Police & shotguns

CMichael · October 4, 2002, 02:14 PM

I was watching some show that showed police raiding a house.

One of the officers has a shotgun as they went into the house. He kept the stock of the gun below his arm pit.

I was shouting at my TV sit. It looked rather silly.

Michael

9mmMike · October 4, 2002, 02:51 PM

Isn't that like one step away from a pistol-only grip?
Maybe his pistol-only SG was in the shop and he was borrowing that one!
It could happen.....
Mike

Al Thompson · October 4, 2002, 03:29 PM

If that got you upset, best to never watch a police qualification either... LOL!

There was another show that had a video of the FBI and some guy in East Tenn. The agent with the shotgun did everything but curls and presses with his 870. No way he could have shot the durn thing. Severe lack of training shown on TV. IIRC, the sniper shot the gun out of the guys hand. I remembered it as I grew up around there.

KSFreeman · October 4, 2002, 07:39 PM

But, Erick, Captain Tactical will tell you [authoritative keyboard commando voice] "slings have no place on shotguns."

CMichael, as a wee brasshopper (when I was short and lanky, instead of long and lanky), I learned this position as the "Taylor underarm position." The idea was to use the weapon a la Circillo's body index shooting at close quarters. Try it at the range. Watch your 180s.

I like the shotgun up in the pocket ready to work, especially when things are tight and hits must be place exactly. Can be used in retention drills as well (I like it for the "drop and thrust"--can put you wieght [or lack thereof

] on the back end).

I did not think it was still taught. Was the po-po older?

bruels · October 6, 2002, 12:24 AM

In my experience, officers who are comfortable with the shotgun and do not hesitate to deploy with it when circumstances dictate, are thought of as weird by the average patrol officer.

I remember when I came back from a shotgun course. I was all jazzed with the benefits of shortening the stock and equipping the shotgun with a sling. I was looked at by management as if I had suddenly sprouted two more heads.

Dave McC · October 6, 2002, 09:12 AM

The fact that I was fond of shooting shotguns struck the brass here as weird also.I was honest, hardworking,and did my job well, and they regarded all that as a threat. Maybe it was.

One refresher course I attended had us learn an underarm ready position similar to what was posted. It was fast, but in a crowd scene had the muzzle cover an area with too many officers legs in it for comfort.

bruels · October 6, 2002, 11:16 AM

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iirc, we were both taught by the same guy. That may explain why the Admin looks at me the same way.

Bill Jeans?

When we did shotgun quals, I took my personally owned Mossberg 500 with Ghostring sights, shortened stock, and sling attached and let the deputies play with it. A few, not all, liked it and made unauthorized modifications to the shotguns in their take home cars.

Bruce

r35 · October 10, 2002, 11:39 PM

The California Highway Patrol teaches this technique as an alternative position, or at least did so when I took a shotgun class from them a couple of years ago.

The advantages are that it isn't as tiring to clear a large building with the shotgun tucked thus, and it was surprisingly (to me) accurate at short ranges. The barrel of the shotgun also isn't as extended quite as far forward as a more convential ready position, and it's extremely difficult to take away a shotgun from someone with the butt tucked under their arm. You can move quickly to a more conventional shoulder position should circumstances dictate.

Anthony

Al Thompson · October 11, 2002, 07:38 AM

Hi Anthony,

Welcome to TFL!

October 4, 2002, 02:14 PM	#1
CMichael Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2001 Location: MI Posts: 1,516	Police & shotguns I was watching some show that showed police raiding a house. One of the officers has a shotgun as they went into the house. He kept the stock of the gun below his arm pit. I was shouting at my TV sit. It looked rather silly. Michael

October 4, 2002, 02:51 PM	#2
9mmMike Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2000 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,049	Isn't that like one step away from a pistol-only grip? Maybe his pistol-only SG was in the shop and he was borrowing that one! It could happen..... Mike __________________ "Freedom is not free" Visit TheRallyPoint.org TheRallyPoint at LRGC- Saturday August 26th IF YOU LIVE IN PA AND DID NOT VOTE, YOU DESERVE TO LOSE YOUR GUNS!

October 4, 2002, 03:29 PM	#3
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	If that got you upset, best to never watch a police qualification either... LOL! There was another show that had a video of the FBI and some guy in East Tenn. The agent with the shotgun did everything but curls and presses with his 870. No way he could have shot the durn thing. Severe lack of training shown on TV. IIRC, the sniper shot the gun out of the guys hand. I remembered it as I grew up around there. __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 4, 2002, 07:39 PM	#4
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	But, Erick, Captain Tactical will tell you [authoritative keyboard commando voice] "slings have no place on shotguns." CMichael, as a wee brasshopper (when I was short and lanky, instead of long and lanky), I learned this position as the "Taylor underarm position." The idea was to use the weapon a la Circillo's body index shooting at close quarters. Try it at the range. Watch your 180s. I like the shotgun up in the pocket ready to work, especially when things are tight and hits must be place exactly. Can be used in retention drills as well (I like it for the "drop and thrust"--can put you wieght [or lack thereof] on the back end). I did not think it was still taught. Was the po-po older? __________________ "Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980).

October 6, 2002, 12:24 AM	#5
bruels Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1998 Location: Hayden, ID, USA Posts: 1,102	In my experience, officers who are comfortable with the shotgun and do not hesitate to deploy with it when circumstances dictate, are thought of as weird by the average patrol officer. I remember when I came back from a shotgun course. I was all jazzed with the benefits of shortening the stock and equipping the shotgun with a sling. I was looked at by management as if I had suddenly sprouted two more heads. __________________ Bruce Stanton CDR, USN/1310-Ret. Sgt., Kings Co. Sheriff - Ret.

October 6, 2002, 09:12 AM	#6
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	The fact that I was fond of shooting shotguns struck the brass here as weird also.I was honest, hardworking,and did my job well, and they regarded all that as a threat. Maybe it was. One refresher course I attended had us learn an underarm ready position similar to what was posted. It was fast, but in a crowd scene had the muzzle cover an area with too many officers legs in it for comfort.

October 10, 2002, 11:39 PM	#8
r35 Junior Member Join Date: September 11, 2002 Location: Northern California Posts: 3	The California Highway Patrol teaches this technique as an alternative position, or at least did so when I took a shotgun class from them a couple of years ago. The advantages are that it isn't as tiring to clear a large building with the shotgun tucked thus, and it was surprisingly (to me) accurate at short ranges. The barrel of the shotgun also isn't as extended quite as far forward as a more convential ready position, and it's extremely difficult to take away a shotgun from someone with the butt tucked under their arm. You can move quickly to a more conventional shoulder position should circumstances dictate. Anthony __________________ _____________________

October 11, 2002, 07:38 AM	#9
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Hi Anthony, Welcome to TFL! __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/