Most overrated?

Abominable No-Man · January 22, 2002, 10:17 AM

This is hopefully a new idea- to get away from the "What's your
favorite -----" polls, and the like.

What is, in your opinion, the MOST OVERRATED handgun currently
available, and why?

ANM

tonyz · January 22, 2002, 10:31 AM

I guess I would have to say the Glock. I have nothing against the Austrian pistol it is defiantly a very good auto, except i like some metal and a hammer on my pistols. There are many brands and model's as good or better, but they are not put into a god like statis. JMHO.

Tony

New_comer · January 22, 2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

I have nothing against the Australian pistol

It's AUSTRIAN... in Europe...

You're welcome,

New_comer

stmcelroy · January 22, 2002, 10:41 AM

Australian? Try Austrian....

I also, regretfully will say Glock. Being of Austrian descent you think I should love it. Besides looks, or lack of, the grip angle is so different compared to other guns. Makes it difficult to shoot various other fine weapons.

Steve Mc.

New_comer · January 22, 2002, 10:47 AM

Oh, I forgot my reply...

IMHO, all pistols that are more expensive than my USP9f are scandalously priced and definitely overrated.

Since i'm still saving up for a p7, this would be my honest stand on the matter, for now...

Be safe,

New_comer

David Scott · January 22, 2002, 10:52 AM

IMHO the most overrated pistols are those custom-built 1911s that cost $4,000 and up. You can spend under a grand on a Kimber or such and get a perfectly good 1911. That last one hundredth of a ninute of angle costs too much.

Kermit · January 22, 2002, 11:25 AM

Custom 1911's. Why? I just haven't found enough value in them to justify the difference between them and my USP Expert 45.

Alexis Machine · January 22, 2002, 11:48 AM

HK P7

J. Parker · January 22, 2002, 11:56 AM

Well, the winner in this category is once again....the Glock. When it came out in the eighties it was unique. Think about it. If it came out in 2001 would it have been so successful? No way.
I must give Gaston Glock credit....his timing was pretty darn good but there's really nothing special about his pistol. He's sittin' on a beach somewhere, sippin' a umbrella drink laughin' his a** off

Tamara · January 22, 2002, 12:27 PM

Your guns aren't selling at $489? Mark 'em up to $689 and watch folks line up for the quality and exclusivity afforded by the new, higher price tag.

(For those of you not old enough to remember or who weren't in the hobby at the time, the USP was introduced as HK's "low-end Glock competitor". They really didn't sell all that well originally; jacking up the price actually helped sales take off.)

RenegadeX · January 22, 2002, 12:43 PM

1) 1911 - I do not even have to explain.

2) HK-94 - Cheap stamped receiver, and after you spend $3500, you still have a 9mm.

3) Mark 23 - Just another .45 with a longer barrel. Get a Tactical instead, save $1000.

Erich · January 22, 2002, 01:07 PM

Not trying to join a war, or anything, but I really feel the 1911s are overrated. I like them (flat, can have great triggers, just plain fun to shoot), but I can't say I have ever found one (regardless of the amount of custom work) that's as reliable as a Glock or a Mk III Hi-Power or any H&K or Sig I've ever fired.

And I've fired a pretty good number of 1911s - virtually all with custom work done by reputable 'smiths. Yes, I know that a lot of competition is done with 1911s - that shows that if you tune a machine to work with a specific load (or, rather, tune the load to work with a specific machine), you can make it work well. Now show me you can run even 100 rounds of various JHP loads through that machine w/o failure. Or is that asking too much?

I don't think it is, but that's just my opinion. Now, I certainly agree that the Glocks aren't the as supermagical as sometimes touted. (Heck, what is?) But since we're talking about which type of pistol has more of a bigger following than I feel it's earned, I think the 1911 outdoes the Glock.

ReverendHobo · January 22, 2002, 01:16 PM

* 1911

Yowza · January 22, 2002, 01:17 PM

I think I'll have to go with the USP as well. Just too expensive for no good reason. My brother really wanted one, but I think he's changed his mind after renting one.

Rick

CastleBravo · January 22, 2002, 01:19 PM

The most overrated guns are whichever ones a given poster owns at a given time.

Just to throw gasoline on the fire I'd have to say Les Baer.

juliet charley · January 22, 2002, 01:21 PM

Glock (but excellent marketing)

Abominable No-Man · January 22, 2002, 01:48 PM

Pretty good reasoning, guys. I pretty much concur with all of the
choices put down so far. I also like how this hasn't been turned
into a name-calling event because someone's favorite gun was
picked (and no-one used the word "SUCKS"

).

Anyway, so far it seems that the custom 1911 types are regarded
as overrated with a vote of 6, the Glock following close with 4,
and the USP-types with a count of 3 (or tied with the Glock,
depending on how you read New Comer's post

).

(I was a little surprised with the Glock's # of votes, but hey, that's
cool.

).

So, post on! FTR, I think that the 1911-types are overrated, too.
Nothing wrong with them (I like them, too, but I don't make a
religion out of them), or with the Glock (added as a disclaimer

)

ANM

Abominable No-Man · January 22, 2002, 01:51 PM

Forgot to mention something:

For RenegadeX- is the HK94 the pre-ban civilian copy of the MP5?

Just wondering....

ANM

Rickmeister · January 22, 2002, 01:54 PM

The STI (1911) Grandmaster... Absolutely!

My Kimber does every bit as well for $3000 less.

Shake · January 22, 2002, 02:12 PM

When you say overrated, what do you mean? Overrated by whom? The manufacturer? Shooters? Gun rags?

Glocks are well liked, and certainly have a strong following, but they do what they are advertised to do. If a gun is well liked by many does that mean it is overrated?

1911s certianly have a follwing that may rival Glock's. Why would they qualify as overrated? Price=overrated?

H&Ks do everything H&K says they will do. I see them being mentioned as being overrated, but why are they overrated? Has someone proclaimed H&Ks to be the "end-all" of handguns?

In my opinion, "overrated" implies that a gun is purported to do something that it can't do. In which of these cases (Glock, 1911, H&K) is that true?

Shake

Ala Dan · January 22, 2002, 02:15 PM

My vote would have to go to Sig's rival in price,
the H&K USP. Besides being big, massive, and
looking more like a brick; the quality just is not
the same.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.

Carbon_15 · January 22, 2002, 02:17 PM

SIG. Not the most expensive gun i own, but devinatly the least performance-per-dollor. For $800 it shot patterns instead of groups and the finish was peeling after 150 rounds. The trigger pull was fair to good, but the really long reset stroke made double taps an excersise in frustration. I had this gun in my poseetion for ONE DAY before it had to go back to the factory.
It realy made me glad I owned some lesser quality, "POS" guns like my Charles Daly and Glock to shoot while my world class, top-knotch infalable SIG was in for repair

JJCook · January 22, 2002, 02:21 PM

1911 and Les Baer...definitely-

Semper Fi-
JJC

Mo_Zam_Beek · January 22, 2002, 02:27 PM

S&W autos

Hemicuda · January 22, 2002, 02:29 PM

Glock... without a doubt...

January 22, 2002, 10:17 AM	#1
Abominable No-Man Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: Over here. Posts: 246	Most overrated? This is hopefully a new idea- to get away from the "What's your favorite -----" polls, and the like. What is, in your opinion, the MOST OVERRATED handgun currently available, and why? ANM

January 22, 2002, 10:31 AM	#2
tonyz Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2000 Location: Wa Posts: 922	I guess I would have to say the Glock. I have nothing against the Austrian pistol it is defiantly a very good auto, except i like some metal and a hammer on my pistols. There are many brands and model's as good or better, but they are not put into a god like statis. JMHO. Tony __________________ Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained Last edited by tonyz; January 22, 2002 at 10:52 AM.

January 22, 2002, 10:52 AM	#6
David Scott Senior Member Join Date: February 11, 2000 Posts: 2,456	IMHO the most overrated pistols are those custom-built 1911s that cost $4,000 and up. You can spend under a grand on a Kimber or such and get a perfectly good 1911. That last one hundredth of a ninute of angle costs too much. __________________ "As I looked at my two young sons, each with his gun, and considered how much the safety of the party depended on these little fellows, I felt grateful to you, dear husband, for having acquainted them in childhood with the use of firearms." -- Elisabeth Robinson, in The Swiss Family Robinson by Johann Wyss

January 22, 2002, 12:27 PM	#10
Tamara Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 11, 2000 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 16,002	HK USP. Your guns aren't selling at $489? Mark 'em up to $689 and watch folks line up for the quality and exclusivity afforded by the new, higher price tag. (For those of you not old enough to remember or who weren't in the hobby at the time, the USP was introduced as HK's "low-end Glock competitor". They really didn't sell all that well originally; jacking up the price actually helped sales take off.) __________________ MOLON LABE! 2% Unobtainium, 98% Hypetanium. The Arms Room: An Online Museum.

January 22, 2002, 01:07 PM	#12
Erich Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 1999 Location: Albuquerque, NM, USA Posts: 2,543	Just my humble opinion . . . Not trying to join a war, or anything, but I really feel the 1911s are overrated. I like them (flat, can have great triggers, just plain fun to shoot), but I can't say I have ever found one (regardless of the amount of custom work) that's as reliable as a Glock or a Mk III Hi-Power or any H&K or Sig I've ever fired. And I've fired a pretty good number of 1911s - virtually all with custom work done by reputable 'smiths. Yes, I know that a lot of competition is done with 1911s - that shows that if you tune a machine to work with a specific load (or, rather, tune the load to work with a specific machine), you can make it work well. Now show me you can run even 100 rounds of various JHP loads through that machine w/o failure. Or is that asking too much? I don't think it is, but that's just my opinion. Now, I certainly agree that the Glocks aren't the as supermagical as sometimes touted. (Heck, what is?) But since we're talking about which type of pistol has more of a bigger following than I feel it's earned, I think the 1911 outdoes the Glock.

January 22, 2002, 10:41 AM	#4
stmcelroy Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: Central Oregon Posts: 562	Australian? Try Austrian.... I also, regretfully will say Glock. Being of Austrian descent you think I should love it. Besides looks, or lack of, the grip angle is so different compared to other guns. Makes it difficult to shoot various other fine weapons. Steve Mc.

January 22, 2002, 10:47 AM	#5
New_comer Senior Member Join Date: July 30, 2001 Location: Manila, Phil. Posts: 1,004	Oh, I forgot my reply... IMHO, all pistols that are more expensive than my USP9f are scandalously priced and definitely overrated. Since i'm still saving up for a p7, this would be my honest stand on the matter, for now... Be safe, New_comer

January 22, 2002, 11:25 AM	#7
Kermit Senior Member Join Date: February 6, 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,020	Custom 1911's. Why? I just haven't found enough value in them to justify the difference between them and my USP Expert 45.

January 22, 2002, 11:48 AM	#8
Alexis Machine Member Join Date: January 20, 2000 Posts: 66	HK P7

January 22, 2002, 11:56 AM	#9
J. Parker Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2000 Location: Ephrata, wa. USA Posts: 1,338	Well, the winner in this category is once again....the Glock. When it came out in the eighties it was unique. Think about it. If it came out in 2001 would it have been so successful? No way. I must give Gaston Glock credit....his timing was pretty darn good but there's really nothing special about his pistol. He's sittin' on a beach somewhere, sippin' a umbrella drink laughin' his a** off

January 22, 2002, 12:43 PM	#11
RenegadeX Senior Member Join Date: August 27, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 265	1) 1911 - I do not even have to explain. 2) HK-94 - Cheap stamped receiver, and after you spend $3500, you still have a 9mm. 3) Mark 23 - Just another .45 with a longer barrel. Get a Tactical instead, save $1000.

January 22, 2002, 01:16 PM	#13
ReverendHobo Member Join Date: January 13, 2002 Location: Silicon Valley, PRK Posts: 80	* 1911

January 22, 2002, 01:17 PM	#14
Yowza Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 93	I think I'll have to go with the USP as well. Just too expensive for no good reason. My brother really wanted one, but I think he's changed his mind after renting one. Rick

January 22, 2002, 01:19 PM	#15
CastleBravo Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 1999 Posts: 2,144	The most overrated guns are whichever ones a given poster owns at a given time. Just to throw gasoline on the fire I'd have to say Les Baer.

January 22, 2002, 01:21 PM	#16
juliet charley Senior Member Join Date: November 11, 1999 Posts: 2,501	Glock (but excellent marketing)

January 22, 2002, 01:48 PM	#17
Abominable No-Man Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: Over here. Posts: 246	Pretty good reasoning, guys. I pretty much concur with all of the choices put down so far. I also like how this hasn't been turned into a name-calling event because someone's favorite gun was picked (and no-one used the word "SUCKS" ). Anyway, so far it seems that the custom 1911 types are regarded as overrated with a vote of 6, the Glock following close with 4, and the USP-types with a count of 3 (or tied with the Glock, depending on how you read New Comer's post ). (I was a little surprised with the Glock's # of votes, but hey, that's cool. ). So, post on! FTR, I think that the 1911-types are overrated, too. Nothing wrong with them (I like them, too, but I don't make a religion out of them), or with the Glock (added as a disclaimer ) ANM

January 22, 2002, 01:51 PM	#18
Abominable No-Man Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2001 Location: Over here. Posts: 246	Forgot to mention something: For RenegadeX- is the HK94 the pre-ban civilian copy of the MP5? Just wondering.... ANM

January 22, 2002, 01:54 PM	#19
Rickmeister Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 797	The STI (1911) Grandmaster... Absolutely! My Kimber does every bit as well for $3000 less. __________________ NRA Lifer Last edited by Rickmeister; January 23, 2002 at 10:42 AM.

January 22, 2002, 02:12 PM	#20
Shake Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 1999 Location: Utah Posts: 1,004	When you say overrated, what do you mean? Overrated by whom? The manufacturer? Shooters? Gun rags? Glocks are well liked, and certainly have a strong following, but they do what they are advertised to do. If a gun is well liked by many does that mean it is overrated? 1911s certianly have a follwing that may rival Glock's. Why would they qualify as overrated? Price=overrated? H&Ks do everything H&K says they will do. I see them being mentioned as being overrated, but why are they overrated? Has someone proclaimed H&Ks to be the "end-all" of handguns? In my opinion, "overrated" implies that a gun is purported to do something that it can't do. In which of these cases (Glock, 1911, H&K) is that true? Shake __________________ “The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make some other bastard die for his.” -George Patton

January 22, 2002, 02:15 PM	#21
Ala Dan Member in memoriam Join Date: August 13, 1999 Location: In The HOT, Humid, and Mu Posts: 6,116	My vote would have to go to Sig's rival in price, the H&K USP. Besides being big, massive, and looking more like a brick; the quality just is not the same. Best Wishes, Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.

January 22, 2002, 02:17 PM	#22
Carbon_15 Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2001 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 938	SIG. Not the most expensive gun i own, but devinatly the least performance-per-dollor. For $800 it shot patterns instead of groups and the finish was peeling after 150 rounds. The trigger pull was fair to good, but the really long reset stroke made double taps an excersise in frustration. I had this gun in my poseetion for ONE DAY before it had to go back to the factory. It realy made me glad I owned some lesser quality, "POS" guns like my Charles Daly and Glock to shoot while my world class, top-knotch infalable SIG was in for repair

January 22, 2002, 02:21 PM	#23
JJCook Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2000 Location: North Texas Posts: 206	1911 and Les Baer...definitely- Semper Fi- JJC

January 22, 2002, 02:27 PM	#24
Mo_Zam_Beek Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2001 Posts: 308	S&W autos

January 22, 2002, 02:29 PM	#25
Hemicuda Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,757	Glock... without a doubt... __________________ Hemi. gun and car collector. Rare cars, and rarer guns.