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Ledbetter · August 23, 2002, 06:05 PM

It's not voluntary if the government takes away your right to self-defense against your will.

The only freedom Britons enjoy in this regard is the freedom to flee for their lives rather than risk the severe governmental consequences of defending oneself against criminal attack.

"We give up rights, because we are free to do so."
"We run away from danger, because we are brave."

I have lost track of how many times agricola has switched the argument around, but if a right is natural to mankind, how can it NOT exist in a _free_ country.

To argue that both countries are free is just to deny the truth. In Britain you are guaranteed no rights whatsoever. Like your National Health Pyramid, the only rights you have are statutory and can be taken away by the stroke of the same pen that granted them. In truth and on paper, Britain is populated by subjects, not citizens.

I enjoy constitutional freedom every day. Do you?
I am guaranteed that certain rights cannot be taken from me by the courts or the government, how about you?

August 23, 2002, 06:05 PM	#153
Ledbetter Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2000 Location: California USA Posts: 4,533	Reality check It's not voluntary if the government takes away your right to self-defense against your will. The only freedom Britons enjoy in this regard is the freedom to flee for their lives rather than risk the severe governmental consequences of defending oneself against criminal attack. "We give up rights, because we are free to do so." "We run away from danger, because we are brave." I have lost track of how many times agricola has switched the argument around, but if a right is natural to mankind, how can it NOT exist in a _free_ country. To argue that both countries are free is just to deny the truth. In Britain you are guaranteed no rights whatsoever. Like your National Health Pyramid, the only rights you have are statutory and can be taken away by the stroke of the same pen that granted them. In truth and on paper, Britain is populated by subjects, not citizens. I enjoy constitutional freedom every day. Do you? I am guaranteed that certain rights cannot be taken from me by the courts or the government, how about you?