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February 3, 2021, 02:12 PM | #1 |
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Sending a Firearm Back: Does Shadow Systems Need My Driver’s License According to the ATF?
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Over my years here I’ve sent a number of firearms back to the manufacturer. Not long ago I purchased a Shadow Systems MR920. It had some functional issues and after contacting the manufacturer they sent me a label. In the instructions they asked for a photocopy of my drivers license. I sent one in, but edited out my drivers license number and birth date because I didn’t think they would need that (my assumption was they mainly wanted the address). They since contacted me saying they need a completely unedited driver’s license in order to comply with ATF regulations. I’m not a huge fan of sharing my information when not needed. I have never once had a manufacturer request this of me, including last year when I sent a firearm to CZ. Does anyone know if their claim is correct? Thanks, TR Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
February 3, 2021, 02:26 PM | #2 |
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I would check directly with ATF. We sometimes think of them as the bad guys, but they can actually be pretty helpful. Whether or not it's required by the ATF, someone receiving a firearm from you may want some verification of your identity and, specifically, your age. I suspect it is the manufacturer's requirement, not ATF's. Last time I sent a gun for repair, no copy of my DL was requested. In fact, I sent one to E. R. Shaw for a new barrel recently, no DL.
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The ATF regulation that they are required to abide by is https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id..._1125&rgn=div8 Quote:
While federal law and ATF regulations permit a manufacturer to return a repaired or replacement firearm directly to the owner, more and more are not. It's possible Shadow Systems wants to be sure you are old enough to possess a firearm. If their business policy is to require an unedited copy of your DL, then they are completely within their rights to ask for it. You of course can refuse and go elsewhere.
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February 3, 2021, 02:31 PM | #4 |
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Good point. I asked a friend that is a current FFL and he was unaware of the requirement for a photocopy of my license. Frankly I’ve had my personal information stolen before and it’s something I’m leery of.
If they had said, “It’s company policy”, I wouldn’t have been as intrigued. Saying it’s a requirement of the ATF has me more intrigued. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; February 3, 2021 at 08:22 PM. |
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Thank you for that. In fairness to them this is something I should have clarified before sending the firearm in. My guess is if I want them to service the firearm I need to include this information. I just wish they’d say, “It’s our corporate policy”, rather than, “The ATF requires this”. It’s their choice to do this, and like you said I can either avail myself of their services or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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February 3, 2021, 02:49 PM | #7 | |
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Sending a Firearm Back: Does Shadow Systems Need My Driver’s License According to the ATF?
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He was unaware of a firearms manufacturer needing my drivers license number in this particular case, as in he didn’t believe that was the case. You just stated they are not required by the ATF to have that number. How exactly was he wrong? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by TunnelRat; February 3, 2021 at 03:19 PM. |
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February 3, 2021, 08:11 PM | #8 | |
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" I asked a friend that is a current FFL and he was unaware of the requirement." it sounds like he was unaware of the only requirement that matters....ATF. And ATF spells out exactly what the requirement is.
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February 3, 2021, 08:14 PM | #9 |
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Okay that wasn't how I meant it, apologies for the confusion I caused.
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February 3, 2021, 08:26 PM | #10 |
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After asking Shadow Systems which ATF requirement meant they needed a full copy of my driver's license their compliance specialist told the service rep that the copy of the photo ID could be edited as long as it still showed my full name and address. I had edited out my middle name in addition to birth date and driver's license number. My guess is the compliance person saw it originally and asked the service rep for an unaltered version as it would be faster than the full explanation. Then the service rep thought only an unaltered copy of the ID would work. Regardless, it's all squared away.
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February 3, 2021, 08:57 PM | #11 |
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I have sent firearms back to Sig, Dan Wesson, and CZ. None have required a copy of my drivers license. It is my understanding there are some differences between manufacturers and non-manufacturers with FFLs. Don’t have time to research it now
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February 3, 2021, 10:12 PM | #12 |
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I've sent guns to the factory for repair and had them sent back directly to me.
what you describe is not an ATF regulation but a local business policy or an uninformed sales rep opinion. |
February 4, 2021, 06:12 AM | #13 |
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I have in recent years, shipped guns to Colt and Uberti for repairs. Neither one required my drivers license.
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February 4, 2021, 06:20 AM | #14 |
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In a recent transfer my ffl required the sender to send him a copy of his drivers license.
My ffl explained there is some scam where false people requested ffl information not to send a firearm but to get the ffl s information for some scam. Whatever the reason, my ffl wanted to be sure everyone he was sending info to was a legit person. This is all above my pay grade.
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February 4, 2021, 08:29 PM | #15 |
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Same, twice to DW. Never did anything other than get a label from them and box it up. Same for the Remington trigger recall, that one went from and back too my door
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February 5, 2021, 07:36 AM | #16 |
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Yep...sent two guns back to S&W recently and no driver's license was required. Rod
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February 5, 2021, 07:39 AM | #17 |
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I also sent a pistol back to S&W last year (2020), and I don't recall having to send my DL to them.
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February 7, 2021, 03:36 PM | #18 |
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Its not a Fed thing, its a receiver of the gun thing.
Some feel the law mandates they have ID of the sender. That is not true but some call for it as a cover your ass thing. I had an FFL whig out when I sent a gun without it, the buyer had not specified nor did the FFL on supply the copy of the FFL for shipping. Upshot was it was his call not mine, sans a DL he was sending it back so I faxed that to him. An FFL (which is what a gun company is) can set whatever conditions they want. You don't have to ship it to them. On the flip side, States sell all your information and the data bases have been hacked over and over again by the Chinese and Russians (mostly) . Yes I know, my access to the Airport was hacked in a huge hack (Chinese) My credit cart company has been hacked (forget who) My credit information has been hacked (that is everyone in the country) Police departments have licensee plate scanners that data is not secure as well as cell phone snatcher system (and on and on) You can buy an ID on the dark Web for $10. Reality is the only person in the wold that does not have your information is you. Try to get your own information sometime!
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February 7, 2021, 03:38 PM | #19 | |
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Per a previous update they agreed to a copy of my license with just my name and address visible. You’re right that most of us have had our information compromised. It doesn’t mean I voluntarily give out my information when I don’t have to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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March 1, 2021, 07:40 PM | #20 |
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Ask that company to show where the ATF requires the wanted info.
Show them some of the things here that disagree w/ that idea. |
December 27, 2023, 08:42 AM | #21 |
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That's a pretty specific situation with sending a firearm back and the driver's license request.
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December 27, 2023, 09:18 AM | #22 |
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Belt & Suspenders by a company fearful of both scam & Big Brother.
(not necessarily an unreasonable concern in these "latter" days) |
December 27, 2023, 02:58 PM | #23 |
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The question was asked in Feb of 2021.
Thread went dormant in March, 2021. Pretty sure the OP's issue has been resolved by now.
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