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Old February 11, 2005, 12:28 PM   #1
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Russian shotgun, can you read the inscription or know the model?

Hi there,

I was just presented with a russian shotgun (my first one, I was "only" a pistolero before). I have no clue what model this is and whether firing it is safe etc. Neither has my father in law, who bought the gun in russia some 25 years ago.

So please, can you read this or give me any info on the safety and use (trap, skeet, hunting?) of that gun, and especially whether I can load all magnum and extra strong defense stuff in there without having fragments of the barrel in my brain after shooting it:









Thanks a lot and stay safe!
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Old February 11, 2005, 12:47 PM   #2
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From what I can see, it looks like a 12 ga 2 3/4" chambered over/under trap gun. As to maker, I didn't see any obvious name, but then, I'm a noob and my Russian sucks. Safety wise, I'd take it to a gunsmith and have him go over it before I fired it. Regardless, no 3" shells.

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Old February 11, 2005, 01:04 PM   #3
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I'm fairly certain that it is pre-fall a Baikal Model 27. I'd suggest that you have a gunsmith check it out but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be shootable. It appears to be in very good condition, and the fit and finish looks much better than what is seen on current Spartan labeled guns from Remington.
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Old February 11, 2005, 01:05 PM   #4
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12 x 70: 70mm or 2.75"
So it's a standard 12 gauge.
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Old February 12, 2005, 09:34 AM   #5
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The sling and double triggers usually mean a gun used for hunting in Europe. Russian hunters would often put bird shot in one barrel and a slug or buck in the other. The double triggers allow for quick choice of barrels. Bird or Deer.
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Old February 12, 2005, 05:03 PM   #6
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russian shotgun

I suppose, not sure, only suppose that

TO 3 = TOZ is the factory, famous also for olimpic gun one shot 50 mt.

ATM 750 (phisic)atmosphere is the unit of measure of pressure in metric
system, as PSI. 750 is very low proof, pay attention at shotshells, loads no
more than 1 ounce, maximum 1 ounce and 1/6.
today in europe shotguns are proved at 1300, 1500 ATM

ciao, franco
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Old February 12, 2005, 06:54 PM   #7
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Transliteration of the inscriptions

VDS 40K
NDS P/40K

The three circled inscriptions are (from top to bottom) u, k, and p.

I can't read the inscription on the top with the numbers by it, but the other says BUM, I think. I don't read cyrillic very well. The letters and numbers given at the top are literal (phonic) transliterations from the cyrillic in the second picture.
Somebody else will have to translate what these mean in gun terms, I know nothing about Russian guns.

*Edit* Corrected first transliteration.
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Old February 19, 2005, 09:52 AM   #8
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I'll have it tested

Thanks everybody. I'll have the gun testet for it's CIP-Compliance at the Proofhouse. Let's hope they don't test it to pieces.
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12/70, the old russian lady survived the proof-house test

Hi there, thanks again for your help. Just to let you know: The gun came back from the proofhouse today in one piece. Now I know it's a real 12/70 shotgun.

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ATM 750 (phisic)atmosphere is the unit of measure of pressure in metric
system, as PSI. 750 is very low proof
That's 11,025 to 11,039.7 PSI, depending on if that rating is at sea level or in perfect vacuum.
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Old March 28, 2005, 04:34 PM   #11
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She fired!

I wen't to a trap-range yesterday (and today again , I admit). First time ever. First time long-gun shooting since the Army, and that was an StG58 and 14 years ago.
Man, that was great. It will be avery good supplement to my handgun training. I hit 6 out of 10 in Skeet and 8 out of 25 in trap.

and my shoulder is sour, cheeses!
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