Jim Zumbo screws up

kentucky_smith · February 18, 2007, 12:01 AM

Subscription cancelled. Nasty letter written and cc'd to NRA and GOA.

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Jim Zumbo just alienates half his readership

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2...t_rifles_.html

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Assault Rifles For Hunters?

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

gdvan01 · February 18, 2007, 12:05 AM

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I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles.

What a ma-roon...

**JohnKSa** · February 18, 2007, 12:22 AM

He seems to have gotten a response or two...

Hardtarget · February 18, 2007, 12:26 AM

When the technology was first available, didn't many governments view guns with rifled barrels as terrorist weapons? There just were no Gun Magazines to write about it back then. I see what he's talking about...but...things change. Another hundred years things will have changed several times again.
I like my hunting guns to have that traditional look. I like the AR and AK rifles too. Thing is, all my guns are sporting guns. I've never been in any combat so when I shoot, its some kind of sport.
Mark.

Maser · February 18, 2007, 12:49 AM

You should see what the members of ar15.com are saying. I already posted in Zumbo's blog. Can't believe a gun collector and pro-hunter would have the nerve to say what he did.

DonR101395 · February 18, 2007, 12:55 AM

He's gotten a few comment from members here as well

robc · February 18, 2007, 01:27 AM

I shot an e-mail off to Outdoor Life right away, but I can't find a way to e-mail Remington. There should be a customer relations/public relations address. Where is it? Anyway, anyone who feels strongly about this should contact Remington (corporate # is 336-548-8700). I'm done with them until they're done with him.

ferg · February 18, 2007, 02:06 AM

Yeah, I emailed all the available contacts on the Outdoor Life page, too. Maybe they'll get the idea

Rembrandt · February 18, 2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Zumbo

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them....

Mr Zumbo seems to be the guilty party lumping hunters as terrorists....these comments will haunt and mark him as the Jane Fonda of Gun writers.

Unfortunately there are many more just like him, a few years ago someone from the NRA spoke to the Outdoor Writers convention and was chastised by their group.

blume357 · February 18, 2007, 05:18 AM

rights with hunting. the two have nothing in common. There is nothing in our bill of rights that says you have a right to hunt.

Frenchy · February 18, 2007, 06:32 AM

Just another "Fudd" attack...When are these clowns gonna getta clue.

**Bud Helms** · February 18, 2007, 07:30 AM

Most hunters are not shooters and know next to nothing about their firearms beyond the caption in the sales brochure and what the guy behind the counter told them. Oh, yeah, don't forget what they read in Guns and Ammo mag last year. Then, get a hunter into a conversation about the 2nd, but be prepared. Ignorance abounds.

Derby FALs · February 18, 2007, 08:38 AM

Slugthrower · February 18, 2007, 10:06 AM

IS THAT A SNIPER RIFLE IN HIS HANDS?!?!?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Runnnnnnn!!!

aerod1 · February 18, 2007, 10:25 AM

Jim Zumbo does not speak for me. I sent an email to Outdoor Life and am going to send one to Remington. I told them I am boycotting them for their anti 2A views as expressed by Jim Zumbo.
I am a hunter but I believe hunters are a BIG thorn in the side of the Second Amendment. A lot of hunters feel as long as they have their shotgun for bird hunting and a deer rifle for hunting larger game, there is no need for anything else such as handguns and semi auto defense rifles. This is NONSENSE!!
Please write ODL and Remington to voice your concerns.

Jim

2400 · February 18, 2007, 11:17 AM

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Please write ODL and Remington to voice your concerns.

I sent Outdoor Life and Remington emails this morning and wrote letters to both that will go out tomorrow.

This is all I could find for contact info for Remington. If anyone has better contact info, please post it.

http://remington.custhelp.com/cgi-bi...5sJnBfcGFnZT0x

DesertShooter · February 18, 2007, 11:18 AM

Dumbo Zumbo has the "right" to say whatever he wants! What bothers me, however, is that this is a clear-cut example of how the anti-gun groups have been able to "demonize" the so-called "assault-type" firearms. In doing so, they have "divided and conquered" within the gun owning "community".

You can bet your bottom dollar that hunters like Zumbo will cry "Foul!" if or WHEN their center-fire, bolt-action, 'scoped hunting rifles are classified as being "sniper rifles"!

Add to that, there doesn't seem to be ANY firearm experts within the ranks of our elected government representatives/lawmakers. I've often heard the so-called "assault rifles" being called "military styled"....and CORRECTLY so! BUT, without any dispute, ALL firearms have their "roots" within the military....therefore, ALL firearms (yep, even .22 bolt-action rifles and flintlocks) are "military styled"!

The gun-owning "community" needs to wake up and realize the deceptions that have been so successful by the anti-gun groups! It will be yet another thing to "educate" our elected representatives in government! Of course, those lawmakers would LOVE to tax guns and ammo out of existence....and they just may do so before too long! Several tries to impose excessive taxes on ammo have already been brought up (5-cents, 10-cents per ROUND, and a 10,000% federal tax increase on ammo!). Kind of expensive to merely go out "plinking" when a box of 50 rounds of .22LR ammo might set you back $10+!

Silvanus · February 18, 2007, 11:44 AM

What an idiot!

Just as stupid as the chief editor of a German hunting magazine ("Wild und Hund") who apologized for an advertisement of "5.11 tactical series" clothes! He apparently got some letters and e-mails from "traditional hunters" who think that "paramilitary" equipment should not be advertised in that magazine

hpg · February 18, 2007, 12:02 PM

Dumbo Zumbo just lost another reader......me..............won't renew subscription to magazine either...what a stupid comment he made.............hpg

50 shooter · February 18, 2007, 12:17 PM

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robc · February 18, 2007, 01:21 PM

+1 to 50 shooter for doing that legwork. I poked around on Remington for awhile and couldn't find a place to e-mail.

50 shooter · February 18, 2007, 01:42 PM

Don't forget to contact the NRA as he writes for Shooting Illustrated.

Trapper L · February 18, 2007, 01:57 PM

Millner, CEO with Remington, is already aware of the internet awareness of the Zumbo remarks. Look in the very near future a divorce between Remington and Zumbo. Millner is an AR collector and shooter and is not a happy camper with the remarks. I think Mr Zumbo had better check out his Social Security requirements- his career is over.
FWIW, Outdoor Life and Time Warner both had the opportunity to review the remarks BEFORE publication. Remington did not. So if you are unhappy and don't support the views of Mr Zumbo, I would suggest not doing business with Outdoor Life and Time Warner.

AK103K · February 18, 2007, 02:02 PM

You know, while Mr Zumbo stated his feelings, he's not the only one in the gun community to feel this way. I've run into it constantly over the years, at ranges, gun shops, and other places. (I'm a "squirt gunner")

The problem we have is, we are a diverse sport,(I'm using "sport" just to keep it simple) and there is definitely a caste system of sorts. Where we should ALL stand up for any of the other followings of the sport, many dont, and frown on what they deem a threat to the whole, or at least "their" part of the sport. The NRA falls in here too. They obviously pick their battles and cut some of us away if they dont like the odds.

We ALL need to help each other, regardless if our favorite sport is sporting clays or bump firing AK's.

The NRA should also learn the term "NO COMPROMISE", and MEAN it. If they did and proved it, I just might sign back up after 20 years.

s32 · February 18, 2007, 02:33 PM

February 18, 2007, 12:22 AM	#3
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,986	He seems to have gotten a response or two... __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

February 18, 2007, 12:26 AM	#4
Hardtarget Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2001 Location: Nashville, Tn. Posts: 683	When the technology was first available, didn't many governments view guns with rifled barrels as terrorist weapons? There just were no Gun Magazines to write about it back then. I see what he's talking about...but...things change. Another hundred years things will have changed several times again. I like my hunting guns to have that traditional look. I like the AR and AK rifles too. Thing is, all my guns are sporting guns. I've never been in any combat so when I shoot, its some kind of sport. Mark. __________________ ...even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while.

February 18, 2007, 01:27 AM	#7
robc Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 422	I shot an e-mail off to Outdoor Life right away, but I can't find a way to e-mail Remington. There should be a customer relations/public relations address. Where is it? Anyway, anyone who feels strongly about this should contact Remington (corporate # is 336-548-8700). I'm done with them until they're done with him. __________________ "If it bleeds, we can kill it."

February 18, 2007, 02:06 AM	#8
ferg Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 135	Yeah, I emailed all the available contacts on the Outdoor Life page, too. Maybe they'll get the idea __________________ Some idiots are too busy knowing it all to ever learn anything

February 18, 2007, 05:18 AM	#10
blume357 Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 3,943	the problem has always been lumping various gun rights with hunting. the two have nothing in common. There is nothing in our bill of rights that says you have a right to hunt.

February 18, 2007, 12:49 AM	#5
Maser Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2006 Location: Mysterious Cities of Gold Posts: 920	You should see what the members of ar15.com are saying. I already posted in Zumbo's blog. Can't believe a gun collector and pro-hunter would have the nerve to say what he did.

February 18, 2007, 12:55 AM	#6
DonR101395 Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: NWFL Posts: 3,031	He's gotten a few comment from members here as well

February 18, 2007, 06:32 AM	#11
Frenchy Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Location: Mid-Missouri Posts: 719	Just another "Fudd" attack...When are these clowns gonna getta clue. __________________ ...Steve Charter member/Plank owner of XD Talk. Com

February 18, 2007, 07:30 AM	#12
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	Most hunters are not shooters and know next to nothing about their firearms beyond the caption in the sales brochure and what the guy behind the counter told them. Oh, yeah, don't forget what they read in Guns and Ammo mag last year. Then, get a hunter into a conversation about the 2nd, but be prepared. Ignorance abounds.

February 18, 2007, 08:38 AM	#13
Derby FALs Member Join Date: October 21, 2002 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 22	__________________ "Among other causes of misfortune which your not being armed brings upon you, it makes you despised...." ___ Niccolo Machiavelli

February 18, 2007, 10:06 AM	#14
Slugthrower Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2006 Posts: 823	IS THAT A SNIPER RIFLE IN HIS HANDS?!?!?!?!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Runnnnnnn!!! __________________ History is a freak show and a dark comedy. Mankind is a spectacle all to itself. Play your role, let the jesters play theirs. In the end...who has the last laugh?

February 18, 2007, 10:25 AM	#15
aerod1 Senior Member Join Date: April 12, 2000 Location: Garland Texas U.S.A. Posts: 734	Jim Zumbo does not speak for me. I sent an email to Outdoor Life and am going to send one to Remington. I told them I am boycotting them for their anti 2A views as expressed by Jim Zumbo. I am a hunter but I believe hunters are a BIG thorn in the side of the Second Amendment. A lot of hunters feel as long as they have their shotgun for bird hunting and a deer rifle for hunting larger game, there is no need for anything else such as handguns and semi auto defense rifles. This is NONSENSE!! Please write ODL and Remington to voice your concerns. Jim __________________ NRA Life Member, TSRA Life Member, C&R 03 FFL, Texas LTC Recreational Reloader U.S. Navy Veteran (USS Midway V-1 Division)

February 18, 2007, 11:18 AM	#17
DesertShooter Member Join Date: September 19, 2006 Posts: 67	Dumbo Zumbo has the "right" to say whatever he wants! What bothers me, however, is that this is a clear-cut example of how the anti-gun groups have been able to "demonize" the so-called "assault-type" firearms. In doing so, they have "divided and conquered" within the gun owning "community". You can bet your bottom dollar that hunters like Zumbo will cry "Foul!" if or WHEN their center-fire, bolt-action, 'scoped hunting rifles are classified as being "sniper rifles"! Add to that, there doesn't seem to be ANY firearm experts within the ranks of our elected government representatives/lawmakers. I've often heard the so-called "assault rifles" being called "military styled"....and CORRECTLY so! BUT, without any dispute, ALL firearms have their "roots" within the military....therefore, ALL firearms (yep, even .22 bolt-action rifles and flintlocks) are "military styled"! The gun-owning "community" needs to wake up and realize the deceptions that have been so successful by the anti-gun groups! It will be yet another thing to "educate" our elected representatives in government! Of course, those lawmakers would LOVE to tax guns and ammo out of existence....and they just may do so before too long! Several tries to impose excessive taxes on ammo have already been brought up (5-cents, 10-cents per ROUND, and a 10,000% federal tax increase on ammo!). Kind of expensive to merely go out "plinking" when a box of 50 rounds of .22LR ammo might set you back $10+!

February 18, 2007, 11:44 AM	#18
Silvanus Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2005 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 1,324	What an idiot! Just as stupid as the chief editor of a German hunting magazine ("Wild und Hund") who apologized for an advertisement of "5.11 tactical series" clothes! He apparently got some letters and e-mails from "traditional hunters" who think that "paramilitary" equipment should not be advertised in that magazine

February 18, 2007, 12:02 PM	#19
hpg Senior Member Join Date: September 14, 2002 Location: in the Bluegrass State Posts: 1,610	Dumbo Zumbo just lost another reader......me..............won't renew subscription to magazine either...what a stupid comment he made.............hpg __________________ NRA member Semper Paratus

February 18, 2007, 12:17 PM	#20
50 shooter Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: SoCal PRK Posts: 986	Feel free to contact his sponsors. [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] __________________ I see the world thru bloodshot eyes Streets filled with blood from distant lies The dogs of war never compromise, No time for rearranging.

February 18, 2007, 01:21 PM	#21
robc Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 422	+1 to 50 shooter for doing that legwork. I poked around on Remington for awhile and couldn't find a place to e-mail. __________________ "If it bleeds, we can kill it."

February 18, 2007, 01:42 PM	#22
50 shooter Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: SoCal PRK Posts: 986	Don't forget to contact the NRA as he writes for Shooting Illustrated. __________________ I see the world thru bloodshot eyes Streets filled with blood from distant lies The dogs of war never compromise, No time for rearranging.

February 18, 2007, 01:57 PM	#23
Trapper L Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 804	Millner, CEO with Remington, is already aware of the internet awareness of the Zumbo remarks. Look in the very near future a divorce between Remington and Zumbo. Millner is an AR collector and shooter and is not a happy camper with the remarks. I think Mr Zumbo had better check out his Social Security requirements- his career is over. FWIW, Outdoor Life and Time Warner both had the opportunity to review the remarks BEFORE publication. Remington did not. So if you are unhappy and don't support the views of Mr Zumbo, I would suggest not doing business with Outdoor Life and Time Warner.

February 18, 2007, 02:02 PM	#24
AK103K Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2001 Posts: 10,223	You know, while Mr Zumbo stated his feelings, he's not the only one in the gun community to feel this way. I've run into it constantly over the years, at ranges, gun shops, and other places. (I'm a "squirt gunner") The problem we have is, we are a diverse sport,(I'm using "sport" just to keep it simple) and there is definitely a caste system of sorts. Where we should ALL stand up for any of the other followings of the sport, many dont, and frown on what they deem a threat to the whole, or at least "their" part of the sport. The NRA falls in here too. They obviously pick their battles and cut some of us away if they dont like the odds. We ALL need to help each other, regardless if our favorite sport is sporting clays or bump firing AK's. The NRA should also learn the term "NO COMPROMISE", and MEAN it. If they did and proved it, I just might sign back up after 20 years.

February 18, 2007, 02:33 PM	#25
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