SIG. FBI issuing Glock 23 in 40, Border Patrol Beretta 96 DAO in 40, IRS used to issue SIG 226 in 9MM, but haven't heard from them in a while (thank goodness). Don't know about the rest. If you ask the firearms companies they may give you a list, they do like to brag for PR reasons. __________________ MOLON LABE! I've joined the 300.

October 30, 2001, 06:50 PM	#2
lonegunman Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2001 Location: deep in georgia Posts: 1,724	nevermind... i was answering the wrong question.

October 30, 2001, 08:27 PM	#3
Gino Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: Lake City, FL USA Posts: 919	The FBI will allow an agent to carry the gun they were originally trained on. Since the FBI changes guns/calibers faster than most people change underwear, there are quite a few guns that can be seen on FBI agents. Right now, the FBI is issuing Glocks in 40S&W to their new recruits.

October 30, 2001, 10:15 PM	#4
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 13, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,116	Past, Present, or Future? Anything from Smith & Wesson model 10's, 3-1/2" model 27's, 2-1/2" model 19's and/or 66's, on thru all the new fandangled semi automatic's including: Sig's, Glock's, and Springfield 1911's for HRT member's. You name it, they just about carried it. Best Wishes, Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.

October 31, 2001, 10:23 AM	#5
Country Boy Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2000 Location: Northern Border Posts: 699	I'm looking for what they carry in the PRESENT. I'm only looking at the "average" officer, not the FBI HRT or Marshal SOG teams.

October 31, 2001, 11:00 AM	#6
Clipper Junior member Join Date: October 31, 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 89	Guns Of The State Police: Alabama Glock G23 .40 S&W Alaska S&W 4006 .40 S&W Arizona Sig P229 9mm California S&W 4006 .40 S&W Colorado S&W 4006 .40 S&W Connecticut Sig P226 .40 S&W Delaware Sig P229 .357 Sig D.C. Glock G17 9mm Florida Beretta 96D .40 S&W Georgia Glock G22 .40 S&W Hawaii S&W 5906 9mm Idaho S&W 4586 .45 acp Illinois Glock G22 .40 S&W Indiana Beretta 92F 9mm Iowa S&W 4046 .40 S&W Kansas Glock G21 .45 acp Kentucky S&W 1076 10mm Louisiana Sig P229 .40 S&W Maine HK USP .45 acp Maryland Beretta 96F .40 S&W Massachusetts Sig P226 .40S&W Michigan Sig P226 9mm Minnesota Beretta 96D .40 S&W Mississippi S&W 4046 .40 S&W Missouri Glock G22 .40 S&W Montana S&W 5903 9mm Nebraska Glock G22 .40 S&W New Hampshire S&W 4566 .45 acp Nevada S&W 4006 .40 S&W New Jersey S&W SW99 9mm New Mexico Glock G31 .357 Sig New York Glock G17 9mm North Carolina Beretta 96F .40 S&W North Dakota S&W 4506 .45 acp Ohio Sig P226 .40 S&W Oklahoma Sig P229 .40 S&W Oregon Glock G22 .40 S&W Pennsylvania Beretta 92D 9mm Rhode Island Beretta 96D .40 S&W South Carolina Glock G22 .40 S&W South Dakota Beretta 92F 9mm Tennessee S&W SW40 .40 S&W Texas Sig P229 .357 Sig Utah Beretta Cougar .40 S&W Vermont Sig P229 9mm Virginia Sig P229 .357 Sig Washington Beretta 92F 9mm West Virginia S&W 4006 .40 S&W Wisconsin Ruger P89 9mm Wyoming Beretta 92F 9mm ------------------------------------------------------- .40 S&W - 35 States 9mm - 14 States .45 acp - 5 States .357 Sig - 4 States 10mm - 1 State ------------------------------------------------------- S&W - 15 States Sig Arms - 12 States Glock - 11 States Beretta - 11 States Ruger - 1 State HK - 1 State

October 31, 2001, 11:08 AM	#7
krept Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2000 Location: AZ Posts: 1,363	In Arizona, I know that the Capitol Police (a state agency) carry Glock 22s or 23s. For some reason, I thought the DPS officers did as well. Capitol police must carry issue guns. Agents of the US Naval Criminal Investigative Service carry Sig 9mms. From what I know, these are required carry as well for logistic reasons. Arizona Game and Fish carry Sigs, .40 I believe. The AZ Dept of Corrections officers (another state agency) I have seen were carrying Glocks.

October 31, 2001, 12:23 PM	#8
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	PA State Police carry the Beretta 96D, .40S&W, not the 92D in 9mm as the list indicates.

October 31, 2001, 12:31 PM	#10
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	Also, the NJSP are switching over to the Sig P228. Not sure what the time-frame is for that.

October 31, 2001, 12:32 PM	#11
M1911 Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2000 Posts: 4,055	INS used to carry Ruger GP100s. Not too long ago, they switched to Beretta 96s. They're in the process of switching their undercover officers to HK USPc .40s. These HKs are fitted with the HK LEM trigger (DAO, around 7-8 lbs). They're also allowing their uniformed personnel to purchase and carry the HKs. M1911

October 31, 2001, 03:12 PM	#13
mept Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2000 Location: livonia, mi USA Posts: 188	Is it a noisy crickit?

November 1, 2001, 04:33 AM	#18
Brasso Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 1999 Location: AL Posts: 472	Alabama carries the glock 22, not 23.

November 1, 2001, 06:41 PM	#19
TxShooter Member Join Date: October 20, 1999 Location: Texas/Brisbane, Australia Posts: 40	Texas issues the P226 .357 to uniformed troopers, P229 .357 to investigators. North Carolina is transitioning to the Beretta Cougar .357 SIG. IIRC, Kentucky was going to the Glock 22 .40.

November 1, 2001, 07:17 PM	#20
Spackler Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Central PA, USA Posts: 367	What do they carry in Brisbane? Sharp sticks? Or is that just the general population?

November 1, 2001, 07:29 PM	#21
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	"makes/models and calibers used by federal law enforcement agencies" That's going to be a long list because 95% of these agencies will allow agents or officers to deviate from the "standard issue" weapon for any of several reasons - ranging from senority to special-purpose assignment. For example, the FBI, while "offically" transitioning to 40S&W Glock 22s/23s for newbie Quantico grads, still allows senior agents in the field to retain weapons previously qualified-with, e.g., the 10mm S&W 1076, among others. Also, the HRT-assigned weapon is the 1911 Springfield .45 acp. Within the alphabet soup of the various federal LE agencies, officers/agents can carry an "approved" personally-owned weapon (or previously-issued piece) as long as they qualify with it, same as the officially issued pistol. (By the way, this is also the rule at many local PDs). What make, model & caliber combinations get approved differs from agency to agency and depends on the specifics of an agency's written firearms policy. This is done almost exclusively to minimize liability, although if you reviewed them collectively you'd see a lot of overlap in the approved pistol/caliber combos. Typically this means a pistol from a nationally recognized manufactuer, on the order of a S&W/Glock/Sig/Beretta/H&K/1911-pattern/Ruger/etc. Typically "approved" LE calibers, in autoloaders anyway, are going to run the 9mm/357Sig/40S&W/10mm/45acp gamut. Check out the following site for the federal, state and local agencies that issue, or that upon qualification allow individual officers/agents to carry, the 10mm Auto (you'll see more than one federal agency listed): http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10user.htm Hope this helps.

November 1, 2001, 07:35 PM	#22
Flattop Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 199	Was just shooting with an FBI buddy of mine this past Saturday. When he graduated the academy he was issued a SIG. That was 2-3 years ago, maybe 4 years ago. He traded the SIG in for a full size Glock 40 S&W as his duty weapon and carries the baby Glock 40 S&W as back-up.

November 1, 2001, 07:41 PM	#23
TxShooter Member Join Date: October 20, 1999 Location: Texas/Brisbane, Australia Posts: 40	Queensland (Brisbane) Police issue the Glock 22 to patrol, Glock 23 to detectives. New South Wales (Sydney) and the Northern Territory (Darwin) use the G22 as well. Victoria (Melbourne) use the 3" S&W M10, while Western Australia (Perth) uses the S&W Sigma .40. As a side note, the shooters of Australia were disarmed through the use of buyback programs, rather than door-to-door confiscation. The majority of gunowners went along meekly, feeling that the buyback would net them more money than a private sale would. The IPSC and CAS shooters have buried their heads in the sand, thinking that because they particpate in "sport shooting" their guns won't be taken away. As a whole, they're sheep who never even considered resisting the new laws.

November 1, 2001, 10:28 PM	#24
MP-5 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2000 Posts: 208	FBI, DEA, USMS,-Issue Glock 40s Authorize -a bunch! INS, USBP,-Issue Beretta 96D 40s Authorize - H&K USPc 40s & Sig 229 40s USCS -Issue Agents Glock 19 9mm Issue Inspectors Glock 17 9mm. Authorize - a bunch! USSS&FAM-Issue Sig 229 357SIG Authorize-??? IRS&OIG-Issue Sig 228 9mm USCP-Issue Glock 40s Authorize -??? USPP-Issue H&KP7M13s in 9mm??? Last I looked! USPI-Issue Beretta 92M 9mm Authorize ??? US Wildlife- Issue Sig 228 9mm BLM- Issue Glock 9mm Authorize ??? Whew! Running out of Agencies... Any more??

November 2, 2001, 09:05 AM	#25
Country Boy Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2000 Location: Northern Border Posts: 699	Thanks! This is just what I was looking for, thanks! Do any of the various agencies have their firearm policies on the web?