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May 2, 2001, 01:21 PM | #1 | |
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From an e-mail I recieved today:
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May 2, 2001, 01:33 PM | #2 |
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Ha, what luck. They just got through trying to charge me interest on a credit card that I pay in full every month and after sitting on hold for 20 minutes and getting the "we don't care when it was mailed out, only when it went into the computer" line I promptly cussed them out and canceled the card, as soon as I get another account set up I intend to pull all of my money out of their bank. This will give me yet another reason to tell them why I did.
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May 2, 2001, 09:43 PM | #3 | |
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Here is what I sent them:
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May 2, 2001, 10:00 PM | #4 |
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Dean, if you get a confirmation back on that from the bank, let us know. I bank with BOA, and will also close my account with them if they are pulling this nonsense. But I don't want to close the account unless the policy has been verified.
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May 2, 2001, 10:00 PM | #5 |
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Here's a link with more info:
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/bofa.htm It gives a slightly more accurate account of the problem, including a transcript of a conversation with a BofA representative, but the basic facts are the same. |
May 2, 2001, 11:15 PM | #6 |
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What about using a BoA Card to PURCHASE a firearm or ammunition? Will they decline it? Like when they see that someone made a purchase at "Silver State Arms"? Can they set their system up to decline the purchase if it comes from specific merchants, even though the merchant is using a different service?
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May 2, 2001, 11:25 PM | #7 |
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In a way, I wish they would set up the electronic approval process to deny purchases from gun businesses. That would get a lot more people in on the boycott.
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May 2, 2001, 11:30 PM | #8 |
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DArn, just checked - no B of A account that I can call and cancel!!
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May 2, 2001, 11:46 PM | #9 | |
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Here's an email I just got on the subject at [email protected]
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May 3, 2001, 12:53 AM | #10 |
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hrm . .bank of america holds my mortgage. Grr.
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May 3, 2001, 02:55 AM | #11 |
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Refinance
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May 3, 2001, 10:12 AM | #12 |
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I'm letting them know that ANY FURTHER CONTACT FROM THEM (solicitations for CCs, loans, ANYTHING) will result in my prosecuting them under SC state law for HARASSMENT. God, I love the laws in this state!!!!
I'm notifying by phone first (just for the pleasure of their response), and following up with a letter to their legal dept. OH YEAH!!!!! |
May 3, 2001, 02:36 PM | #13 |
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*First Post* Calls in to B of A
Greetings to Fellow Shooters and Friends of the 2nd Amendment!
I read about this issue on Free Republic and registered here today. This is my first post at the Firing Line. I put in calls here in Charleston to get verification about this B of A policy. Its not that I don't believe what has been said but as the B of A source was in the People's Republic of California, I wanted to see what the locals here had to say. (And rake them over the coals if the op presents itself) I have been a customer of this bank in one incarnation or another since hurricane Hugo blew through in 89 and I will not hesitate to cancel my checking, savings and credit card if B of A participates in the de facto regulation of the gun industry. And the piehole will be open about it to anyone who will listen here (in Chas). Keepin the powder dry, piehole |
May 3, 2001, 02:58 PM | #14 |
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Please let us know what you find out...
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May 3, 2001, 03:12 PM | #15 |
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Here are a bunch of telephone numbers!
I've already started my daily calls on this anti-american crap that BofA is pulling. Here are many numbers and they tout that you can talk to a real person.....Let the games begin!!!
http://www.bankamerica.com/contact/call_expert.html When you need information, sometimes it's best to talk to a real person. Here's a list with the numbers you need. If you are speech or hearing impaired, you can use our TDD number at 800-551-4453. To Talk to an Expert about: Call this Number: PERSONAL BANKING Online Banking Bank of America Credit Card® (existing customers) 800-888-3812 Online Banking (existing customers) 800-792-0808 (international collect 415-278-8078) Military Online Banking 800-334-1920 ATM, Debit and Check Cards 800-622-8731 New Checking and Savings Accounts 800-900-9000 Existing Checking and Savings Accounts CA 800-622-8731 OR 800-843-2632 ID, WA 800-442-6680 Computer Checks 800-590-8767 Credit Cards Credit Card Applications 800-678-2632 Credit Card General Inquiry 888-948-2273 Credit Card Report Lost & Stolen Cards 800-942-3843 New Home Equity and Consumer Loans (except credit cards) 800-900-9000 Existing Home Equity and Consumer Loans (except credit cards) CA 800-621-1044 ID, OR, WA 800-638-2282 Home Loans 888-391-7538 Insurance 800-288-7647 Investment & Brokerage Services Personal Investment Consulting Service 800-765-4949 Discount Brokerage Services 800-926-1111 IRAs 800-WEB-BANK Military Banking 888-645-2265 Nations Funds 800-248-0290 Premier Banking Find the phone number of the office nearest you. Student Banking 800-344-8382 TrustAmerica Account 800-721-6043 BUSINESS SERVICES Small Business Customer Service 800-600-4000 Business Center 888-433-3249 Merchant Services 800-228-5882 Card Solutions 800-472-1424 Global Trade Services Client Support 800-407-7842 Correspondent Mortgage Lending 214-743-9970 Wholesale Mortgage Lending 925-356-1749 Government Card Services 800-472-1424 BANK OF AMERICA CORPORATION General Information 650-615-4700 Corporate Community Development 415-953-3175 Investor Relations 704-386-8486 Shareholder Services 800-642-9855 Media Inquiries 415-622-3800 or media contacts Visually Impaired Access 1-800-ENABLE-U (1-800-362-2538)
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May 3, 2001, 03:29 PM | #16 |
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Hrm .. yeah. Make sure to post if it's echoed in Charleston.
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May 3, 2001, 03:57 PM | #17 |
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Is Bank of America the same as MBNA America?
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May 3, 2001, 04:03 PM | #18 |
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Bank of America holds my mortgage too. I'm trying to refinance right now and went first to them to find out what kind of deal they are offering for mortgages they are currently servicing. I called their 800 number, then the typical several minutes of hunting through their phone menu until I got to the recording saying something like "Push 3 for Mortgage Refinance questions". When I pushed the button, the voice said "Sorry, due to the high volume of calls we can not process your call at this time. Please call back later"! Ok, an hour later I try again. Same thing. The next day, the same thing. Never in my life have I dealt with a company so arrogant as to tell me "Piss off, we're too busy to even let you wait to talk to us". Maybe a gunowner boycott will help them to see the light.
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May 3, 2001, 04:19 PM | #19 |
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I saw this thread mentioned on ar15.com and popped over to take a look.
If you're with BofA and want to refinance your mortgage, get a refi through Todd Savage at (925) 634-4600. He's a shooter and was offering ar15.com members a $400 credit at a local FFL. Don't know what he would offer Firing Line members, but I'm sure it would be worth it. I'm refinancing my mortgage through him right now, as well as a friend of mine and my parents. Very professional, highly recommended. Besides, wouldn't you rather give your business to a fellow patriot? -Pete |
May 3, 2001, 04:56 PM | #20 |
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I just quite recently used my Bank Of America credit card to order some accessories from one of the oldest and one of the larger firearms manufacturers in the country. There was no hassle.
So, I am a confused about what is going on. |
May 3, 2001, 07:25 PM | #21 | |
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We Won.
It looks like we won. Go to the link at arizonaresponsesystems.com listed previously.
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May 3, 2001, 07:42 PM | #23 |
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Awesome. I may have to buy a Glock, just to have Mark make it usable.
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May 3, 2001, 08:39 PM | #24 |
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Amazing. The power of the Internet.
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May 3, 2001, 08:48 PM | #25 |
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Here is the latest!
Thanks to SmithZ in giving the link, here is the latest:
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com Its been less than a week. A very busy forty hours as tens of thousands of people have received, written and forwarded e-mails and e-mail links to this page and my dispute with BofA. In 40 hours I got calls from several newspapers from Oregon to Florida, several national gun magazines and local and national talk radio shows. 40 hours of irate gun owners and second-amendment supporters canceling their BofA credit cards, checking, and savings accounts; writing angry letters and making phone calls. Just 40 hours as some of the 83 million law-abiding gun owners expressed their outrage at such blatant discrimination. 40 hours to make the Bank of America behemoth jump! I received a call at 10 AM this morning (5-3-01) , from Loraine Stinmel at Bank of America. She informed me that BofA is now drafting a new policy letter to the effect of "We do not as a policy discourage any merchant selling firearms from submitting an application for merchant services with us . . . we will not decline an application based on the gun industry itself." Who was responsible for the definitive statement "Bank of America does not offer merchant services to the gun industry," that Daniel (just following guidance from his superiors) used as a basis for refusing my application? BofA isn't saying. Loraine could only say "If we did this in the past, why? It doesn't make sense. . . We are not quite sure why this policy was distributed." Whether it was an official national change to the Merchant Services Policy, as BofA told me, or an unwritten national corporate policy, or a BofA Arizona regional policy, or the individual prejudice of someone relatively high up in the BofA Arizona hierarchy, we may never know. I do know is that this a great victory for gun owners! 1. Bank of America will not discriminate against the gun industry (either because its wrong, or because it hurts them financially - you decide). 2. Other businesses will take heed of the incredible influence of gun owners as a consumer block. 3. Gun owners got to see how fast their network of like-minded Americans can force change in even a huge corporation like BofA. I have learned an important lessons that may be of value to other activists. Once I sent the first e-mail, it gained a life of its own - and I could not call it back. Passionate gun owners passed the message on to their networks with their own editorial comments. When further spread, the line between my original statements and the comments of people forwarding it became blurred. Some would only cut and paste what they considered the most important parts of my original message. Quickly, hundreds of versions of my message were out there. SINCE WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS - its absolutely imperative that activist notifications be accurate beyond reproach. If the anti-freedom pundits can find one minor technical error, they can capitalize on it and shed doubt on the accuracy of the entire message. While in my specific issue, I have not seen any messages coming back to me with bad information, I quickly realized the potential for problems. Thus this page of my website. I encourage others with activist issues to have a single, constantly-updated source that people can refer to both to verify that its not an internet hoax, and to obtain the most up-to-date information. Insure that a link to that webpage is included in all forwarded e-mails. I consider it a testament to the integrity of the gun culture that I received so many requests for authentication before the people were willing to take action or forward the message. Thank you. Thank you all for such incredible support. A few issues still remain unresolved. At the time of this writing, I have not received a written copy of the new policy statement. I also have not learned who was responsible for the previous policy and if it was an individual, if there will be any disciplinary action. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who is Next? (05-03-01) Who is next? Airborne Express will not ship any firearms or firearms related products. I opened my Airborne Express account when UPS - unable to keep their employees from stealing guns - required all handgun shipments to go by Next Day Air at a 400+% price increase. Several months later, I learned that Airborne Express banned all guns and gun related products. Ironically, I received a query from ABNEX corporate office as to why I stopped shipping with them. When I advised them of their blatant discrimination against one of the most highly regulated industries in the country, I got some cheesy form letter back saying they would "take my comments into consideration." Activism is a full-time job. I lost a week of work pursuing the BofA issue. I just don't have the time right now to go after Airborne Express. The $6000-$8000 I spend each year on out-going freight goes with other companies instead. Maybe Airborne Express needs a reminder of what a huge market share they lost and how simple it would be to regain it?
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