Heckler & Koch or Glock? - Page 4

don't shoot it's me · July 8, 2001, 09:51 AM

I think a duel whould settle any disputes...but which gun? Heck, I've always rooted for the underdog so I hope HK loses....life would be boring if we all jumped on the bandwagon....maybe I'll just vote for my Raven 25...

Hi-Tower · July 9, 2001, 12:04 AM

>> Well if it means anything to you 75% of the leo community disagrees with you and shoots glock

Yeah, it means at least 75% of of leo's are numbskulls who've probably never even heard of HK.

HK is the way!

Shake · July 9, 2001, 12:35 AM

I'm really starting to get sick of the "which gun is better than the other" threads (don't care if they keep getting posted,but I won't be reading them).

I've never seen so much biased, unsubstantiated BS being generated in one thread.

The H&K rusts the minute you take it out of its wrapper. . . or was that the GLOCK??? The GLOCK trigger is the worst trigger system ever invented. . . wait, maybe its the H&K's that was the worst. The GLOCKs bore axis is lower by 2.3X10 23 inches which translates into better shooting. The H&Ks higher bore axis reduces the shooters felt recoil by 10% over the GLOCKs and 1.5% of all GLOCK and H&K shooters can feel the difference. The GLOCK is the only handgun on the face of the earth that can be fired at great whites underwater and is used by divers who hunt sharks. The H&K is used by every elite military force in the universe, but they have to roll them around on cannon wheels because they are so big. 75.32422432% of all police officers in the whole nation use the GLOCK because they all tried the H&K and decided they didn't like them because they are .3223443 inches wider than the GLOCK and that translates into less knockdown power at long ranges. GLOCKS are much better guns because more people buy them. H&K's, hey they are great guns, but you have to mortgage your house and sell a kidney to buy one. GLOCKs don't have manual safeties and are very dangerous, because when you pull the trigger there is a very high likleyhood that they will fire. H&K's firing pins break the second you even think about dry firing ( I encourage people to practice not thinking aobut dry firing before buying H&K's for this reason). If you call H&K's customer service, they will respond within a year and their response will be "bite me". On the other hand, GLOCK will put Gaston on a plane and he will be at your doorstep to personally repair your gun while-u-wait. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. :barf: :barf: . . . .

Get real.

Shake

Shootin' Shane · July 9, 2001, 05:45 PM

I guess that is why the question was simply "which do you LIKE better", and not "which gun is better"....

don't shoot it's me · July 9, 2001, 06:02 PM

Although I never met any of you and have no vested interest in anything any of you say or do, and you in turn have no vested interest in me, you should take the advice of a total stranger who may or may not have the IQ of a sack of hammers and only buy what I like...here is my list of favorites...

Gun......Raven arms .25
ammo...european corrisve primed
Holster...suede with plastic belt clip
Car.......Hugo
Clothing....Walmart
Food.....pork rinds
Movie....Attack of the killer tomatoes
Woman....tie between Rosie O'Donnell and "Hanoi" Jane Fonda

I have spoken.....this should end any more controversy....

Dr.Rob · July 9, 2001, 06:49 PM

I almost bought a G17 years ago.. the only glock I really like, but the lack of an external safety still bugs me.

I'd still LOVE to have an HK P9S in 45. Sure its big. Who cares its a sweet looking/feeling pistol.

In the defense of the HK USP Ive seen less jams with it in a year of IDPA than the glocks, but they are both pretty good guns. I think the USP is a big fuugly thing but it works.

Slight edge to the HK. But just slight.

Shake · July 9, 2001, 09:06 PM

Shootin' Shane,

You are correct, that was the question, but a quick scan of most of the posts shows that is not the question people are answering. Rather each person is attempting to explain to the "unbelievers" why their favorite is the best.

Shake

Dusan · July 9, 2001, 09:34 PM

Glock!

Shootin' Shane · July 9, 2001, 11:03 PM

That's all I meant. The original poster is interested in which gun people prefer simply out of curiosity and like you said, it always has to turn into "my brand X is better than your brand Z." They're both excellent guns. Having owned both, I prefer the HK.

Shake · July 10, 2001, 02:08 PM

SS,

Exactly.

I prefer the H&K as well, but I don't think I could ever make the claim that it is "better" than the GLOCK. For me it is, for someone else it may very well be the GLOCK. What gets me is that they think if you don't agree, you are not enlightened.

Shake

Uncle Jack · July 28, 2001, 07:51 AM

Own both. Glad that I am not forced to choose. If I did it would be Glock.

Glockem · July 28, 2001, 07:52 AM

Between your faith "HK" and a "Glock", I'll choose any of my 8 Glocks...

JMH · July 28, 2001, 10:02 AM

Anyone ever detail-stripped an HK USP next to a Glock? The USP is one complex piece of machinery. Glock gets the same job done with fewer parts, and fewer parts means more reliability.

However, they're both fine guns, and I wouldn't feel under-armed with either. The USP is certainly more comfortable. And if you own an HK you can put up one of those cool posters of the SAS at the Iranian Embassy.

Ed2 · July 28, 2001, 12:15 PM

What's wrong with pork rinds. They make my stomach want to leap from my body and dance for joy.

Nothing beats a P7 while youre shooting it (best trigger on the planet), but it's not a good carry gun - very heavy, lots of sharp edges, and, with me, the mag used to pop out now and then because of those long mag release levers. I liked my USP but it was big and clunky and the trigger was terrible. For an all around gun I'd choose the glock. That long slide 40 looks awful nice.

IronBalls · July 28, 2001, 04:14 PM

Glock, in a big way honey.

7th Fleet · July 29, 2001, 08:51 PM

No doubt about it GLOCK...7th

muzzletalk · August 5, 2001, 07:23 AM

My vote is H&K. People say that it is overpriced. I have always believed that you get what you pay for.

New_comer · August 5, 2001, 10:51 AM

Hi, everyone!

My vote would be for HK.

At the just concluded gun show here in manila, the HK usp compact was the overwhelming choice of buyers, with an order list lengthening from only a month's wait at the start of the show to a 6 month waiting period this afternoon. Although there were many curious lookers at the Glock stall, I believe most buyers shied away from them due to many sad stories of accidental discharge and so on and so forth... i guess "no safety, no good" is the motto for us here civilian gunowners. Maybe for military purposes, it would be a different matter (though local police carry Berettas).

Anyways, i know both guns are great, and as long as one's satisfied with his gun, it really doesn't matter.

Thanks 2 all and MABUHAY!!

glockjock · September 1, 2001, 12:06 PM

Both are fine handguns...I prefer Glock primarily because I shoot it more accurately, and I like the feel of the Glock in my hand...just a personal preference, I suppose.

gj

don't shoot it's me · September 1, 2001, 01:04 PM

Ed....I carry a P7 everyday.....not too heavy for me, mag has never popped out on me and I haven't noticed any sharp edges in my pnats....and a good holster like the delfatti isp-3 takes care of all your complaints...so get one and go back to carrying a fine shootin iron....

Handy · August 26, 2004, 12:52 AM

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joab · August 26, 2004, 02:31 AM

Fvaidya
You wouldn't also happen to have an almost unnatural affection for .223s and slingshots would you?

croyance · August 26, 2004, 03:07 AM

Why not just go for the obvious?
He has massive insecurites about himself. Both in sexual preferences and as a man. Life experience may help this, hopefully. Can this generation learn how to spell or use whole words?
He doesn't even have enough life experience to understand when his own loud bravado outlines this. He'll initially try to cover this up with some assertion about "attitude" and "keeping it real" and calling us names for not having "seen the elephant." Pity the product of pop culture.
Seeing that he is called on this, he will just scream something incomprehensible. Well, something moreso.

My apologies if Fvaidya is actually a woman.

To nit pick, please stop trying to convince people that you have killed. The act just doesn't work. It only makes you look more insecure.

Moderators, if you think that this post is just teasing the troll, please delete this. BTW, are none of you night owls?

View Poll Results: what do u prefer?
Glock	298	48.85%
HK	312	51.15%
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July 9, 2001, 12:35 AM	#78
Shake Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 1999 Location: Utah Posts: 1,004	I'm really starting to get sick of the "which gun is better than the other" threads (don't care if they keep getting posted,but I won't be reading them). I've never seen so much biased, unsubstantiated BS being generated in one thread. The H&K rusts the minute you take it out of its wrapper. . . or was that the GLOCK??? The GLOCK trigger is the worst trigger system ever invented. . . wait, maybe its the H&K's that was the worst. The GLOCKs bore axis is lower by 2.3X10 23 inches which translates into better shooting. The H&Ks higher bore axis reduces the shooters felt recoil by 10% over the GLOCKs and 1.5% of all GLOCK and H&K shooters can feel the difference. The GLOCK is the only handgun on the face of the earth that can be fired at great whites underwater and is used by divers who hunt sharks. The H&K is used by every elite military force in the universe, but they have to roll them around on cannon wheels because they are so big. 75.32422432% of all police officers in the whole nation use the GLOCK because they all tried the H&K and decided they didn't like them because they are .3223443 inches wider than the GLOCK and that translates into less knockdown power at long ranges. GLOCKS are much better guns because more people buy them. H&K's, hey they are great guns, but you have to mortgage your house and sell a kidney to buy one. GLOCKs don't have manual safeties and are very dangerous, because when you pull the trigger there is a very high likleyhood that they will fire. H&K's firing pins break the second you even think about dry firing ( I encourage people to practice not thinking aobut dry firing before buying H&K's for this reason). If you call H&K's customer service, they will respond within a year and their response will be "bite me". On the other hand, GLOCK will put Gaston on a plane and he will be at your doorstep to personally repair your gun while-u-wait. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. :barf: :barf: . . . . Get real. Shake __________________ “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.” -George Patton

July 9, 2001, 06:49 PM	#81
Dr.Rob Staff Alumnus Join Date: July 28, 1999 Location: Denver Posts: 2,454	I almost bought a G17 years ago.. the only glock I really like, but the lack of an external safety still bugs me. I'd still LOVE to have an HK P9S in 45. Sure its big. Who cares its a sweet looking/feeling pistol. In the defense of the HK USP Ive seen less jams with it in a year of IDPA than the glocks, but they are both pretty good guns. I think the USP is a big fuugly thing but it works. Slight edge to the HK. But just slight. __________________ You broke into the wrong Rec Room!

July 9, 2001, 09:06 PM	#82
Shake Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 1999 Location: Utah Posts: 1,004	Shootin' Shane, You are correct, that was the question, but a quick scan of most of the posts shows that is not the question people are answering. Rather each person is attempting to explain to the "unbelievers" why their favorite is the best. Shake __________________ “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.” -George Patton

July 10, 2001, 02:08 PM	#85
Shake Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 1999 Location: Utah Posts: 1,004	SS, Exactly. I prefer the H&K as well, but I don't think I could ever make the claim that it is "better" than the GLOCK. For me it is, for someone else it may very well be the GLOCK. What gets me is that they think if you don't agree, you are not enlightened. Shake __________________ “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.” -George Patton

July 8, 2001, 09:51 AM	#76
don't shoot it's me Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: NY first/LA second Posts: 1,537	I think a duel whould settle any disputes...but which gun? Heck, I've always rooted for the underdog so I hope HK loses....life would be boring if we all jumped on the bandwagon....maybe I'll just vote for my Raven 25...

July 9, 2001, 12:04 AM	#77
Hi-Tower Junior Member Join Date: May 7, 2001 Posts: 6	>> Well if it means anything to you 75% of the leo community disagrees with you and shoots glock Yeah, it means at least 75% of of leo's are numbskulls who've probably never even heard of HK. HK is the way!

July 9, 2001, 05:45 PM	#79
Shootin' Shane Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2000 Location: West TN Posts: 122	I guess that is why the question was simply "which do you LIKE better", and not "which gun is better"....

July 9, 2001, 06:02 PM	#80
don't shoot it's me Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: NY first/LA second Posts: 1,537	Although I never met any of you and have no vested interest in anything any of you say or do, and you in turn have no vested interest in me, you should take the advice of a total stranger who may or may not have the IQ of a sack of hammers and only buy what I like...here is my list of favorites... Gun......Raven arms .25 ammo...european corrisve primed Holster...suede with plastic belt clip Car.......Hugo Clothing....Walmart Food.....pork rinds Movie....Attack of the killer tomatoes Woman....tie between Rosie O'Donnell and "Hanoi" Jane Fonda I have spoken.....this should end any more controversy....

July 9, 2001, 09:34 PM	#83
Dusan Junior Member Join Date: July 4, 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 1	Glock!

July 9, 2001, 11:03 PM	#84
Shootin' Shane Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2000 Location: West TN Posts: 122	That's all I meant. The original poster is interested in which gun people prefer simply out of curiosity and like you said, it always has to turn into "my brand X is better than your brand Z." They're both excellent guns. Having owned both, I prefer the HK.

July 28, 2001, 07:51 AM	#86
Uncle Jack Member Join Date: January 25, 2000 Posts: 38	Own both. Glad that I am not forced to choose. If I did it would be Glock.

July 28, 2001, 07:52 AM	#87
Glockem Junior Member Join Date: July 28, 2001 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 3	Between your faith "HK" and a "Glock", I'll choose any of my 8 Glocks...

July 28, 2001, 10:02 AM	#88
JMH Junior Member Join Date: January 15, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 3	Anyone ever detail-stripped an HK USP next to a Glock? The USP is one complex piece of machinery. Glock gets the same job done with fewer parts, and fewer parts means more reliability. However, they're both fine guns, and I wouldn't feel under-armed with either. The USP is certainly more comfortable. And if you own an HK you can put up one of those cool posters of the SAS at the Iranian Embassy.

July 28, 2001, 12:15 PM	#89
Ed2 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2001 Posts: 119	Hey dont_shoot_it's_me... What's wrong with pork rinds. They make my stomach want to leap from my body and dance for joy. Nothing beats a P7 while youre shooting it (best trigger on the planet), but it's not a good carry gun - very heavy, lots of sharp edges, and, with me, the mag used to pop out now and then because of those long mag release levers. I liked my USP but it was big and clunky and the trigger was terrible. For an all around gun I'd choose the glock. That long slide 40 looks awful nice.

July 28, 2001, 04:14 PM	#90
IronBalls Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: Henderson NV Posts: 312	Glock, in a big way honey. __________________ J-frame cross draw IWB, Glock leg drop down, 870P over the shoulder, AR in the arms, empty wallet front left pocket, expired buss pass. Bliss.

July 29, 2001, 08:51 PM	#91
7th Fleet Senior Member Join Date: January 28, 2000 Posts: 1,469	No doubt about it GLOCK...7th __________________ SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE, KEEP THEM INDEPENDENT.

August 5, 2001, 07:23 AM	#92
muzzletalk Member Join Date: January 3, 2001 Posts: 85	My vote is H&K. People say that it is overpriced. I have always believed that you get what you pay for. __________________ DVCE dilegentia,vis,celeritas,eruditio accuracy,power,speed,knowledge

August 5, 2001, 10:51 AM	#93
New_comer Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2001 Location: Manila, Phil. Posts: 1,004	Hi, everyone! My vote would be for HK. At the just concluded gun show here in manila, the HK usp compact was the overwhelming choice of buyers, with an order list lengthening from only a month's wait at the start of the show to a 6 month waiting period this afternoon. Although there were many curious lookers at the Glock stall, I believe most buyers shied away from them due to many sad stories of accidental discharge and so on and so forth... i guess "no safety, no good" is the motto for us here civilian gunowners. Maybe for military purposes, it would be a different matter (though local police carry Berettas). Anyways, i know both guns are great, and as long as one's satisfied with his gun, it really doesn't matter. Thanks 2 all and MABUHAY!!

September 1, 2001, 12:06 PM	#94
glockjock Member Join Date: September 1, 2001 Location: Idaho Posts: 24	Both are fine handguns...I prefer Glock primarily because I shoot it more accurately, and I like the feel of the Glock in my hand...just a personal preference, I suppose. gj

September 1, 2001, 01:04 PM	#95
don't shoot it's me Senior Member Join Date: March 29, 2001 Location: NY first/LA second Posts: 1,537	Ed....I carry a P7 everyday.....not too heavy for me, mag has never popped out on me and I haven't noticed any sharp edges in my pnats....and a good holster like the delfatti isp-3 takes care of all your complaints...so get one and go back to carrying a fine shootin iron....

August 26, 2004, 12:52 AM	#96
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August 26, 2004, 02:31 AM	#99
joab Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Orl Fla Posts: 3,254	Fvaidya You wouldn't also happen to have an almost unnatural affection for .223s and slingshots would you? __________________ Joab the Bugman Founding member- Lords of Pomposity It's a Yankee Doodle thing

August 26, 2004, 03:07 AM	#100
croyance Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2001 Posts: 3,604	Why not just go for the obvious? He has massive insecurites about himself. Both in sexual preferences and as a man. Life experience may help this, hopefully. Can this generation learn how to spell or use whole words? He doesn't even have enough life experience to understand when his own loud bravado outlines this. He'll initially try to cover this up with some assertion about "attitude" and "keeping it real" and calling us names for not having "seen the elephant." Pity the product of pop culture. Seeing that he is called on this, he will just scream something incomprehensible. Well, something moreso. My apologies if Fvaidya is actually a woman. To nit pick, please stop trying to convince people that you have killed. The act just doesn't work. It only makes you look more insecure. Moderators, if you think that this post is just teasing the troll, please delete this. BTW, are none of you night owls?