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March 18, 2009, 08:38 PM | #1 |
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Silencer or Sound Supressor
I have a few questions
1. What is the difference between silencers and supperssors? 2. What is the process to own one in PA 3. I heard of a trust established to own one, can someone explain this process? 4. Does anyone have any pics they could share, especially on a SIg? 5. How long is the process and what may be the expenses in PA? 6. Are there any liabilities or issues for owning one especially in a home defense situation? THANKS!! Last edited by jwalker497; March 18, 2009 at 08:53 PM. |
March 18, 2009, 08:40 PM | #2 |
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Not to be intrusive or rude , but why would you want one?
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March 18, 2009, 10:28 PM | #3 |
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The legal term in the NFA 1934 is silencer or muffler. Hiram Maxim used this term as marketing.
The silencer or suppressor or muffler or moderator, whatever you want to call it, reduces or suppresses the muzzle blast and report. The term suppressor, which is a more correct illustration of what a silencer does, has been in use since the 1970's. Some use silencer, some use suppressor, some use both at any given moment. Slang for a suppressor/silencer is can. I use the term suppressor, as I think it's more accurate and doesn't convey the Hollywood evilness the word silencer does. My website lists them as suppressors, but on the ATF forms I list according to the law term, which is silencer. |
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I have a few questions
1. What is the difference between silencers and supperssors? No difference 2. What is the process to own one in PA best way is to contact your local dealer 3. I heard of a trust established to own one, can someone explain this process? One of the requirements is that your local police approve your application for this items, in areas where the police do not approve then either by using a legal trust or a corporation this avoids the police approval requirement. 4. Does anyone have any pics they could share, especially on a SIg? google the Sig forum, plenty of pics on line. 5. How long is the process and what may be the expenses in PA? Around 3 months, cost of a threaded barrel, cost of the silencer, cost of your dealer's fees, and one time $200 tax to register it with the ATF since Sigs are kinda spendy expect a couple thousand for the entire process. 6. Are there any liabilities or issues for owning one especially in a home defense situation? Not if you don't commit crimes with it. There are plenty of Ninnys who say using an NFA weapon in legal defense situation causes one problems with the courts, but they never site any actual instances where this has happend. THANKS!! Here are some PA dealers for you to shop with. Armament Services International Inc. Attn: Vahan Kelerchian Specialties: Class 2, Type 10 & 08 (Non- NFA Importer) 103 Camars Drive Warminster, PA 18974 Phone: (215) 293-0200 FAX: (215) 942-4136 E-mail: [email protected] http://www.autoweapons.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Barnes Specialties: Class 3 1317 Hamilton Street Suite B1 Allentown, PA 18102 Phone: (610) 261-5127 E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: N/A -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Carmichael - Firearm Supply Specialties: Class 2 304 Murrysville Rd. Trafford, PA 15085 Phone: (412) 372-2191 from 6-9 PM EST Evenings. E-mail: [email protected] Homepage: N/A -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Keystone Arms - Joe Manazza Jr. Specialties: Class 3 - Specializing in military gun parts PO Box 599 Millrift, PA 18340 Phone: (570) 491-4867 E-mail: [email protected] http://www.keystonearms.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- F. Charles Logan - Arms and Ordnance Specialties: Class 3 Box 441 Warrendale, PA 15086 Phone: (724) 776-9271 FAX: (724) 776-0355 E-mail: [email protected] http://www.arms-ordnance.net/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS Arms - Paul Sadowski Specialties: Class 3 PO Box 798 Easton, PA 18044-0798 FAX: (801) 881-5460 Homepage: N/A -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Dennis A. Todd Specialties: Type 10 239 Baltimore Pike Springfield, PA 19064 Phone: (610) 543-7300 FAX: (610) 543-7909 E-mail: [email protected] |
March 19, 2009, 07:50 AM | #5 |
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He probably wants a silencer for his gun for the same reason people use mufflers on cars. I think people appear rude anytime they ask why someone wants to own a firearm. Ranb |
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March 19, 2009, 11:55 AM | #8 |
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I don't understand how one could be painted as a "sociopath" if they were to use an NFA item for SD.
Supposed I stopped an intruder with my SBR. How would it be any different if I used an AR15 with 4.5" more barrel to do the same thing? Same with an SBS, why would a little more barrel keep me in the clear?
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Perhaps "sociopath" was not the best word to use.
As I said earlier, I have been legally advised not to use NFA firearms for home defense. In court my SBS would become a "sawed off shotgun." A suppressor would be a great display of "intent" to do harm. Using such a weapon in your home would be providing a figurative weapon to the other side's lawyer. If you are in court for shooting someone that was in your home, attacked you in the street, kicking your dog, drinking your koolaid etc... You will want 12 of your peers to think that shooting said individual was the last thing you wanted to do. If there is a "silencer" on your "sawed off assault rifle" it will be very easy for the prosecution to get the jury to think you were out looking for an excuse to shoot someone. Don't believe me? Call your attorney and ask them what they think.
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"Sawed off assault rifle."
Mines a factory AR15. Just happens to have a little less barrel than most peoples does. Anyways, if they guy is in my house with ill intent, I should run to my safe and grab something a little more "practical" before he kills one of my family members? I can see the suppressor argument, but all NFA items? Oh well, it doesn't matter since I wouldn't use the SBR anyhow. The 870 Express Super Magnum fits the bill for me.
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March 19, 2009, 07:33 PM | #11 |
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So the suppressor might not be a useful SD tool?
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March 19, 2009, 07:39 PM | #12 |
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sure, it "might" be useful
but the law may frown upon it after the fact i'd love to have suppressors on all of my weapons. The ability to shoot without muffs and plugs and not bother people for miles around... there is no downside for me, besides the cost associated with it. |
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Of course, if you're in a state that cares more about it's good citizens than its criminals (i.e. has castle law), as long as the shooting is legit there's no court case to worry about.
And if you don't, I'm not seeing where the hassles of obtaining an NFA Item wouldn't be just as good "Character witness" to your defense. After all, why would a person with malicious intent be willing to essentially sign his privacy over to federal law enforcement (BATFE)? |
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I've got an NFA item and don't recall an agent ever showing up at my house.
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If I remember right on another forum there was a dealer returning to his shop or home with one of his weapons and was attacked and all he had was his NFA weapon to defend himself and he had to pay some pretty hefty legal fees he wouldn't have had to pay if he had his carry gun.
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This is the setup I keep next to my bed at night and actually carried around town (discreetly) during the 3 weeks my city was out of power after Hurricane Gustav:
Find yourself in one of the highest crime areas of your city for three weeks with absolutely no power anywhere and see if you are still worried about lawyers or prosecutors. From a non-defensive perspective, I was lucky to have an open Chinese Buffet within walking distance so food wasn't a problem but if I was starving I could have used my Ceiner .22 kit with the AR-15/Silencer combo and quietly shot all the squirrels I could eat. The legal arguments are as old as the silencers themselves. Bottom line is, I can't think of any better tools to defend my home with and that's all that matters to me. |
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So how did you get a personally owned NFA weapon without prints or pictures?
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March 22, 2009, 01:39 PM | #22 |
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corporation or trust. The corp or trust owns it, you can possess it as a member of the corp or trustee of the trust.
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Then it's not a personally owned weapon.
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