John Walsh: Sewer Rat

Lavan · October 23, 2002, 12:00 PM

Anyone catch the slimeball on Larry King Live last night? In addition to stating that it takes 2000 rounds to change a ballistic fingerprint he also said.

"And I still say it's going to be an individual that's going to crack this case. It's not going to be the police. I wish it would be the police, but it's going to be an individual that's going to finally dawn on them that Uncle Weird Harold that's been collecting guns since World War whatever or that's out there shooting in the backyard everyday and can't talk to people is the guy who did it. "

From the transcript of the show.

Old uncle Weird Harold who collects guns.

Any of you weird enough to collect guns? Or shoot em in the back yard?

dischord · October 23, 2002, 12:20 PM

2000 rounds is nothing -- 20 modest trips to the range.

Betty · October 23, 2002, 12:31 PM

2000 rounds to change the fingerprint? I think he's rattling off what some other talking head told him.

"Uncle Weird Harold" kinda describes my dad actually - he loves to collect old military firearms, shoots in his 103 acre backyard, and is introverted. He's also "weird" because he's so utterly calm and collected (I mean, Nam vets are supposed to go crazy with flashbacks and kill people, right?), no matter how hard to try to push his buttons (unless you say, "I like Jane Fonda.")

Mad Man · October 23, 2002, 01:35 PM

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2000 rounds to change the fingerprint? I think he's rattling off what some other talking head told him.

CSM Eric L. Haney, retired Delta Force, also said that on CNN earlier this week. See this thread for more details:

CALLAWAY: You really believe that this fingerprinting -- all weapons -- registered weapons is a good idea.

HANEY: Oh, I sure do. I lived in Panama for number of years, that was my last posting in the military -- Panamanian laws, weapons ownership is unrestricted, but every weapon sold goes to the police, you and the police, and you bring in five rounds, they fire the rounds, the keep the rounds and the shell casings, and that weapon ever shows up in a crime the have a starting point, and that's what we would have is a starting point.

CALLAWAY: The chances are, Eric, that we would know the history of this weapon at least, if we'd had that right.

HANEY: That much, and you hear some pundit saying, "Oh, you know, the barrels changed and all" -- well, they do if you shoot 2,000 rounds through them. All barrels eventually were out, but most weapons are never shot that many rounds. So, you're going to have a good starting point, and also with the shell casings, there are distinctive marks that are placed on that.

El Rojo · October 23, 2002, 01:52 PM

Sorry, but how many old gun collectors have a .223 in the old collection? I don't.

Bogie · October 23, 2002, 02:40 PM

FWIW, I generally consider a barrel "worn out" if I've got 1,500 or so rounds down it...

priv8ter · October 23, 2002, 02:57 PM

Man, than I guess I wore out the barrel on my H&K a few thousand rounds ago. Strange...I still see some rifleing in the barrel.

BrianM · October 23, 2002, 04:30 PM

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FWIW, I generally consider a barrel "worn out" if I've got 1,500 or so rounds down it...

I figure a gun is worn 'in' after 1,500 rounds.

Bogie · October 23, 2002, 04:46 PM

Tony Boyer says that his are generally, in his opinion, ready for use as tomato stakes, by about 800-900 rounds...

Of course we're talking PEAK accuracy here - where the rifle is capable of grouping under .1" with a proper load and no wind.

Russ · October 23, 2002, 05:03 PM

Walsh should quit hanging around with the Brady Bunch so much. What a toad.

Calamity Jane · October 23, 2002, 05:03 PM

Actually, the guy who collects old guns, shoots in his back yard, keeps to himself, and wants to live his life in peace and quiet is actually one of the least likely candidates to commit the sorts of atrocities we are seeing in VA/MD/D.C.

"Sewer rat" is, I fear, far too kind a descriptor for J.W.

JMax · October 23, 2002, 05:30 PM

He's a snake.

This is just one example from a Fox transcript of a online chat in May of 2000.

mr_monster_2: Do you think that greater gun control would make our country safer?

john_walsh_live: Absolutely.
I own guns. I hunt. I have a police carry permit, meaning I can carry a concealed weapon. I'm an excellent skeet shooter. But I totally believe in gun control.
I believe that no teenagers need automatic weapons, automatic weapons are for cops, SWAT teams, and people in the army.
In Canada and in Japan you can own a gun. The gun laws are very strict.
Last year Japan, a country of about 110 million people, had only 100 homicides by gun. Canada, our northern neighbor, with a lot of different nationalities and a melting pot type culture, had a bout 700 homicides.
In America, where there are more guns than people, an estimated 270 million guns, there were 20,000 homicides.
So you can tell I'm a great believer in gun control. Those kids in Columbine should never ever have been able to get those weapons.

http://www.fox.com/community/chat/tr..._johnwalsh.htm

Move to Japan John Walsh.

JMax

Standing Wolf · October 23, 2002, 05:40 PM

Leftist extremist so-called "gun control" is a sorry excuse for criminal control. That's one of the many reasons I refer to leftists as moral and intellectual parasites.

Betty · October 23, 2002, 05:53 PM

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"I own guns. I hunt. I have a police carry permit, meaning I can carry a concealed weapon. I'm an excellent skeet shooter. But I totally believe in gun control..."

"...as long as it doesn't apply to me. They can take your shotgun, because you might murder someone with it, but not mine, because it's mine. I trust myself with a gun, but not you...."

Y'know, he does alot of good with this show, catching the badguys and all, but with all the years and years of following these cases he's aired on TV, does ever just sit back and think: "She may not have been murdered if she were allowed to have a gun," or "That badguy killed with a gun when the laws in that state said he couldn't get one, so maybe gun control doesn't work?" Maybe some things just don't compute in some brains...

MikeTx · October 23, 2002, 05:57 PM

Walsh is an ignorant fool. On his most wanted show, he called an AR-7 .22 rimfire a hi powered assault rifle. Pee on him.

MatthewVanitas · October 23, 2002, 08:20 PM

I mentioned in a different post that Walsh made a similar comment the Friday morning before Columbus Day: (paraphrased)

"It'll be an individual who cracks this case, not a policeman. Someone will say 'Hey, my neighbor collects guns. And he kills rabbits and skins them in his backyard'".

Apparently, paying someone else to carry guns for your sake, and kill creatures and skin them out of your view, is perfectly normal.

Fred S · October 23, 2002, 09:28 PM

I watched Haney this afternoon giving some analysis of one of the shots. he traced the round goin across a store parking lot to hit the victim who was standing in front of the store. haney said the shot hit the man 64 inches above the ground and happened in the afternoon. Gee, SGM, arn't there cars in a store parking lot in the afternoon? Hois trace went right through a row of parking spaces. Gadz.... And this guy was supposidly in Delta?

Zander · October 23, 2002, 10:31 PM

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Walsh is an ignorant fool.

Worse...he is dangerously stupid.

He is and has been the worst sort of gun-control hack who has made a career on the blood of his son.

Fred Hansen · October 25, 2002, 01:26 PM

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"And I still say it's going to be an individual that's going to crack this case. It's not going to be the police. I wish it would be the police, but it's going to be an individual that's going to finally dawn on them that Uncle Weird Harold that's been collecting guns since World War whatever or that's out there shooting in the backyard everyday and can't talk to people is the guy who did it. "

Turned out to be Uncle Weird Mohammad that didn't collect guns per se, did manage to contact the police often enough himself to crack the case, was described as an overbearing ***hole by everyone that knew him, talked rather often about his admiration for the death-cult nuts of 9/11, talked even more often about his desire to kill cops, and did shoot out in the backyard of his house in Tacoma.

Huh, well he got one right. I reckon that even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

Long Path · October 25, 2002, 01:43 PM

Even a study from the the State of California found that a database of firearm fingerprinting would be ineffective: http://www.nssf.org/PDF/CA_study.pdf

Joe Botz · October 28, 2002, 12:03 AM

what about the shell? plenty of info on a once fired shell...as far as the delta(alledged) moron just because you ar might be an expert in killing doesn't mean your an expert in all subjects pertaing to the science of

cor-man · October 28, 2002, 12:20 AM

can SOMEONE/ANYONE please tell me...

why is John Walsh this way about guns/gunowners/etc. ?

how can someone who has been victimized in such a grotesque way (have his young son murdered/decapitated/etc.) turn into such a gun-owner-hater?!!

I cannot comprehend this. Most people I know who have been victims of crime are all the more fueled that we need the RKBA!
how the hell does this man's mind work that he thinks the opposite?!

He's not a large guy, what if he had been there when his kid was abducted, and what of the abducter was some large strongass guy but did not have a gun but maybe a knife or maybe no weapon,
what the hell could Walsh do if the guy totally stomped his ass?

Isn't it also true that Walsh, now deputized or something? always keeps a gun himself?

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His show has done a lot of good IMO,
how on earth can he be such an IDIOT!! ?
and as someone pointed out, a "dangerous idiot"!

I never knew this (bad) side of Walsh until I leaned about it on the internet. (I also never knew of Rosie's complete hypocrisy until I read it on the net; "noone at all can have guns....except my bodyguard, he can have one, I'm rich and can afford a bodyguard").

Guy B. Meredith · October 28, 2002, 12:48 AM

Well, I have always stated that I have no weapons, though I do have a few firearms. And not being weapons they have all done more than 2000 rounds.

I guess it is lucky that I have no weapons as my revolvers--one having shot around 9000 rounds PMC jacketed rounds and almost all other ammo copper plated--still shoots the majority of bullets into a 2 to 3 inch hole at 15 yards from offhand position in the hands of this mediocre shooter.

Fingerprints? Dunno if the wear has been sufficient.

Fred Hansen · October 28, 2002, 01:42 AM

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what about the shell? plenty of info on a once fired shell...as far as the delta(alledged) moron just because you ar might be an expert in killing doesn't mean your an expert in all subjects pertaing to the science of

Tom B · October 28, 2002, 04:07 AM

The person that is really "weird" is the one that makes money off his dead child.

October 23, 2002, 12:00 PM	#1
Lavan Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 1999 Location: California Posts: 2,716	John Walsh: Sewer Rat Anyone catch the slimeball on Larry King Live last night? In addition to stating that it takes 2000 rounds to change a ballistic fingerprint he also said. "And I still say it's going to be an individual that's going to crack this case. It's not going to be the police. I wish it would be the police, but it's going to be an individual that's going to finally dawn on them that Uncle Weird Harold that's been collecting guns since World War whatever or that's out there shooting in the backyard everyday and can't talk to people is the guy who did it. " From the transcript of the show. Old uncle Weird Harold who collects guns. Any of you weird enough to collect guns? Or shoot em in the back yard?

October 23, 2002, 12:20 PM	#2
dischord Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 945	2000 rounds is nothing -- 20 modest trips to the range. __________________ Another member of the TFL diaspora

October 23, 2002, 01:52 PM	#5
El Rojo Senior Member Join Date: February 4, 2000 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 2,057	Sorry, but how many old gun collectors have a .223 in the old collection? I don't. __________________ Get Some!

October 23, 2002, 02:40 PM	#6
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: Job hunting on the road... Posts: 3,827	FWIW, I generally consider a barrel "worn out" if I've got 1,500 or so rounds down it... __________________ Job hunting, but helping a friend out at www.vikingmachineusa.com - and learning the finer aspects of becoming a precision machinist. And making the world's greatest bottle openers!

October 23, 2002, 02:57 PM	#7
priv8ter Senior Member Join Date: February 27, 2002 Location: Silverdale, Wa Posts: 356	That explains my accuracy Man, than I guess I wore out the barrel on my H&K a few thousand rounds ago. Strange...I still see some rifleing in the barrel. __________________ "Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to make your second shot perfect" "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -Lazerus Long

October 23, 2002, 12:31 PM	#3
Betty Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2000 Location: southern U.S. Posts: 1,807	2000 rounds to change the fingerprint? I think he's rattling off what some other talking head told him. "Uncle Weird Harold" kinda describes my dad actually - he loves to collect old military firearms, shoots in his 103 acre backyard, and is introverted. He's also "weird" because he's so utterly calm and collected (I mean, Nam vets are supposed to go crazy with flashbacks and kill people, right?), no matter how hard to try to push his buttons (unless you say, "I like Jane Fonda.")

October 23, 2002, 04:46 PM	#9
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: Job hunting on the road... Posts: 3,827	Tony Boyer says that his are generally, in his opinion, ready for use as tomato stakes, by about 800-900 rounds... Of course we're talking PEAK accuracy here - where the rifle is capable of grouping under .1" with a proper load and no wind. __________________ Job hunting, but helping a friend out at www.vikingmachineusa.com - and learning the finer aspects of becoming a precision machinist. And making the world's greatest bottle openers!

October 23, 2002, 05:03 PM	#10
Russ Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2001 Location: Kentucky, Refugee from California Posts: 1,097	Walsh should quit hanging around with the Brady Bunch so much. What a toad.

October 23, 2002, 05:03 PM	#11
Calamity Jane Senior Member Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 899	Actually, the guy who collects old guns, shoots in his back yard, keeps to himself, and wants to live his life in peace and quiet is actually one of the least likely candidates to commit the sorts of atrocities we are seeing in VA/MD/D.C. "Sewer rat" is, I fear, far too kind a descriptor for J.W. __________________ CJ “The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.” ~ Ernest Hemingway

October 23, 2002, 05:30 PM	#12
JMax Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2002 Location: New Mexico Posts: 112	He's a snake. This is just one example from a Fox transcript of a online chat in May of 2000. mr_monster_2: Do you think that greater gun control would make our country safer? john_walsh_live: Absolutely. I own guns. I hunt. I have a police carry permit, meaning I can carry a concealed weapon. I'm an excellent skeet shooter. But I totally believe in gun control. I believe that no teenagers need automatic weapons, automatic weapons are for cops, SWAT teams, and people in the army. In Canada and in Japan you can own a gun. The gun laws are very strict. Last year Japan, a country of about 110 million people, had only 100 homicides by gun. Canada, our northern neighbor, with a lot of different nationalities and a melting pot type culture, had a bout 700 homicides. In America, where there are more guns than people, an estimated 270 million guns, there were 20,000 homicides. So you can tell I'm a great believer in gun control. Those kids in Columbine should never ever have been able to get those weapons. http://www.fox.com/community/chat/tr..._johnwalsh.htm Move to Japan John Walsh. JMax

October 23, 2002, 05:40 PM	#13
Standing Wolf Member in memoriam Join Date: April 26, 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,649	Leftist extremist so-called "gun control" is a sorry excuse for criminal control. That's one of the many reasons I refer to leftists as moral and intellectual parasites. __________________ No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.

October 23, 2002, 05:57 PM	#15
MikeTx Junior member Join Date: December 19, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 227	Walsh is an ignorant fool. On his most wanted show, he called an AR-7 .22 rimfire a hi powered assault rifle. Pee on him.

October 23, 2002, 08:20 PM	#16
MatthewVanitas Senior Member Join Date: August 24, 2000 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 258	More Walshquotes I mentioned in a different post that Walsh made a similar comment the Friday morning before Columbus Day: (paraphrased) "It'll be an individual who cracks this case, not a policeman. Someone will say 'Hey, my neighbor collects guns. And he kills rabbits and skins them in his backyard'". Apparently, paying someone else to carry guns for your sake, and kill creatures and skin them out of your view, is perfectly normal. __________________ --Capitalism isn't a program or a system like "socialism," but a description of reality like "the Pythagorean theorem." Deal with it.

October 23, 2002, 09:28 PM	#17
Fred S Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 1999 Location: New Baltimore, MI Posts: 569	I watched Haney this afternoon giving some analysis of one of the shots. he traced the round goin across a store parking lot to hit the victim who was standing in front of the store. haney said the shot hit the man 64 inches above the ground and happened in the afternoon. Gee, SGM, arn't there cars in a store parking lot in the afternoon? Hois trace went right through a row of parking spaces. Gadz.... And this guy was supposidly in Delta? __________________ Fred S GO ARMY

October 25, 2002, 01:43 PM	#20
Long Path Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: N. Texas Posts: 5,899	Even a study from the the State of California found that a database of firearm fingerprinting would be ineffective: http://www.nssf.org/PDF/CA_study.pdf __________________ "Welcome to The Firing Line, a virtual community dedicated to the discussion and advancement of responsible firearms ownership."T.F.L. Policy Page Will you, too, be one who stands in the gap? ____________

October 28, 2002, 12:03 AM	#21
Joe Botz Member Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: Sayville/NY Posts: 46	what about the shell? plenty of info on a once fired shell...as far as the delta(alledged) moron just because you ar might be an expert in killing doesn't mean your an expert in all subjects pertaing to the science of

October 28, 2002, 12:20 AM	#22
cor-man Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 2002 Location: KY Posts: 137	can SOMEONE/ANYONE please tell me... why is John Walsh this way about guns/gunowners/etc. ? how can someone who has been victimized in such a grotesque way (have his young son murdered/decapitated/etc.) turn into such a gun-owner-hater?!! I cannot comprehend this. Most people I know who have been victims of crime are all the more fueled that we need the RKBA! how the hell does this man's mind work that he thinks the opposite?! He's not a large guy, what if he had been there when his kid was abducted, and what of the abducter was some large strongass guy but did not have a gun but maybe a knife or maybe no weapon, what the hell could Walsh do if the guy totally stomped his ass? Isn't it also true that Walsh, now deputized or something? always keeps a gun himself? [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color]?! His show has done a lot of good IMO, how on earth can he be such an IDIOT!! ? and as someone pointed out, a "dangerous idiot"! I never knew this (bad) side of Walsh until I leaned about it on the internet. (I also never knew of Rosie's complete hypocrisy until I read it on the net; "noone at all can have guns....except my bodyguard, he can have one, I'm rich and can afford a bodyguard").

October 28, 2002, 12:48 AM	#23
Guy B. Meredith Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 1999 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 1,581	Well, I have always stated that I have no weapons, though I do have a few firearms. And not being weapons they have all done more than 2000 rounds. I guess it is lucky that I have no weapons as my revolvers--one having shot around 9000 rounds PMC jacketed rounds and almost all other ammo copper plated--still shoots the majority of bullets into a 2 to 3 inch hole at 15 yards from offhand position in the hands of this mediocre shooter. Fingerprints? Dunno if the wear has been sufficient.

October 28, 2002, 04:07 AM	#25
Tom B Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 1999 Location: GA Posts: 1,836	The person that is really "weird" is the one that makes money off his dead child.