YOUR choice for a hand gun in the trenches!

Santino · December 1, 2002, 02:13 PM

OK........... I have a feeling that the battle tested 1911 is gonna be a hands down winner but I am curious if anyone DARES

to suggests that there is a better handgun for a war in the trenches.
Remember its up to you ,You are the one who will be defending his or her life with it.
Anyone prefer a revolver?....8 shot .357?.....44 mag?........Or a modern High capacity plastic weapon........would you insist on a certain caliber?......You figure it out?

SquirrelNuts · December 1, 2002, 02:15 PM

My Glock 17.

-SquirrelNuts

BamBam · December 1, 2002, 02:32 PM

Glock (G-22 for me).

Can't beat the dependability, capacity and simplicity.

Destructo6 · December 1, 2002, 02:34 PM

SIG P226, Glock, HK USP.

Lennyjoe · December 1, 2002, 02:35 PM

If it were my choice then my Glock 19. Since the military frowns on taking your own when deployed then I will have to stick with the Berretta 92. Not a bad gun by no means.

BMWGS80 · December 1, 2002, 02:44 PM

1928 Thompson "pistol" 100 rd drum

13" bbl. no shoulderstock hardware
12 ga. streetsweeper revolver 8" bbl.

cheers,

ts

Dfariswheel · December 1, 2002, 03:08 PM

For this one, take a look at what did, or did not, work back then.

Handguns in general didn't fair too well in the mud of the trenches.
Revolvers of all types were notorious for jamming up from impacted mud. Cylinders stuck, cylinder notches mudded up and the cylinder wouldn't lock. Extractor rods got bent. The heavy S&W revolvers with the shouded ejector rods, got packed with mud, and because of the front lock, if the rod got bent the revolver wouldn't lock, even if it could be forced into the shroud.

Of the revolvers, the British Webley did as well as any revolver could, because the break-open action could be quickly wipped off, and it had no exposed ejector rod.

Auto pistols did better, except many of them were the early designs that were overly complicated, with many critical componets exposed to the elements.

The Luger and Mauser Broomhandles failed to handle mud and reportedly were rarely taken out into No Man's Land for night patrols.

The Colt 1911 and the Austrian Steyr 1912 both were much better designed and both did well.

Today, I'd favor the 1911, both because of it's proven ability to continue to function, and it's ability to be 100% stripped for cleaning.

Any auto with a simular closed slide like the Glock, S&W, etc would probably do well. Because of the open top slide of the Berreta and it's exposed trigger bar, I'm not too sure how well it would do.

gryphon · December 1, 2002, 03:21 PM

OK, I'll vote. The 1911 would be my pick. 90 years can't all be wrong.

M1911 · December 1, 2002, 03:25 PM

In trench warfare, I'd want a whole bunch of grenades, a full-auto M4gery, and Remington 870. And a company of 18-year-old Marines full of piss and vinegar (and a whole lot more foolhardy than yours truly).

A handgun would be way, way down the list.

sm · December 1, 2002, 03:26 PM

1911

I know you said handgun--but my 1st choice is a 870 pump for a trench weapon.

Blackhawk · December 1, 2002, 03:50 PM

Glock.

Capacity and ruggedness tilt for it even if you assume reliability is equal.

Brian Williams · December 1, 2002, 03:51 PM

In the trenches I would rather have a Ithaca 37 M&P without the recently installed disconnector so it could be pumpfired

Pistol 1911,sig,hk,bhp,grock

tomkatz · December 1, 2002, 04:00 PM

glock

Bullzye · December 1, 2002, 04:46 PM

Hk USP or a Glock Fullsize ie. 22, 21, 17 depending on the caliber

IMHO .40 is an ideal caliber, it is all about the personal preference

Gunner45 · December 1, 2002, 04:54 PM

Colt 1911A1 .45ACP, ..................What else??

Gunner45

Blue Duck357 · December 1, 2002, 04:57 PM

Handgun wise I'll take the Glock 22, though in general I'd agree with 1911's philosophy

Though for that matter why do I even need to be in the trench when I could be sitting in my computer room guiding the smart bombs in. If they can fly down a chimmny then surely they can hit a trench

45Rookie · December 1, 2002, 05:06 PM

1911 gets my vote, unless of course an MP5PWD in 10mm is considered a handgun

Kermit · December 1, 2002, 05:07 PM

USP 45

Santino · December 1, 2002, 05:16 PM

I hate to whine but why is it that even in a thread like this when it is pretty obvious that I am asking about WHAT HANDGUN YOU WOULD CHOOSE people must note that they would rather have a shotgun or a nuclear weapon?
It's not a big deal but I feel like it is a little degrading to the other people that post.
Yes, a shotgun would be great but we're not talking about shotguns.
Anyway I hate to whine................. but I just did

Morpheus · December 1, 2002, 05:27 PM

I'll hop in.

Since its a war zone, have to stick with 9mm or 45ACP.

GLOCK 21 with 4-6 magazines.

If I have to go to a handgun in a trench, the **** has really hit the fan.

A sturdy field knife is a must.

ScottFrench · December 1, 2002, 06:26 PM

Glock with hi-cap magazines. Choose your caliber. 9mm, .357, .40, .45 would all work.

Scott

rage · December 1, 2002, 06:34 PM

glock

cheygriz · December 1, 2002, 06:54 PM

1. Beretta
2Glock 17
3 HK 9MM
4 Walther 9MM
5 CZ 9MM
6 Revolver-.357 Mag
7 1911 converted to 9MM

Fraser · December 1, 2002, 07:35 PM

Colt M1911.

My grandfather, an infantry sergeant, used one in the trenches during WWI. Worked for him.

**JohnKSa** · December 1, 2002, 07:47 PM

Glock

Quote:

My grandfather, an infantry sergeant, used one in the trenches during WWI. Worked for him.

My grandfather was a radio op in WWII. His equipment worked too, but he'd be the first to agree that there have been some advances in the last 60 years.

December 1, 2002, 02:13 PM	#1
Santino Member Join Date: November 10, 2002 Posts: 99	YOUR choice for a hand gun in the trenches! OK........... I have a feeling that the battle tested 1911 is gonna be a hands down winner but I am curious if anyone DARES to suggests that there is a better handgun for a war in the trenches. Remember its up to you ,You are the one who will be defending his or her life with it. Anyone prefer a revolver?....8 shot .357?.....44 mag?........Or a modern High capacity plastic weapon........would you insist on a certain caliber?......You figure it out? __________________ #####Santino#####

December 1, 2002, 02:15 PM	#2
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December 1, 2002, 02:32 PM	#3
BamBam Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2002 Posts: 204	Glock (G-22 for me). Can't beat the dependability, capacity and simplicity. Last edited by BamBam; December 1, 2002 at 05:25 PM.

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December 1, 2002, 02:35 PM	#5
Lennyjoe Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2001 Location: Southwest Ohio Posts: 1,150	If it were my choice then my Glock 19. Since the military frowns on taking your own when deployed then I will have to stick with the Berretta 92. Not a bad gun by no means. __________________ If you see a Military man or a Vet, stop him and say "Thanks".

December 1, 2002, 02:44 PM	#6
BMWGS80 Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 1999 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 288	1928 Thompson "pistol" 100 rd drum 13" bbl. no shoulderstock hardware 12 ga. streetsweeper revolver 8" bbl. cheers, ts __________________ Everyone should be given a Bible, a boyscout manual and a Swiss Army knife at birth. All life's problems can be solved with these tools.

December 1, 2002, 03:08 PM	#7
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	For this one, take a look at what did, or did not, work back then. Handguns in general didn't fair too well in the mud of the trenches. Revolvers of all types were notorious for jamming up from impacted mud. Cylinders stuck, cylinder notches mudded up and the cylinder wouldn't lock. Extractor rods got bent. The heavy S&W revolvers with the shouded ejector rods, got packed with mud, and because of the front lock, if the rod got bent the revolver wouldn't lock, even if it could be forced into the shroud. Of the revolvers, the British Webley did as well as any revolver could, because the break-open action could be quickly wipped off, and it had no exposed ejector rod. Auto pistols did better, except many of them were the early designs that were overly complicated, with many critical componets exposed to the elements. The Luger and Mauser Broomhandles failed to handle mud and reportedly were rarely taken out into No Man's Land for night patrols. The Colt 1911 and the Austrian Steyr 1912 both were much better designed and both did well. Today, I'd favor the 1911, both because of it's proven ability to continue to function, and it's ability to be 100% stripped for cleaning. Any auto with a simular closed slide like the Glock, S&W, etc would probably do well. Because of the open top slide of the Berreta and it's exposed trigger bar, I'm not too sure how well it would do.

December 1, 2002, 03:21 PM	#8
gryphon Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2000 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,069	OK, I'll vote. The 1911 would be my pick. 90 years can't all be wrong. __________________ Your suffering will be legendary, even in HELL!! --- PinHead, HellRaiser 2

December 1, 2002, 03:25 PM	#9
M1911 Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2000 Posts: 4,055	In trench warfare, I'd want a whole bunch of grenades, a full-auto M4gery, and Remington 870. And a company of 18-year-old Marines full of piss and vinegar (and a whole lot more foolhardy than yours truly). A handgun would be way, way down the list.

December 1, 2002, 03:26 PM	#10
sm Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2002 Posts: 1,819	No surprise huh? 1911 I know you said handgun--but my 1st choice is a 870 pump for a trench weapon. __________________ Use Enough Gun TFL Alumni

December 1, 2002, 03:50 PM	#11
Blackhawk Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2001 Posts: 5,040	Glock. Capacity and ruggedness tilt for it even if you assume reliability is equal.

December 1, 2002, 03:51 PM	#12
Brian Williams Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2001 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 1,288	In the trenches I would rather have a Ithaca 37 M&P without the recently installed disconnector so it could be pumpfired Pistol 1911,sig,hk,bhp,grock __________________ Brian <><

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Bullzye Member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 44	Hk USP or a Glock Fullsize ie. 22, 21, 17 depending on the caliber IMHO .40 is an ideal caliber, it is all about the personal preference __________________ HK USP .40c .45c Kimber Ultra Ten II Glock 22, 23c Beretta 96 SS S&W 65-1, 685 Colt Delta Elite Etc. Etc.

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December 1, 2002, 04:57 PM	#16
Blue Duck357 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2000 Posts: 1,460	Handgun wise I'll take the Glock 22, though in general I'd agree with 1911's philosophy Though for that matter why do I even need to be in the trench when I could be sitting in my computer room guiding the smart bombs in. If they can fly down a chimmny then surely they can hit a trench

December 1, 2002, 05:06 PM	#17
45Rookie Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2002 Location: PRK Posts: 217	1911 gets my vote, unless of course an MP5PWD in 10mm is considered a handgun __________________ "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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December 1, 2002, 05:16 PM	#19
Santino Member Join Date: November 10, 2002 Posts: 99	I hate to whine but why is it that even in a thread like this when it is pretty obvious that I am asking about WHAT HANDGUN YOU WOULD CHOOSE people must note that they would rather have a shotgun or a nuclear weapon? It's not a big deal but I feel like it is a little degrading to the other people that post. Yes, a shotgun would be great but we're not talking about shotguns. Anyway I hate to whine................. but I just did __________________ #####Santino#####

December 1, 2002, 05:27 PM	#20
Morpheus Junior Member Join Date: November 13, 2002 Posts: 5	I'll hop in. Since its a war zone, have to stick with 9mm or 45ACP. GLOCK 21 with 4-6 magazines. If I have to go to a handgun in a trench, the **** has really hit the fan. A sturdy field knife is a must.

December 1, 2002, 06:26 PM	#21
ScottFrench Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 121	Glock with hi-cap magazines. Choose your caliber. 9mm, .357, .40, .45 would all work. Scott

December 1, 2002, 06:34 PM	#22
rage Member Join Date: April 29, 2002 Location: PA Posts: 32	glock

December 1, 2002, 06:54 PM	#23
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December 1, 2002, 07:35 PM	#24
Fraser Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2000 Posts: 230	Colt M1911. My grandfather, an infantry sergeant, used one in the trenches during WWI. Worked for him.