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March 3, 2008, 03:48 PM | #1 | |
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Hogs dangerous? Read on...!
I had to borrow this from a hog hunting board.... but I hope it clears up the discussion of whether hogs attack or flee.... Enjoy!
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March 3, 2008, 10:24 PM | #2 |
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I think that sums it up pretty good...That's why I like to use guns & bows...the knives are only as a LAST RESORT...
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March 3, 2008, 11:13 PM | #3 |
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I have 2 reasons I don't allow guns on a hog doggin' hunt.
First is the dogs... since we intend to take the hog alive, the guys involved are not some paying "hunter" with just a rifle to carry. It gets done that way but them guys don't use catch dogs and they hunt high ground area mostly. I know of only one guy in over 3 years that carries. He carries a .40 cal auto. He doesn't own dogs and can lay back and only has it for just such a situation. The OTHER reason is FELONY... I have yet to find a dog that can read them "NO TRESPASSING" signs. Hogs use all kind of tricks to shake a dog and one is to "Haul The Mail" to the next county. Once we finally get to the caught hog it is often easier to pick a different route out of the land we end up on so leaving your piece on a fence is not responsible. in many states you could face felony armed trespass charges. In the above true story no one (some pro maybe coulda) could have drawn and fired on that charging hog... I carry a Buck 110 in my hip pocket so it woulda been hard to grab. I usually am seeing a big hog wrecking dogs and use it to go in and "stick and git" the fight is over and the dogs are no longer at risk... Brent |
March 4, 2008, 09:34 AM | #4 |
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why is it the coon hunters and hogdogers think it's alright to trespass on other peoples property? i've had them tell me the same thing you said " dogs can't read no trespass signs" but you can ,keep your dogs off my land.
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March 4, 2008, 11:01 AM | #5 |
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yes hogs CAN be dangerous and the big ones unless well hit are hard to drop. and they will charge you if cornered or pressed, it's (IMO) a sort of 'last resort' for them but they will do it. particularly an older large male. the Germans and Russkis hunted 'em off horseback for a reason.
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March 4, 2008, 11:24 AM | #6 |
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How exactly do you expect us to "keep our dogs off your land"?
While I have had to retrieve my dogs off another's land and many I know have too... Often times permission is asked and often a new spot is gotten once the farmer/land owner sees that we actually can be the best may to keep hogs off their land. A dog is trained to stop and bay a hog. if the hog that gets scented already has a 4-500 yard head start it is easy for that hog to cross a property line well before the dogs get to catch up to it and stop it. Unless you are a lease owner you don't want them feral hogs on your place. Brent |
March 4, 2008, 11:37 AM | #7 |
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HogDog -
Do you think the hogs might be more agressive because the dogs are involved? I am a complete novice at hog hunting, only been one time. But the situation we were in - no dogs, just guys with guns - the pigs were just scrambling like mad to get out of dodge. I said before, it was like a quail hunt, walk up to the bushes and kick around and then all heck would break loose as hogs went everywhere. Other factor for us was there were no BIG hogs, biggest was 150, rest were around 80 lbs.
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March 4, 2008, 12:25 PM | #8 |
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Yes the presence of the dogs will increase the fight of a hog. But so will a shot that don't DRT a hog.
Also give them 150# respect too. A 65 pounder went 'tween juniors legs and in one snort and slash moment jut his jeans from the knee th the nads (he thought he got neutered) A 150# hog can easily have 1.5-2 inches of ivoryto use. If a sow in heat is present it is also likely that any hog encountered could be more aggressive with or without the dogs pressuring them. Brent |
March 4, 2008, 01:14 PM | #9 |
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i don't care how you keep them off my land just do it! if your dogs come around my cattle they die, if you cross my property to follow your dogs you go to jail. if you can't keep them off my property don't let them off the leash.
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March 4, 2008, 01:24 PM | #10 |
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187, you are the other reason I don't carry a gun! If you tried that crap in florida I would have you in court so fast and charged with crimes and you WILL pay me what ever I tell the court the dog/s and their off spring would be worth...
If you don't have physical proof (wounds) on your live stock you stand no chance against me and the DA! If you do have live stock than you know that several diseases can be spread by feral swine. You also know that they are destructive to YOUR fences, pastures, crops etc... My bulldogs would love to try a bigger challenge like a ton-o-bull but they remain on lead until the hog is bayed solid. I can't talk for coon hunters. I am a nuisance hog hunter. And I hunt nuisance hogs...LOL Brent |
March 4, 2008, 01:34 PM | #11 |
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One more point to ponder... You will lose the gun at least until after you are found guilty, and if you spout off at the mouth in front the cop investigating it you will likely face a felony (if not already just for shooting the dog/s) which as we all know will inhibit your ability to own guns...
I don not damage fences either so don't blame that on me... Back to the original post subject, Hogs are dangerous... Brent |
March 4, 2008, 01:45 PM | #12 |
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well, in oklahoma i'll shoot your dogs and have you arrested and you'll pay me for any damage done. in this state you don't step foot on another persons property with out written permission. if i want someones help with hog problems i'll ask them other wise stay out.
btw i'm the only male member of my family that isn't an leo, trust me what i say i say from experiance. if florida lets you trample on other peoples property rights thats one thing , don't try it here:barf: |
March 4, 2008, 01:54 PM | #13 |
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I could get a ticket for tresspass... even be held at gunpoint til LEO arrive here in florida but unless my property (dogs) has done damage to yours it is not legal to shoot it. Like I also said one person is usually heading by public access to land owners home to verify we can remove our dogs and they also get offered the hog if they choose to take it and I will even quarter it for them. Actually it has gotten me and those I know (including okies) hunting spots. More than one farmer has said... "Man I was wonderin' who I should call to rid of them damn hogs."
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March 4, 2008, 02:01 PM | #14 |
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What is wrong with someone walking across your land to retrieve dogs or lost game? As long as they are not destroying property or livestock, no harm whatsoever is done other than you getting your feelings hurt. I hope you shoot someones dog one day for no reason and face every possible penalty of the law. Don't be such a tool.
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March 4, 2008, 02:26 PM | #15 |
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yeah that sounds good til they climb your fence and push it down, thier dogs chase your cows til they die of heat exhaustion that would be like me taking $600-$1500 out of your wallet and saying don't be a tool i was just havin fun.
whats so hard to understand i don't come in your house and break your furniture and still from your wallet don't do it to mine. if they come to my door ask to retrieve thier dog or game i will usually go with them. but when a dog chases my cattle or goats time after time with me asking them to keep off my property. you'll loose your dog before i will let them kill my livestock. the point is why do they think they have the right? i don't have a right to enter your house and eat your food just because i'm hungry. |
March 4, 2008, 02:35 PM | #16 |
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Well if'n they wuz hog hunting than they had junk dogs. I don't "push down" nor cut fences. I have seen an 18 year old kid toss his bull dog over the fence of a cattle pasture he had permission to remove hogs and watched that dog ran into the middle of the cattle and cut out a pig and catch him... cows just gave the dog some room to work. I have also seen a hog run thru cattle with 4 bay dogs on his tail and they left the cattle alone. We fear our dogs "trashin' " on a cow cuz the burros will trash one, so we trash break our dogs pretty hard. And if one of my dogs causes ANY farmer a loss I will buy that cow and turn it into hamburger. I would rather buy a dead cow than spend a ton to buy a dog than another ton to the vet and the dog still died from a hog hunting injury... never ate a dog...
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I've even used my dog to catch piglets and make them squeal in hopes the sow will show back up so I can take her out. Most of them never look back and just keep hauling ham. I guess the one difference is the hogs I'm after aren't trapped. They are free to run until the bullet hits. With dogs surrounding them, they probably feel cornered. |
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Dayum wun..you sure don't make your state sound like a fun or friendly place to visit...and I'm from NY! Feral dogs is one thing, hunting dogs that got away are another...have you shot dogs that were harrassing your cattle in the past?
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March 4, 2008, 08:47 PM | #20 |
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And my dogs wear an orange collar with my name and phone number as required by state and a tracking collar for bay dogs and the bulldogs will be wearing a 4 inch "cut collar" and possibly a "cut vest" both the equivalent of body armor on a LEO so no mistaking them as just a feral dog.
I know some ol' hog huntin' hands in oklahoma that you wouldn't want to tell you just shot their dogs...:barf: Brent |
March 4, 2008, 09:35 PM | #21 |
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Pics added...
Here ya'll go...
http://s246.photobucket.com/albums/g...1204662853.jpg http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...1204666455.jpg Lets see if they show up... Brent |
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Yep. They show up. Pretty gruesome.
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March 5, 2008, 12:33 AM | #23 |
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Ouch... That must have hurt! If a pig was charging, what would be better? Slugs or 000 buck? At that point, its not about the meat... Its about YOUR HIDE!!!
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I don't know that it clears up the discussion on whehter hogs attack or flee as they do both (I have only seen the latter), but it fully verifies the potential risk involved.
Here is a statement I made on THR in a discussion on the myth of hogs being dangerous. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...highlight=hogs Quote:
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March 5, 2008, 08:45 AM | #25 |
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A sow with young will attack unprovoked. I saw a buddy of mine once hit a hog with a 30-30. It charged him and he had nowhere to go. He just stood there cranking rounds out of that 30-30. He hit it six times. The last one went through the brain and it fell dead at his feet. It happened real fast. I had a 30-06 but my buddy was in my line of fire. By the time I moved enough to do any good it was all over.
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