why do glocks blow up?

automainea · February 19, 2001, 04:51 PM

i have seen many pictures on the net of glocks that are in peices from blowing up,whats the deal with this?can they not handle +p or heavy ammo?

Tamara · February 19, 2001, 05:20 PM

They're made of papier-mache and moonbeams and are known to detonate when looked at cross-eyed.

Onslaught · February 19, 2001, 05:26 PM

All those pictures of Glocks blowing up were a result of a semiautopsychological condition known as 1911-envy. It's a sad disorder who's symptoms include light weight, persistant finish, elevated round-count, a tendency to go bang when the trigger is pulled, and failure to show up at the gunsmith for expensive tuning and customizing.

Marko Kloos · February 19, 2001, 05:26 PM

Yes, they are very dangerous handguns. It is your civic duty to purchase any and all specimens of this Saturday Night Special and ship them to me for proper...umm...disposal. (Yeah, that's it...that's the ticket.)

Seriously: there were some blowups with Glocks, but they are no more or less frequent than blowups in other guns. Bad brass, double charged loads, leaded polygonal barrels and a few other factors may cause a blowup in any gun. You hear about Glock blowups more because there are simply so many of them out there, but they don't blow up more than other guns when you look at the proportion vs. the total number of kB'ed guns.

Glocks are among the strongest and most durable handguns out there. Any time you pull the trigger on any handgun, you have a minor chance of a kaBoom.

Blev · February 19, 2001, 05:46 PM

This same question gets asked over and over again. Glocks blow up for the same reasons other guns blow up. I'd say probably 99% of them are ammo related.

Usually it is case failure. This can be something as simple as a rupture in the web that allows venting of the propellant gases. It can also be a catastrophic case failure. In the former case, the pistol is usually unharmed. The magazine is often blown out the bottom but it is usually still functional. In the latter case, the pistol is destroyed. The barrel is typically peeled like a banana.

The reason the ammo failed is usually someone trying to push the envelope or not paying attention to what they are doing. If you exceed the recommended pressure levels of a cartridge, you run the risk of case failure. If you use brass that is week due to structural defects or simply being used and reused over time, you run the risk of case failure. If you use the wrong powder... You get the idea.

Any pistol is susceptible to this type of failure. Glocks are designed with chambers that are looser than match tolerances. This makes them more reliable. It is also the reason that Glock recommends using only factory ammo. The brass in factory ammo is virgin and isn't a problem.

Glocks use a polygonal rifling. This has the benefits of increasing velocity and being easier to clean. It has the detriment of fouling with lead rather rapidly. As it fouls it creates a bore obstruction. This can cause a rupture in the barrel. This is why Glock recommends against using lead bullets.

The last thing is that there are some many Glocks out there that even though the percentage of problems that Glocks have are extremely low, you here about more of them. Combine that with the internet and everybody telling about a story they heard somewhere and things get blown way out of proportion.

That about covers it I think. If I left anything out someone will cover it. I suggest visiting http://www.glocktalk.com and reading up.

Blev

Quantum Singularity · February 19, 2001, 06:01 PM

Glocks are very safe handguns and Kb's are very rare. Most people will not experience a Kb in their lifetime. Enough said! My only complaint concerning Glocks is with their inconsistent accuracy.....other than that they are a very safe, reliable, and durable handgun.

PigPen · February 19, 2001, 06:18 PM

Aw, their OK! It's just that I don't think much of plastic pistols. Makes me think of Dixie cups.......use then throw away.

I like the feel of steel!

PigPen

BB · February 19, 2001, 06:18 PM

Why do Glocks blow up? Well, because Dean Speir says they do, of course!:P

[Edited by BB on 02-19-2001 at 07:16 PM]

Hard Ball · February 19, 2001, 06:19 PM

NO one knows for sure, but suspicion points to poor support of the cartridge in the chamber particularly in calibers larger that 9mm.

johnwill · February 19, 2001, 07:22 PM

I think it's usually caused by too much dynamite, but that's just a guess.

Let's get serious, Glocks don't blow up at the drop of a hat. The older .40S&W guns did have a looser chamber than the current shipping models, and it has a section of unsupported area at the 6 o'clock area on the web. A powder charge that's too strong, or brass that's too weak, will sometimes give way at that point. I have a couple of .45ACP glocks, and their chambers and the support are the same, or better than my 1911's. I don't worry one bit about them suddenly blowing up. FWIW, lots of other handguns come apart when you load defective ammo into them, I've seen a number of revolvers with half a cylinder from an overcharge. Know your ammo, and keep the bore clean, and you'll probably never know what a KB feels like.

wishbone · February 19, 2001, 07:58 PM

Glocks are probably made to blow UP.If they blew DOWN then they would cause much damage to some very vital parts of the anatomy.

STEYR M-357 · February 19, 2001, 08:02 PM

Most of the 40's are nothing more than a modified 9mm.

Steyr and H&K are the only ones that aren't derived from a modified 9mm.

Beretta, Taurus, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Glock, SIG-Saur, Browning HP, etc are based on the 9mm frame, magazine, & barrel outer dimentions.

Glock had to throat the chamber of the 40 in order for the bullet to feed correctly resulting in bulged brass at the 6 o'clock position due to the unsupported chamber.

The outer dimention of the Glock 40 barrel is the same as a 9mm, so why does the 40 have a thinner wall than the 9mm?

A: Because Glock wanted to be the 1st to get to market a .40 without having to do a redesign.

Why do you think 99% of all Kabooms are with Glock 40's?

Kabooms are rare, but when they do happen, usually the gun will be a .40 caliber Glock.

This is what a .40 chamber should look like, compare this to a Glock chamber.

Again, 99.9% of the Glock 40's are safe, 99.9% means that 1 in a thousand are not safe, so chances are in your favor if you happen to own a Glock 40.

Maybe it should be 99.99%, that would be 1 in 10,000

There are a lot of Glock 40's out there and this may be the reason we hear so much about the Glock 40 kabooming.

M16 · February 19, 2001, 08:24 PM

I know Glocks don't kaboom but it happened to me. I had just bought a model 24 .40 and was shooting factory ammo. About halfway through the box a round blew. The magazine blew out of the gun and my hand stung a little but that was the extent of the damages. I hate to tell you this Wishbone but Glocks blow down not up.

February 19, 2001, 08:38 PM

The only Glock KB that I have ever heard of that wasn't by misuse of the weapon was a problem where some factory loaded ammo had gotten a double charge. That would have blown apart any handgun except maybe a T/C. Glock specifically states that their guns are designed to fire factory jacketed ammo and the handloads that usually burst the guns do not qualify as such. If I am stupid enough to pour trans fluid in my crankcase, should I say that GM makes defective cars?

kdub · February 19, 2001, 10:00 PM

one word. PLASTIC.................

Will Beararms · February 19, 2001, 10:43 PM

I want sum ah at thar Steel or lumium instead ah at thar sissy plastic. Heck I want muh gun tah crode' up. Makes em' look tough with that thar rust on em. At thar lumium is light weight and heck, so what if it might crack in 20,000 rounds?

At thar plastic is nuthin' more than a new-fangled idear at don't hold water.

WalterGAII · February 19, 2001, 11:09 PM

Kdub: Please honor this ignorant proletarian by edifying me with some detailed technical reasons that "plastic" causes Glocks to blow up. It's o.k. if you use some polysyllabic words; I'll probably be able to struggle through your explanation, given no time constraints.

Daniel Watters · February 19, 2001, 11:24 PM

The good news is that a Glock will feed grossly out-of-spec cartridges which would cause other pistols to choke. The bad news is that a Glock will feed grossly out-of-spec cartridges which would cause another pistol to choke.

I have encountered many fellow Glockaholics who blithely decide that if their reloads fit in the chamber, their reloads are safe. This includes the use of cases which look like a belted magnum due to constant resizing. Personally, I've found that if a case no longer fits freely into a case gauge, it has also likely lost its neck tension. A slight push on the projectile will cause it to depress further into the case. (Deep seating can dramaticly increase chamber pressure in small volume cases.) In addition, well-used cases which still fit in a case gauge can also suffer from a lack of neck tension. Similiar deep seating can even occur with factory cartridges if they are constantly cycled into and out of the chamber. Yet the Glock will most likely feed these shortened rounds.

Dr45ACP · February 19, 2001, 11:25 PM

Is this another thinly disguised Glock-Haters thread?

six 4 sure · February 19, 2001, 11:35 PM

Two words

Operator Error

guerilla1138 · February 19, 2001, 11:40 PM

No I dont own a Glock, yet. I know several who do.
And I actively want a Model 29.

Now two questions for all the glock haters?
Do you think Glock would be able to stay in business as a gun manufacturer, and continue to charge what they do, if they made crapola guns?
sure hi-point makes crap pistols, but look what they sell for too and look at how they are made.
But seriously if Glock was a cheap gun, would they still be in business charging what they do now?
I think not.
and:
If it was all you had when you needed a gun, would you be b*tching like you do now about how bad they are and how awful they feel?
NO.

I respect your right to free speech, but the "Glocks are grud, the blow up, arent made well." stuff is getting old.
You dont have to like glocks, but every couple of days having a new I hate glocks thread could stop.

sorry to rant.

radom · February 20, 2001, 01:28 AM

I really doubt glocks blow more than other guns, its just they put on a bigger show when they do go Ka-Boom than others. Steel guns crack the grips and blow the mag out the bottom, glocks tend to do a grenage imitation at times. I have also seen lots of pictures of glocks with cracks in the frame too. I hear they have fixed that problem. There must be a reason that tanks have steel armor and not plastic plates. The Glock is one of the few guns that they dont give a price break for the plastic frame too. Its just a production method that saves a lot on cost unless you buy a glock. But I could not hit the sides of a pigs butt at 20 feet with one so I have a predjused opinion.

I just cant get used to the trigger on a glock so its time to get off the soap box before I get the soap up the behind from the Glock lovers.

Now that I have a bunch of people pissed off its time to say that the 5.45 will go thu 10 more cars than the 5.56 will.

And if you aim north a 7.62 will kill a T-56 south of you,

James K · February 20, 2001, 01:52 AM

My $.02 is that Glocks blow for the same reasons other guns do and probably not more frequently. But Glock owners tend to tout the Glock as perfection itself (which it is not, though it is darned good), so those who are tired of hearing about the virtues of Glocks tend to exaggerate their problems. The "plastic" frame has never, to my knowledge, had anything to do with any Glock blowup.

Jim

IronBalls · February 20, 2001, 03:53 AM

Gosh, ive seen this thred so many times, i always try not to respond, but my gut lurches every time i read it. For some reason im personally offended by the way the ? is asked (subject thread). Way blunt for those who love glocks. The title doesnt say 'my dear wife, its a nice day for a walk" but rather shouts "damn your fatt, get your stank arse on a tread mill."

Anyhow, im pretty happy with the bad ammo answer. I remeber about 2 years ago when this was more of an issue, i read something about some hot factory ammo that accidently slipped through- andthe rest was reload mistakes. I remember even further back there was hysteria about KB's in Beretta's, it was all over the place. Pictures, "i know this guy who has a friend whose beretta blew up and blew the F'n roof right off his house, blinding him and his shirts were all dirty with powder burns, he had to dryclean them 2 times each b4 he could wear them again and then his dog ran away."... Then it came out it was all just Military tollerance testing with speicial/insane chambor pressures to find the limits and to come out with better SF ammo.
Anyhow, were all here now, and id easily put my life behind my glock23 (and soon 35) or a 92fs anyday.

Oris · February 20, 2001, 07:13 AM

I got the whole picture.

Glock haters sell some really bad ammo to Glock lovers.
This ammo is designed to blow the Glock up.

In regard to why tanks are still made from this crappy
steel instead of plastic - the answer is simple: there is
not enough plastic, any plastic made today is consumed to
make Glocks...

February 19, 2001, 05:20 PM	#2
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	No. They're made of papier-mache and moonbeams and are known to detonate when looked at cross-eyed. __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

February 19, 2001, 05:26 PM	#4
Marko Kloos Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,521	Yes, they are very dangerous handguns. It is your civic duty to purchase any and all specimens of this Saturday Night Special and ship them to me for proper...umm...disposal. (Yeah, that's it...that's the ticket.) Seriously: there were some blowups with Glocks, but they are no more or less frequent than blowups in other guns. Bad brass, double charged loads, leaded polygonal barrels and a few other factors may cause a blowup in any gun. You hear about Glock blowups more because there are simply so many of them out there, but they don't blow up more than other guns when you look at the proportion vs. the total number of kB'ed guns. Glocks are among the strongest and most durable handguns out there. Any time you pull the trigger on any handgun, you have a minor chance of a kaBoom. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

February 19, 2001, 06:01 PM	#6
Quantum Singularity Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2000 Posts: 925	Here we go again! Glocks are very safe handguns and Kb's are very rare. Most people will not experience a Kb in their lifetime. Enough said! My only complaint concerning Glocks is with their inconsistent accuracy.....other than that they are a very safe, reliable, and durable handgun. __________________ "A gun is a tool, no better or worse than any other tool (an axe, a shovel, or anything). A gun is as good or bad as the man using it". Shane (1953) MOLON LABE!

February 19, 2001, 11:40 PM	#21
guerilla1138 Senior Member Join Date: August 28, 2000 Posts: 294	For all the glock haters.............. No I dont own a Glock, yet. I know several who do. And I actively want a Model 29. Now two questions for all the glock haters? Do you think Glock would be able to stay in business as a gun manufacturer, and continue to charge what they do, if they made crapola guns? sure hi-point makes crap pistols, but look what they sell for too and look at how they are made. But seriously if Glock was a cheap gun, would they still be in business charging what they do now? I think not. and: If it was all you had when you needed a gun, would you be b*tching like you do now about how bad they are and how awful they feel? NO. I respect your right to free speech, but the "Glocks are grud, the blow up, arent made well." stuff is getting old. You dont have to like glocks, but every couple of days having a new I hate glocks thread could stop. sorry to rant.

February 19, 2001, 04:51 PM	#1
automainea Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2001 Posts: 105	i have seen many pictures on the net of glocks that are in peices from blowing up,whats the deal with this?can they not handle +p or heavy ammo?

February 19, 2001, 05:26 PM	#3
Onslaught Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Location: GA Posts: 1,749	All those pictures of Glocks blowing up were a result of a semiautopsychological condition known as 1911-envy. It's a sad disorder who's symptoms include light weight, persistant finish, elevated round-count, a tendency to go bang when the trigger is pulled, and failure to show up at the gunsmith for expensive tuning and customizing.

February 19, 2001, 05:46 PM	#5
Blev Member Join Date: July 27, 1999 Posts: 60	This same question gets asked over and over again. Glocks blow up for the same reasons other guns blow up. I'd say probably 99% of them are ammo related. Usually it is case failure. This can be something as simple as a rupture in the web that allows venting of the propellant gases. It can also be a catastrophic case failure. In the former case, the pistol is usually unharmed. The magazine is often blown out the bottom but it is usually still functional. In the latter case, the pistol is destroyed. The barrel is typically peeled like a banana. The reason the ammo failed is usually someone trying to push the envelope or not paying attention to what they are doing. If you exceed the recommended pressure levels of a cartridge, you run the risk of case failure. If you use brass that is week due to structural defects or simply being used and reused over time, you run the risk of case failure. If you use the wrong powder... You get the idea. Any pistol is susceptible to this type of failure. Glocks are designed with chambers that are looser than match tolerances. This makes them more reliable. It is also the reason that Glock recommends using only factory ammo. The brass in factory ammo is virgin and isn't a problem. Glocks use a polygonal rifling. This has the benefits of increasing velocity and being easier to clean. It has the detriment of fouling with lead rather rapidly. As it fouls it creates a bore obstruction. This can cause a rupture in the barrel. This is why Glock recommends against using lead bullets. The last thing is that there are some many Glocks out there that even though the percentage of problems that Glocks have are extremely low, you here about more of them. Combine that with the internet and everybody telling about a story they heard somewhere and things get blown way out of proportion. That about covers it I think. If I left anything out someone will cover it. I suggest visiting http://www.glocktalk.com and reading up. Blev

February 19, 2001, 06:18 PM	#7
PigPen Senior Member Join Date: June 28, 2000 Location: CSA Posts: 230	Aw, their OK! It's just that I don't think much of plastic pistols. Makes me think of Dixie cups.......use then throw away. I like the feel of steel! PigPen

February 19, 2001, 06:18 PM	#8
BB Junior member Join Date: August 17, 1999 Posts: 812	Why do Glocks blow up? Well, because Dean Speir says they do, of course!:P [Edited by BB on 02-19-2001 at 07:16 PM]

February 19, 2001, 06:19 PM	#9
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	NO one knows for sure, but suspicion points to poor support of the cartridge in the chamber particularly in calibers larger that 9mm.

February 19, 2001, 07:22 PM	#10
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	I think it's usually caused by too much dynamite, but that's just a guess. Let's get serious, Glocks don't blow up at the drop of a hat. The older .40S&W guns did have a looser chamber than the current shipping models, and it has a section of unsupported area at the 6 o'clock area on the web. A powder charge that's too strong, or brass that's too weak, will sometimes give way at that point. I have a couple of .45ACP glocks, and their chambers and the support are the same, or better than my 1911's. I don't worry one bit about them suddenly blowing up. FWIW, lots of other handguns come apart when you load defective ammo into them, I've seen a number of revolvers with half a cylinder from an overcharge. Know your ammo, and keep the bore clean, and you'll probably never know what a KB feels like.

February 19, 2001, 07:58 PM	#11
wishbone Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 1999 Location: florida Posts: 229	Glocks are probably made to blow UP.If they blew DOWN then they would cause much damage to some very vital parts of the anatomy.

February 19, 2001, 08:02 PM	#12
STEYR M-357 Member Join Date: January 6, 2001 Location: OKC Posts: 31	Most of the 40's are nothing more than a modified 9mm. Steyr and H&K are the only ones that aren't derived from a modified 9mm. Beretta, Taurus, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Glock, SIG-Saur, Browning HP, etc are based on the 9mm frame, magazine, & barrel outer dimentions. Glock had to throat the chamber of the 40 in order for the bullet to feed correctly resulting in bulged brass at the 6 o'clock position due to the unsupported chamber. The outer dimention of the Glock 40 barrel is the same as a 9mm, so why does the 40 have a thinner wall than the 9mm? A: Because Glock wanted to be the 1st to get to market a .40 without having to do a redesign. Why do you think 99% of all Kabooms are with Glock 40's? Kabooms are rare, but when they do happen, usually the gun will be a .40 caliber Glock. This is what a .40 chamber should look like, compare this to a Glock chamber. Again, 99.9% of the Glock 40's are safe, 99.9% means that 1 in a thousand are not safe, so chances are in your favor if you happen to own a Glock 40. Maybe it should be 99.99%, that would be 1 in 10,000 There are a lot of Glock 40's out there and this may be the reason we hear so much about the Glock 40 kabooming.

February 19, 2001, 08:24 PM	#13
M16 Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 490	I know Glocks don't kaboom but it happened to me. I had just bought a model 24 .40 and was shooting factory ammo. About halfway through the box a round blew. The magazine blew out of the gun and my hand stung a little but that was the extent of the damages. I hate to tell you this Wishbone but Glocks blow down not up.

February 19, 2001, 08:38 PM	#14
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	The only Glock KB that I have ever heard of that wasn't by misuse of the weapon was a problem where some factory loaded ammo had gotten a double charge. That would have blown apart any handgun except maybe a T/C. Glock specifically states that their guns are designed to fire factory jacketed ammo and the handloads that usually burst the guns do not qualify as such. If I am stupid enough to pour trans fluid in my crankcase, should I say that GM makes defective cars?

February 19, 2001, 10:00 PM	#15
kdub Member Join Date: January 15, 2001 Posts: 37	one word. PLASTIC.................

February 19, 2001, 10:43 PM	#16
Will Beararms Senior Member Join Date: October 12, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,834	I want sum ah at thar Steel or lumium instead ah at thar sissy plastic. Heck I want muh gun tah crode' up. Makes em' look tough with that thar rust on em. At thar lumium is light weight and heck, so what if it might crack in 20,000 rounds? At thar plastic is nuthin' more than a new-fangled idear at don't hold water.

February 19, 2001, 11:09 PM	#17
WalterGAII Junior member Join Date: November 7, 1999 Posts: 1,516	Kdub: Please honor this ignorant proletarian by edifying me with some detailed technical reasons that "plastic" causes Glocks to blow up. It's o.k. if you use some polysyllabic words; I'll probably be able to struggle through your explanation, given no time constraints.

February 19, 2001, 11:24 PM	#18
Daniel Watters Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 644	The good news is that a Glock will feed grossly out-of-spec cartridges which would cause other pistols to choke. The bad news is that a Glock will feed grossly out-of-spec cartridges which would cause another pistol to choke. I have encountered many fellow Glockaholics who blithely decide that if their reloads fit in the chamber, their reloads are safe. This includes the use of cases which look like a belted magnum due to constant resizing. Personally, I've found that if a case no longer fits freely into a case gauge, it has also likely lost its neck tension. A slight push on the projectile will cause it to depress further into the case. (Deep seating can dramaticly increase chamber pressure in small volume cases.) In addition, well-used cases which still fit in a case gauge can also suffer from a lack of neck tension. Similiar deep seating can even occur with factory cartridges if they are constantly cycled into and out of the chamber. Yet the Glock will most likely feed these shortened rounds.

February 19, 2001, 11:25 PM	#19
Dr45ACP Junior member Join Date: November 2, 2000 Posts: 281	Is this another thinly disguised Glock-Haters thread?

February 19, 2001, 11:35 PM	#20
six 4 sure Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 1999 Location: Harrisburg, IL Posts: 294	Two words Operator Error

February 20, 2001, 01:28 AM	#22
radom Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 1,353	I really doubt glocks blow more than other guns, its just they put on a bigger show when they do go Ka-Boom than others. Steel guns crack the grips and blow the mag out the bottom, glocks tend to do a grenage imitation at times. I have also seen lots of pictures of glocks with cracks in the frame too. I hear they have fixed that problem. There must be a reason that tanks have steel armor and not plastic plates. The Glock is one of the few guns that they dont give a price break for the plastic frame too. Its just a production method that saves a lot on cost unless you buy a glock. But I could not hit the sides of a pigs butt at 20 feet with one so I have a predjused opinion. I just cant get used to the trigger on a glock so its time to get off the soap box before I get the soap up the behind from the Glock lovers. Now that I have a bunch of people pissed off its time to say that the 5.45 will go thu 10 more cars than the 5.56 will. And if you aim north a 7.62 will kill a T-56 south of you,

February 20, 2001, 01:52 AM	#23
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	My $.02 is that Glocks blow for the same reasons other guns do and probably not more frequently. But Glock owners tend to tout the Glock as perfection itself (which it is not, though it is darned good), so those who are tired of hearing about the virtues of Glocks tend to exaggerate their problems. The "plastic" frame has never, to my knowledge, had anything to do with any Glock blowup. Jim

February 20, 2001, 03:53 AM	#24
IronBalls Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: Henderson NV Posts: 312	Gosh, ive seen this thred so many times, i always try not to respond, but my gut lurches every time i read it. For some reason im personally offended by the way the ? is asked (subject thread). Way blunt for those who love glocks. The title doesnt say 'my dear wife, its a nice day for a walk" but rather shouts "damn your fatt, get your stank arse on a tread mill." Anyhow, im pretty happy with the bad ammo answer. I remeber about 2 years ago when this was more of an issue, i read something about some hot factory ammo that accidently slipped through- andthe rest was reload mistakes. I remember even further back there was hysteria about KB's in Beretta's, it was all over the place. Pictures, "i know this guy who has a friend whose beretta blew up and blew the F'n roof right off his house, blinding him and his shirts were all dirty with powder burns, he had to dryclean them 2 times each b4 he could wear them again and then his dog ran away."... Then it came out it was all just Military tollerance testing with speicial/insane chambor pressures to find the limits and to come out with better SF ammo. Anyhow, were all here now, and id easily put my life behind my glock23 (and soon 35) or a 92fs anyday.

February 20, 2001, 07:13 AM	#25
Oris Junior member Join Date: October 2, 1999 Posts: 566	I got the whole picture. Glock haters sell some really bad ammo to Glock lovers. This ammo is designed to blow the Glock up. In regard to why tanks are still made from this crappy steel instead of plastic - the answer is simple: there is not enough plastic, any plastic made today is consumed to make Glocks...