Another Shooting

deanf · August 10, 1999, 01:31 PM

Just saw video seconds ago about a day care shooting in LA. Supposed to be 5 victims. No other details.

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BLITZKRIEG · August 10, 1999, 01:48 PM

Saw it on the news last night. There were 4 dead and 1 rushed to the hospital (not sure it they lived) it is probably some "crime of passion" which is what the news was saying.

DC · August 10, 1999, 02:08 PM

Blitz....

this one is happening right now:

Los Angeles, a Jewish Community/day care center...5 wounded, maybe more...all kids. Gunman is on the loose..white male dressed in black. Cops on scene

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Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 02:15 PM

G*d forgive me for saying this, but I hope that this past week has been a statistical blip. We can't afford any more incidents.

Now then, will this latest incident point out that gun control does not, will not, and can not work, or will the bannits see another opportunity to howl for civilian disarmament? With the Wall Street shooting yesterday and this today, in two cities with the most heinous restrictions on guns, it would seem obvious that the cops can't be everywhere and protect everyone. Obvious to those of us with a grip on reality, anyway.

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BLITZKRIEG · August 10, 1999, 02:32 PM

I just realized that this is a different shooting than the one last night. So far on the radio Ive heard someone had an Uzi and killed kids. I can see the cries for more gun control already.

Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 02:37 PM

Yeah, I just heard about the Uzi, although ABCNews.com says in print that it was a pumpgun. At least the commentator didn't start raving about "assault weapons," he just said "an Uzi 9 millimeter rifle."

How many more attacks will it take before people start shooting back at these psycho bastards?

And on that note, if one of the adults had dropped the goblin, would we hear about this at all? I expect the headlines would be "Shootout at community center leaves 1 dead."

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DC · August 10, 1999, 02:43 PM

My local CBS news:

Maybe 2 gunmen, one was seen fleeing with a "9mm automatic rifle". Lots of unconfirmed rumors...cops may have inadvertently arrested the father of a critically shot victim.

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Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 02:52 PM

And another one, in Lewiston, ME.

DAMMIT!

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DC · August 10, 1999, 03:06 PM

Latest:
Granada Hills...3 kids, 2 adults wounded...8 yr old boy very critical, 55 yr old woman critical. A father was arrested for breaking thru the police barrier to get to his wounded son. Gunman loose, SWAT is searching the neighborhood...residents are told to stay indoors with doors locked.

I suspect the gunman will be toast when SWAT finds him

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Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 03:14 PM

Hopefully, the SWAT team will just make him *wish* they'd kill him. I'd like to know what the fsck the guy's motive was before he turns into worm food.

Also from ABC's live feed, the cops will not confirm what weapon was used, how many suspects there are, or anything but the condition of the victims. Of course, *now* the mediots are blatting about "rapid-fire" and "sprayed the lobby with bullets", despite the fact that the cops have no solid data.

Watch for the sharks to start circling in a few minutes.

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Danger Dave · August 10, 1999, 03:16 PM

Coinneach, if a LAC (Law Abiding Citizen) dispatched the loon, you wouldn't hear about it. It took me a week to find out about what really happened at Grady Hospital in Atlanta (about 2 blocks away) - all I heard was "there's been another shooting". This was the day after the big one down here. Turns out, a nut comes in the pharmacy waving a gun, trying to hold up the place. A security guard promptly shot him. No news except "Shooting at Hospital" - when the facts came out, you never heard another thing.

None of these tragedies would be so attention-grabbing if they were "good guy shoots bad guy" stories.

I think a lot of good, decent people will be arming themselves - legally or otherwise - because of these defective people. Especially around April 19.

othermarc · August 10, 1999, 03:20 PM

OK, is the media just covering these stories more, or are there that many more shootings these days? (since Columbine) And if the rate number of shootings has gone up (as the media would like us to believe) then does anyone see this as going anywhere except a ban on all guns and/or martial law?

Jewish people, as awhole, are the last ones to support a gun ban, I would think. I just get that impression from the Jews for the Preservation of the Second Amendment web page. They are hard core pro-gun.

Everytime another shooting happens, my co-workers (who know i own guns) like to point that fact out to me. It is getting a little uncomfortable. They blame people like me for these shootings. And now they are being reported frequently.

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deanf · August 10, 1999, 03:35 PM

Each one of these shootings galvanizes me a little bit more to be armed at all convenient and inconvenient times.

Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 03:42 PM

I may just hurl.

ABC's talking heads are comparing this one to Columbine, nattering about "people storming in with guns and killing children." Never mind that Columbine was perpetrated by kids.

Oh, wait... they just mentioned the playground drive-thru. Amazing.

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dZ · August 10, 1999, 03:43 PM

given that there are right to life people out there willing to kill doctors,
do you ever worry that someone is going to mole in here, act friendly, document their access to knowledge, buy a weapon, then for the good of the cause, create an incident?

could the antis get that radical?

dZ

Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 03:46 PM

dz,

Considering the level of outright hatred and malevolence I've encountered in the anti community ("you should all be killed!"), I'd say yes.

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Paul Revere · August 10, 1999, 03:52 PM

Again, may I add that the frequency of/and publicity that these shootings are getting always brings me to the same conclusion. That is, the possibility of a plan being carried out by those who are impatient for change in our society.

I don't mean these nut bags who are actually doing the shooting, I mean someone with an agenda. And I use "someone" loosely.

It is a foregone conclusion that we (most of us on TFL) agree that there is something fishy going on behind the scenes in Washington, D.C.. We see continuous attacks against our liberties, and especially our RKBA. Put yourself in the shoes of these conspirators. What better way to "make" people beg their government for more gun legislation, than to create these appalling incidents. Think about that. The leftist sickos who run things in our Capital know just how sheeple react to these incidents, especially when kids are involved. So why not put the odds in our favor? (they must be saying). Let's find out who has the potential for blowing a gasket, and help him out a little bit. Give him a push...hmmm, what shall we use to induce this violent act? Well, we have these really great mind altering drugs now...of course we could always use hypnotism, or that lovely shock therapy, you know, the one those right wing extremists call brain washing. Maybe we'll use all three to get the desired affect. Then when we are ready to send our little komakazee pilot out in the world, let's give him one of those "assault weapons", maybe even an Uzi or an AK-47. Then we'll send him to a school, no maybe a community center...yes a community center. No!...a Jewish community center. Perfect. Now let's just make sure Ted Koppel and Dan Rather are ready with our latest story against guns for tonight's broadcast. Send him out.

Get the picture?

cornered rat · August 10, 1999, 03:53 PM

Before you buy into the "rising random murder rates", consider that the media outlets are using every trick from the Soviet/Nazi/other unmentionables' repertoire...and are quite good at it. The "rash" of incidents could well be pooling of reports over a few days and then dumping them at once...and at 230+ mil population it isn't too hard to get five incidents together. And, as some have mentioned, some "creative" phrasing occurs.

Coinneach · August 10, 1999, 04:00 PM

Something I found startling about the initial reports on Granada Hills: suspect described as a white male, 30-40, wearing black, and carrying an Uzi.

I'm a white male, 30, who wears black, and I just got my Uzi today.

Damn good thing I'm not in LA, huh?

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A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil.
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cornered rat · August 10, 1999, 04:05 PM

I think we are up to "Czech armored cars are machinegunning German nationals" stage. The question is, as stated by Henry Bowman, when is it time? My guess is, by teaching new folks to shoot and to be armed, we can reduce the other side's numbers without firing a shot. Whether it will be enough...we won't know till later.

weiser09 · August 10, 1999, 04:36 PM

MSNBC just had Feinstein on the phone, and she was saying how this has changed her plans on gun control and now she is going to introduce major gun legislation after the Senate returns from recess. The legislation is going to be registration of all guns and licencing, and possibly making pocession of so called assault weapons illegal. Didn't talk the gun grabber long to dance in the blood.

K80Geoff · August 10, 1999, 05:43 PM

Now every nut job who is thinking about offing himself will be encouraged to go out and do a massacre. They know they will get their picture on time and newsweek and on the news at 6. Instead of just blowing their own brains out and not being noticed they will massacre a few kids and gain notoriety.

We live in a sick society encouraged by the media, they just love this S**t, now they will have special reports with all of the graphics and body bag chasing reporters furthering their vacuous careers.

Next time someone derides you about shootings reply that "if it happens here better hope I am around to end it". That should shut them up!

Folks, I expect more of this in the near future, I just know deep in my gut that we will see more and more massacres in the coming months.

We have to stick together, now more than ever.

Geoff Ross

dZ · August 10, 1999, 05:55 PM

Clinton: Shootings should 'intensify
resolve' on gun violence

August 10, 1999
Web posted at: 6:47 PM EDT (2247 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton urged the nation on Tuesday to "intensify our resolve
to make America a better place" in the face of a shooting that wounded two women and three little
boys in a Los Angeles Jewish community center.

"To the victims and their families, like all Americans, I offer thoughts and prayers," he said.

Speaking to reporters on the White House lawn, Clinton said he had been getting updates on the
search for the gunman. He called the shootings "another senseless act" and offered federal
assistance to local law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, our nation has been shaken and our hearts torn by an act of gun violence," Clinton
said. "It calls on all of us not only to give our thoughts and prayers to the victims and their
families, but intensify our resolve to make America a safer place."

Earlier, Vice President Al Gore offered his thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families.

"We're monitoring the situation very closely," Gore said. "There is still a great deal we don't
know, except the fact that we've seen a neighborhood and a community shattered by violence."

dZ · August 10, 1999, 05:56 PM

Other multiple shootings this year

August 10, 1999
Web posted at: 4:36 PM EDT (2036 GMT)

Some major multiple shootings in 1999:

Aug. 5: Alan Eugene Miller, 34, is charged with killing two co-workers at their office in
Pelham, Alabama, then killing a third person at a company where he used to work.

July 29: Frustrated investor Mark O. Barton, 44, kills nine people and wounds 13 at two
brokerage firms in Atlanta, then kills himself.

July 12: Six members of an Atlanta family, including four children, are shot to death by
Cyrano Marks, the live-in boyfriend of the children's mother. The gunman then kills
himself.

June 11: Joseph Brooks Jr., 27, kills his former psychiatrist and a woman at the doctor's
Southfield, Michigan, clinic. Four others are wounded before Brooks kills himself.

May 20: Six students at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., are allegedly wounded by
T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old sophomore who fires 14 shots from a .22-caliber rifle and
.357-caliber Magnum handgun.

April 20: Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, kill 13 people and then themselves at
Columbine High in Littleton, Colorado.

April 15: Sergei Babarin, 71, opens fire in the Mormon Family History Library in Salt
Lake City, killing two people and wounding four others before police shoot him to death.

March 18: Walter V. Shell, 71, kills his attorney and one of the lawyer's clients in
Johnson City, Tennessee. Shell blamed the lawyer for a $100,000 loss in a dispute over
his ex-wife's will.

Jan. 14: Di-Kieu Duy, 24, allegedly opens fire in a Salt Lake City office building, killing
one person and wounding another.

dZ · August 10, 1999, 05:58 PM

http://cnn.com/US/9908/10/california.shooting.05/

August 10, 1999, 01:31 PM	#1
deanf Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 1999 Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10' Posts: 1,599	Just saw video seconds ago about a day care shooting in LA. Supposed to be 5 victims. No other details. ------------------ “The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals. ... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.” -Alexander Addison, 1789

August 10, 1999, 01:48 PM	#2
BLITZKRIEG Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 1999 Location: Redondo Beach CA Posts: 106	Saw it on the news last night. There were 4 dead and 1 rushed to the hospital (not sure it they lived) it is probably some "crime of passion" which is what the news was saying.

August 10, 1999, 02:08 PM	#3
DC Moderator Emeritus Join Date: September 30, 1998 Location: Calif Posts: 4,229	Blitz.... this one is happening right now: Los Angeles, a Jewish Community/day care center...5 wounded, maybe more...all kids. Gunman is on the loose..white male dressed in black. Cops on scene ------------------ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

August 10, 1999, 02:15 PM	#4
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	G*d forgive me for saying this, but I hope that this past week has been a statistical blip. We can't afford any more incidents. Now then, will this latest incident point out that gun control does not, will not, and can not work, or will the bannits see another opportunity to howl for civilian disarmament? With the Wall Street shooting yesterday and this today, in two cities with the most heinous restrictions on guns, it would seem obvious that the cops can't be everywhere and protect everyone. Obvious to those of us with a grip on reality, anyway. ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 02:32 PM	#5
BLITZKRIEG Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 1999 Location: Redondo Beach CA Posts: 106	I just realized that this is a different shooting than the one last night. So far on the radio Ive heard someone had an Uzi and killed kids. I can see the cries for more gun control already.

August 10, 1999, 02:37 PM	#6
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	Yeah, I just heard about the Uzi, although ABCNews.com says in print that it was a pumpgun. At least the commentator didn't start raving about "assault weapons," he just said "an Uzi 9 millimeter rifle." How many more attacks will it take before people start shooting back at these psycho bastards? And on that note, if one of the adults had dropped the goblin, would we hear about this at all? I expect the headlines would be "Shootout at community center leaves 1 dead." ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 02:43 PM	#7
DC Moderator Emeritus Join Date: September 30, 1998 Location: Calif Posts: 4,229	My local CBS news: Maybe 2 gunmen, one was seen fleeing with a "9mm automatic rifle". Lots of unconfirmed rumors...cops may have inadvertently arrested the father of a critically shot victim. ------------------ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

August 10, 1999, 02:52 PM	#8
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	And another one, in Lewiston, ME. DAMMIT! ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 03:06 PM	#9
DC Moderator Emeritus Join Date: September 30, 1998 Location: Calif Posts: 4,229	Latest: Granada Hills...3 kids, 2 adults wounded...8 yr old boy very critical, 55 yr old woman critical. A father was arrested for breaking thru the police barrier to get to his wounded son. Gunman loose, SWAT is searching the neighborhood...residents are told to stay indoors with doors locked. I suspect the gunman will be toast when SWAT finds him ------------------ "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

August 10, 1999, 03:14 PM	#10
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	Hopefully, the SWAT team will just make him wish they'd kill him. I'd like to know what the fsck the guy's motive was before he turns into worm food. Also from ABC's live feed, the cops will not confirm what weapon was used, how many suspects there are, or anything but the condition of the victims. Of course, now the mediots are blatting about "rapid-fire" and "sprayed the lobby with bullets", despite the fact that the cops have no solid data. Watch for the sharks to start circling in a few minutes. ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 03:16 PM	#11
Danger Dave Senior Member Join Date: April 21, 1999 Location: Dallas, GA, USA Posts: 791	Coinneach, if a LAC (Law Abiding Citizen) dispatched the loon, you wouldn't hear about it. It took me a week to find out about what really happened at Grady Hospital in Atlanta (about 2 blocks away) - all I heard was "there's been another shooting". This was the day after the big one down here. Turns out, a nut comes in the pharmacy waving a gun, trying to hold up the place. A security guard promptly shot him. No news except "Shooting at Hospital" - when the facts came out, you never heard another thing. None of these tragedies would be so attention-grabbing if they were "good guy shoots bad guy" stories. I think a lot of good, decent people will be arming themselves - legally or otherwise - because of these defective people. Especially around April 19.

August 10, 1999, 03:20 PM	#12
othermarc Senior Member Join Date: April 5, 1999 Location: Stamford, CT, USA Posts: 248	OK, is the media just covering these stories more, or are there that many more shootings these days? (since Columbine) And if the rate number of shootings has gone up (as the media would like us to believe) then does anyone see this as going anywhere except a ban on all guns and/or martial law? Jewish people, as awhole, are the last ones to support a gun ban, I would think. I just get that impression from the Jews for the Preservation of the Second Amendment web page. They are hard core pro-gun. Everytime another shooting happens, my co-workers (who know i own guns) like to point that fact out to me. It is getting a little uncomfortable. They blame people like me for these shootings. And now they are being reported frequently. ------------------ Connecticut is the "Constitution" State http://www.angelfire.com/ny2/beefclub

August 10, 1999, 03:35 PM	#13
deanf Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 1999 Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10' Posts: 1,599	Each one of these shootings galvanizes me a little bit more to be armed at all convenient and inconvenient times.

August 10, 1999, 03:42 PM	#14
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	I may just hurl. ABC's talking heads are comparing this one to Columbine, nattering about "people storming in with guns and killing children." Never mind that Columbine was perpetrated by kids. Oh, wait... they just mentioned the playground drive-thru. Amazing. ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 03:43 PM	#15
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	given that there are right to life people out there willing to kill doctors, do you ever worry that someone is going to mole in here, act friendly, document their access to knowledge, buy a weapon, then for the good of the cause, create an incident? could the antis get that radical? dZ

August 10, 1999, 03:46 PM	#16
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	dz, Considering the level of outright hatred and malevolence I've encountered in the anti community ("you should all be killed!"), I'd say yes. ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 03:52 PM	#17
Paul Revere Senior Member Join Date: June 2, 1999 Posts: 624	Again, may I add that the frequency of/and publicity that these shootings are getting always brings me to the same conclusion. That is, the possibility of a plan being carried out by those who are impatient for change in our society. I don't mean these nut bags who are actually doing the shooting, I mean someone with an agenda. And I use "someone" loosely. It is a foregone conclusion that we (most of us on TFL) agree that there is something fishy going on behind the scenes in Washington, D.C.. We see continuous attacks against our liberties, and especially our RKBA. Put yourself in the shoes of these conspirators. What better way to "make" people beg their government for more gun legislation, than to create these appalling incidents. Think about that. The leftist sickos who run things in our Capital know just how sheeple react to these incidents, especially when kids are involved. So why not put the odds in our favor? (they must be saying). Let's find out who has the potential for blowing a gasket, and help him out a little bit. Give him a push...hmmm, what shall we use to induce this violent act? Well, we have these really great mind altering drugs now...of course we could always use hypnotism, or that lovely shock therapy, you know, the one those right wing extremists call brain washing. Maybe we'll use all three to get the desired affect. Then when we are ready to send our little komakazee pilot out in the world, let's give him one of those "assault weapons", maybe even an Uzi or an AK-47. Then we'll send him to a school, no maybe a community center...yes a community center. No!...a Jewish community center. Perfect. Now let's just make sure Ted Koppel and Dan Rather are ready with our latest story against guns for tonight's broadcast. Send him out. Get the picture?

August 10, 1999, 03:53 PM	#18
cornered rat Junior member Join Date: November 30, 1998 Location: Minnesota Posts: 920	Before you buy into the "rising random murder rates", consider that the media outlets are using every trick from the Soviet/Nazi/other unmentionables' repertoire...and are quite good at it. The "rash" of incidents could well be pooling of reports over a few days and then dumping them at once...and at 230+ mil population it isn't too hard to get five incidents together. And, as some have mentioned, some "creative" phrasing occurs.

August 10, 1999, 04:00 PM	#19
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	Something I found startling about the initial reports on Granada Hills: suspect described as a white male, 30-40, wearing black, and carrying an Uzi. I'm a white male, 30, who wears black, and I just got my Uzi today. Damn good thing I'm not in LA, huh? ------------------ A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian - For A Change.

August 10, 1999, 04:05 PM	#20
cornered rat Junior member Join Date: November 30, 1998 Location: Minnesota Posts: 920	I think we are up to "Czech armored cars are machinegunning German nationals" stage. The question is, as stated by Henry Bowman, when is it time? My guess is, by teaching new folks to shoot and to be armed, we can reduce the other side's numbers without firing a shot. Whether it will be enough...we won't know till later.

August 10, 1999, 04:36 PM	#21
weiser09 Member Join Date: April 14, 1999 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 43	MSNBC just had Feinstein on the phone, and she was saying how this has changed her plans on gun control and now she is going to introduce major gun legislation after the Senate returns from recess. The legislation is going to be registration of all guns and licencing, and possibly making pocession of so called assault weapons illegal. Didn't talk the gun grabber long to dance in the blood.

August 10, 1999, 05:43 PM	#22
K80Geoff Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 1998 Location: NE Pennsylvania Posts: 3,639	Now every nut job who is thinking about offing himself will be encouraged to go out and do a massacre. They know they will get their picture on time and newsweek and on the news at 6. Instead of just blowing their own brains out and not being noticed they will massacre a few kids and gain notoriety. We live in a sick society encouraged by the media, they just love this S**t, now they will have special reports with all of the graphics and body bag chasing reporters furthering their vacuous careers. Next time someone derides you about shootings reply that "if it happens here better hope I am around to end it". That should shut them up! Folks, I expect more of this in the near future, I just know deep in my gut that we will see more and more massacres in the coming months. We have to stick together, now more than ever. Geoff Ross

August 10, 1999, 05:55 PM	#23
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	Clinton: Shootings should 'intensify resolve' on gun violence August 10, 1999 Web posted at: 6:47 PM EDT (2247 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton urged the nation on Tuesday to "intensify our resolve to make America a better place" in the face of a shooting that wounded two women and three little boys in a Los Angeles Jewish community center. "To the victims and their families, like all Americans, I offer thoughts and prayers," he said. Speaking to reporters on the White House lawn, Clinton said he had been getting updates on the search for the gunman. He called the shootings "another senseless act" and offered federal assistance to local law enforcement agencies. "Once again, our nation has been shaken and our hearts torn by an act of gun violence," Clinton said. "It calls on all of us not only to give our thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families, but intensify our resolve to make America a safer place." Earlier, Vice President Al Gore offered his thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. "We're monitoring the situation very closely," Gore said. "There is still a great deal we don't know, except the fact that we've seen a neighborhood and a community shattered by violence."

August 10, 1999, 05:56 PM	#24
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	Other multiple shootings this year August 10, 1999 Web posted at: 4:36 PM EDT (2036 GMT) Some major multiple shootings in 1999: Aug. 5: Alan Eugene Miller, 34, is charged with killing two co-workers at their office in Pelham, Alabama, then killing a third person at a company where he used to work. July 29: Frustrated investor Mark O. Barton, 44, kills nine people and wounds 13 at two brokerage firms in Atlanta, then kills himself. July 12: Six members of an Atlanta family, including four children, are shot to death by Cyrano Marks, the live-in boyfriend of the children's mother. The gunman then kills himself. June 11: Joseph Brooks Jr., 27, kills his former psychiatrist and a woman at the doctor's Southfield, Michigan, clinic. Four others are wounded before Brooks kills himself. May 20: Six students at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., are allegedly wounded by T.J. Solomon, a 15-year-old sophomore who fires 14 shots from a .22-caliber rifle and .357-caliber Magnum handgun. April 20: Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, kill 13 people and then themselves at Columbine High in Littleton, Colorado. April 15: Sergei Babarin, 71, opens fire in the Mormon Family History Library in Salt Lake City, killing two people and wounding four others before police shoot him to death. March 18: Walter V. Shell, 71, kills his attorney and one of the lawyer's clients in Johnson City, Tennessee. Shell blamed the lawyer for a $100,000 loss in a dispute over his ex-wife's will. Jan. 14: Di-Kieu Duy, 24, allegedly opens fire in a Salt Lake City office building, killing one person and wounding another.

August 10, 1999, 05:58 PM	#25
dZ Senior Member Join Date: May 31, 1999 Location: Exiled, Fetid Swamp, DC Posts: 7,548	http://cnn.com/US/9908/10/california.shooting.05/