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it's a real mess......it makes a good man REAL mad to see what could happen to him in case of self defense, regardless of what was use for ammo. May as well walk around with a baseball bat, maybe bash a few lawyers for creating all this mess, specially zealot prosecutors.....Look at what the nice democrat and republican bunch in Sacramento have created in California. Truly, American people are being pushed too far. This is a very intructional thread and I'm very gratefull to you people for your input. So be it, I'll have to buy factory ammo.....Thanks, Dan
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