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Old October 22, 2002, 09:32 PM   #1
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Sniper has TOP GOVERNMENT CLEARANCES

How else is this guy able to evade roadblocks setup minutes after a shoot.

He has probably been stopped several times by LE, he just waves his credentials and they let him go without questioning.

I listen to scanners, and in more than several instances, I have heard dispatch advise officer to let person go, even after officer has found incriminating behaviour and material.

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Old October 22, 2002, 09:37 PM   #2
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"Sniper has TOP GOVERNMENT CLEARANCES"

Gee Waterdog, that is some kind of speculation you have here.
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Old October 22, 2002, 09:51 PM   #3
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Or perhaps he simply has a mobile scanner, and like you is listening to the chatter and knows which spots to avoid.
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Old October 22, 2002, 09:54 PM   #4
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First off, what sniper? This yo-yo is shooting folks at 100 to 150 yards, which means he's about average for most rural 12-year olds. That ain't no sniper!

This murderer is obviously reasonably clever. He spots a target area, figures out some sort of escape route, and does his deal. At legal speeds, in four or five minutes he's a couple of miles away. It takes at least four or five minutes to get patrol cars into any sort of blocking position, and really, there ain't enough cars and cops.

And this perp is working an area just loaded with resident FBI, BATF, CIA, DIA, military, etc., etc., many of whom--I figure--have guns in their vehicles.

Let us avoid tinfoil hats, okay? And, yeah, none of the above proves some fed-gov-guy hasn't gone bonkers...

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Old October 22, 2002, 09:55 PM   #5
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Not a chance in hell.
The sniper could be George effing Tenet for all we know, but there is absolutely no way he's using a USG security clearence to avoid checkpoints.

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Old October 22, 2002, 09:59 PM   #6
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Damn ... now I gotta run to the store and buy more tin foil
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Old October 22, 2002, 10:08 PM   #7
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Old October 22, 2002, 10:10 PM   #8
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I find the tin foil works best with the shiny side facing out...
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Old October 22, 2002, 10:17 PM   #9
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Tinfoil hat Princess is at it again .
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Old October 22, 2002, 10:31 PM   #10
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Waterpooch, nice theory.

Here's the problem. I drove through a roadblock in my white pick-up with an AR-15 under the seat by courteously greeting the officer and in general looking normal. Anyone clever enough to pull off so many sucessful escapes can surely do the same. No special credentials needed.

Look around, with basic hunting exprience, knowledge of tactics and police operations most of us can probably select a shooting position and accurately predict roadblock locations and police response during the escape. That doesn't make us snipers or super-secret government agents. This guy is just scum with ok marksmanship abilities and excellent fieldcraft ability. At this point I'd have to say terrorist. Not everything is an evil government plot.
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Old October 22, 2002, 11:01 PM   #11
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How else is this guy able to evade roadblocks setup minutes after a shoot.

Let's see, so far they are getting the blocks up in about 5-10 minutes. At 30 MPH in 5 min (lets give them the quickest possible response time as a favor) he's 2 and a half miles away before they START setting up the blocks. If he hits the interstate as suspected at 55 MPH, he's about 4 1/2 to 5 miles away BEFORE they set up. And this takes a scanner, let alone a "top government clearance"????
Look, guys, it isn't hard to make a getaway, it happens every day all over the country, for all kinds of crimes. That's why there is a name for it! The only crooks who get caught at the scene of a crime are the STUPID ones who stay too long or run into something trying to get away. The halfway smart ones have to be tracked down, just like this guy. Almost every serial killer has been caught by LUCK, not by swift police work.
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Old October 22, 2002, 11:06 PM   #12
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We are assuming he isn't a trained sniper, because his shots would be considered mediocre by standards within the trained sniper community.

But, where does it say he has to shoot to his full pontential. He is smart enough to know, that a
sign of precision shooting, would surely indicate training, and would narrow the field of players.

He is hitting everything he is shooting at, and is
succeeding at creating chaos in the area.

I think hitting his target is secondary in importance, evasion is priority #1.

Yup!, just keep on refering to my TINFOIL HAT!

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Old October 22, 2002, 11:23 PM   #13
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Yeah I find it interesting that everyone is making a big deal about what a loser this guy is and how he isn't a "real sniper". Well I agree this guy is scum of the earth, but at the same time, he is 10 for 13 on his shooting to kill and he is 13 for 13 on getting away with it. His skills are worth respecting as he knows a little about what he is doing. Yeah, he is a low form of life on this earth when he finally gets caught, but right now, he is pretty much in control of the the situation.

The same thing applies to the 9/11 terrorists. We don't need to investigate them. We don't need to investigate "security lapses". The fact of the matter is the 9/11 terrorists had their heads screwed on straight and effectively took advantage of the current U.S. complacency to executre an extremely successful attack. Fortunately, their ability to carry out further attacks ended just minutes later when the passengers of Flight 93 stormed the cockpit. After Flight 93, the presendence of letting the terrorists control the situation ended. Look at the few examples of passengers getting rowdy or suspicious on aircraft sense. If air marshals don't take care of them, dozens of passengers are beating the crap out of and restraining those persons.

Call these people cowards, call them whatever you want, but you are being foolish if you don't recognize that they are/were proficient at the task they set out to perform and that there isn't too much you could do in hindsight to stop it. This doesn't mean that we should just accept that the Beltway shooter is going to do what he is going to do and there is nothing you can do about it. If I were in the area, I would have my M1A or M1 in the trunk of my car. I doubt I would ever get placed in the situation to use it, but at least I would have the means. Right now I don't think there is anyway to predict what he/she does next or how he/she is going to get caught.
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Old October 22, 2002, 11:31 PM   #14
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Not to change the subject, but do they have the death penalty out there?
Hope so when catch this POS.
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Old October 22, 2002, 11:56 PM   #15
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Virginia has the death penalty, but I'm not sure about Maryland.
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Old October 23, 2002, 12:14 AM   #16
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I listen to scanners, and in more than several instances, I have heard dispatch advise officer to let person go, even after officer has found incriminating behaviour and material.
Dispatchers don't advise officers to let people go. That's a decision that is made strictly by commissioned law enforcement officers.
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Old October 23, 2002, 12:18 AM   #17
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Maryland has the death penalty. We have many people awaiting exectution. They wait for years, and years and years... And the wait got longer as our governor has placed an indefinate (I think it is indefinate) moratorium on exectutions while every death penalty case is reviewed. Something about it being racist. I'm pretty sure if KKT gets elected there will no longer be a death penalty in MD (basically the gov. went as close to abolishing as he can now, without killing KKT's, his chosen successors, chances).
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Old October 23, 2002, 12:22 AM   #18
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I don't think Virginia will have much of a problem throwing the switch.

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Old October 23, 2002, 12:24 AM   #19
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Old October 23, 2002, 01:06 AM   #20
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"Yup!, just keep on refering to my TINFOIL HAT!"
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Old October 23, 2002, 01:15 AM   #21
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Hiding in plain sight is very effective, and none of the areas have been cleared of everybody post shooting AFAIK.
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Old October 23, 2002, 01:21 AM   #22
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There is no way to draw more attention to yourself than to tell an LEO "You must let me through the roadblock without searching me. I have a secret agent security pass"
I used to have a TS SBI security clearance from one of the alphabet agencies. I didn't realize it carried any weight with the civilian LEO's.
I would like to hear from the LEOs on TFL. What would be your reaction at a roadblock to a guy who flashes a CIA or DIA ID?
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Old October 23, 2002, 03:37 AM   #23
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I have been saying this for quite a while now, but I bet you the reason they have not caught the shooter is that he's not leaving the area in a hurry like they think he is. I think this person is taking the shot, putting the gun in their car, and then casually walking around looking normal. In fact, if this person is cold enough, they could be going right over to the press and saying "Wow! Look what I saw!". I think the police are perhaps looking in the wrong place for this maniac.
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Old October 23, 2002, 08:12 AM   #24
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Regarding the skill, or lack of, of the sniper: What makes anyone think that this guy is always going after a kill. He is obviously a drama queen and enjoys inflicting pain and suffering. Death may be too merciful for him at times. Shooting the man in the stomach right after he ate a large steak dinner at the Ponderosa was hardly a missed shot. This is one sick puppy.
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Old October 23, 2002, 09:25 AM   #25
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Me thinks he is posing as a reporter.

1. Bang
2. Lay low
3. Come out with the masses
4. Take pictures
5. Leave with the rest

There are plenty of ways to hide a modified gun in with camera equipment.

For what it's worth, that's my theory.
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