How about the Beretta Storm? - Page 2

JackDRipper · July 1, 2004, 11:29 PM

Double Naught Spy, Does the Pearce Grip extensions on your magazines add 2 more rounds in capacity?Thanks!
JR

Barkode · August 29, 2004, 06:36 PM

First off, given the photos from actual owners...
PAOLO, awesome shots. They almost warrant proof of age.

This is a GOOD looking firearm.

I was not aware of it until recent, and since I found the information on it, it is my next goal of handling, drooling over, and buying.

I was planning on my next purchase being a S&W .500 revolver, or Magnum's SP-21. Looking at the CX4 sort of derailed me.

How does it shoot?

It is obviously, from these forums and other articles, deadly accurate at 25 and 50 yards. How does it fare at longer ranges, given the pistol type rounds?

Does the low weight of the carbine feel unnatural?

I suppose I'm just fishing for all the information I can get, at this point. All and any will indeed be appreciated. I hate to plan on a purchase so quickly after disocvering it's existance, but this, so far, seems to be a hands down winner.

There is one stocked at a relatively close shop, and I'll be heading that way soon to handle one.

I'm just recently getting back into shooting, and I do think this forum will be invaluable in many decisions. Thank you all in advance.

BK

Jamie Young · August 29, 2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

It is obviously, from these forums and other articles, deadly accurate at 25 and 50 yards. How does it fare at longer ranges, given the pistol type rounds?

You can shoot 124gr+P ammo that is close to 1400fps in these guns. That's up in the 357 Magnum area. I've read that the MP5 is accurate enough out to 300yds. Not ideal but you can hit a man sized target at that range with the MP5. It's kind of like the 600yd shots with the M4. It's weak but still accurate enough.

Barkode · August 29, 2004, 09:14 PM

Seems that with proper optics, (I'm not blessed with perfect natural eyesight), one could play around with a tight group at 100 yards easily with the CX4. If I can shoot through a previous hole, I'll be more than impressed at that distance.

Not a sniping piece, but well enough to make some tight groups at normal range distances.

Fair enough. Accurate, sleek, and inexpensive rounds. It's a cool gun. It looks awesome, and I still want it.

BusGunner007 · August 29, 2004, 10:28 PM

I've since found out the CX4 uses a crossbolt safety...familiar to me for a couple of reasons...

The .40 version intrigues me.

MLH · September 8, 2004, 11:40 AM

Added a few goodies and boy is it fun

swingset · September 9, 2004, 03:26 AM

I just got done "decorating" mine, and putting it through it's paces with 500 or so rounds of various manufacture.

Here 'tis:

So far, it's proving to be VERY accurate, handy and completely reliable. No hiccups, even with cheapo ammo and hollow points. Using Italian pre-bans and the factory 10 rounders, I haven't had any problems whatsoever. The tool-less breakdown, handy sights and terrific ergos make it the funnest gun I have to shoot, and having the rail that allows a std. 30mm tube to cowitness the irons is very nice too. I have the multi-reticle Bushnell Trophy tube on mine, a great little sight.

And, if you're a goof like me, you'll appreciate the fact that the Storm can be bumped fired very easily and it's quite fun to put 15 rounds downrange in one pull.

oneoftwenty7.62 · September 9, 2004, 07:09 AM

I purchased a cx4 primarily for my SO, but have to admit.... it is really a joy to shoot......100% reliable......and she is very accurate!!

Double Naught Spy · September 9, 2004, 06:36 PM

The Pierce extensions add 1-2 extra rounds depending on the magazine. I have some 15 rounders made by Beretta where 2 rounds are added and a couple where it only adds 1 and I don't know why it is one way and not the other.

Yes, you can shoot +P ammo, but Beretta suggests not doing it much. It is a fun gun to shoot, but it has a lot of plastic and I don't know that I would want it as a primary defense gun or a car gun. There are simply better options.

With that said, we had a get together shoot last weekend and my Storm was a big hit. I have an ACOG TA11 with donut reticle on mine (borrowed from my AR) and sighted to 100 yards. Folks had no problem hitting a 1/2-sized silhouette steel target at 80-100 yards, firing from the shoulder and not braced. It is a very fun gun to shoot. With that in mind, it is pretty expensive for a 9mm carbine for what it does. I still like mine just fine, but don't see me running out to buy any more of them.

JackANSI · December 21, 2004, 08:57 PM

I can't wait to get out to the range each weekend to shoot mine. I've had the 40 S&W version for just about a month now. Really easy to hit plates on a normal range and always a head turner.

Anytime anyone is in the central PA area and wants to shoot, send me a PM.

Double Naught Spy · December 21, 2004, 09:22 PM

Here is my $3 solution to whisker pulling. It is an Allen brand elastic spare shotgun cartridge sleeve. The changes are that I restitched a couple of the cartridge holders to hold magazines instead of cartridges. Plus, the sleeve covers the part of the stock that pulls the whiskers.

The mag in the gun is a 15 rounder with Pierce extension. The two spares are 20 rounders with the spacer from www.houtsenterprises.com/beretta-cx4-storm.html

My Storm now has just over 7400 rounds through it and it has done very well thusfar. I have had a total of 8 malfunctions, all stovepipes and all with Blazer 115 gr ball., but Blazer also accounts for more than 7000 rounds that I have fired through the Storm.

TheSpoGun · December 27, 2004, 06:25 AM

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Schrambo · December 31, 2004, 03:04 AM

What determined your decision to go with the .40 vs the 9MM... And what's the largest mag size you have found in each caliber??

Santa forgot me this year, I may have to purchase one of these...

PAOLO721 · December 31, 2004, 11:45 AM

I am happily waiting on the .45cal version of the Storm. I have 9mm version already.

JackANSI · December 31, 2004, 01:52 PM

I went with the .40S&W just because a majority of my pistols are the same caliber. I modified one of the stock mags to hold 12 rounds (just use the right bench vice to push the indents back out, gently with enough padding to not mark up the surface).

Then one day at the range, I noticed the 12-round mags from my Springfield XD-40 looked almost identical to the CX-4's. I only needed to cut 2 slots in them to make them work in the CX-4, so I modified all 6 I have to work in both guns and modified the CX-4 mags to work in the XD (which just required drilling a hole and a few seconds with the dremel and modify the slot in the top, that activates the bolt release lever). Just need to be extremely careful about getting the measurements right. In order to make it repeatable for all 6 clips I put my time into making a jig out of 6061 aluminum.

If I can figure out how to take the butt apart and get inside there, I think I found a way to integrate a switch for a laser sight with the trigger. Anyone know the procedure to take it apart (if it was even designed to do so)? I poked at it a bit and it doesn't look all that easy to get it apart, but there seems to be plenty of room in there. When i get a bit more daring I'll try to take the rubber padding off the top of the butt and see if thats the solution to it. The end result is to have the laser come on when you just take the slack out of the trigger.

I just crossed the 3000 round mark this weekend without a single hiccup. I shoot factory loads mostly, Fiocchi 170gr FMJTC. accounts for 2700 of those. The rest is a mix of american eagle 165gr. and Federal hydra-shok 155gr.

Tom2 · December 31, 2004, 02:21 PM

OK now I want to see someone who has had the Ruger carbine or the Marlin camp carbine and compare the three. I can't decide if I trust space age polymers or steel and hardwood more. Getting bored with my M1 carbine and would like to check out something less than a centerfire rifle carbine-not quite .223 level for instance. What say?

sapper1 · March 17, 2008, 06:53 PM

I've had my Beretta CX4 Storm for a bit now and put a fair amount of lead down range with it. I mounted a Bushnell hold sight on it and I am pretty happy over all with it minus the trigger pull. The trigger pull is way to heavy.

I've asked a few local gunsmiths here in El Paso to lighten the trigger but they don't seem to know how.

Does any one out there know how to lighten the triger?

Ridge_Runner_5 · March 17, 2008, 08:09 PM

Welcome aboard, Sapper.

Appreciate your eagerness to post, but I'd stick the replies to threads less than 3 years old, personally.

YukonKid · March 17, 2008, 10:09 PM

+1 to ridge...this thread is OLD

YK

and i passed over a storm a few days ago...bought ammo for guns i already own

Ridge_Runner_5 · March 17, 2008, 10:18 PM

My Storm clone

Cost me about $250

odsixer · March 17, 2008, 10:44 PM

Here's to reviving old thread's

I gotta get one of those, although I would have preferred the RX4 in .223

Silver Bullet · March 18, 2008, 10:23 AM

I was looking pretty hard at these a few months ago as a candidate for my next rifle. I've already got a Beretta 92 and being able to swap magazines is a great draw. I was thinking that this would make a great home defense weapon, especially for my wife.

Recently, though, I read where someone said that the springs wouldn't hold up well in the constant compression I would have it in so that my wife wouldn't have to cock it. Any opinions about this ?

odsixer · March 18, 2008, 12:57 PM

I don't think this is an issue with modern spring material...just empty the mag periodically to make sure

Silver Bullet · March 18, 2008, 11:40 PM

Not the magazine spring -- the recoil spring.

Double Naught Spy · March 19, 2008, 04:52 AM

You want to store the rifle with the bolt open so your wife won't have to cock it. If I may ask, is she physically disabled in some way or is this just a learning issue? You don't have to be terrible strong to cock the Storm.

Yes this is an old thread, but since I posted near the top, here is an update...

I now have something like 30K through my Storm 9mm. I have worn out one extractor and replaced one recoil spring. It shoots best with Beretta magazines. I have afer market 30 round magazines for plinking at the range and they do okay until you drop one and ammo shoots out or gets canted all womperjawed. I shoot Blazer ammo and it loves the stuff.

I have shot the Hi Point. If I had it to do over again, I might go with a Hi Point instead. The only shortcoming of the Hi Point is mag capacity. They seem to be very reliable little carbines and shooting one side by side with the Storm, just as accurate out to 200 yards.

August 29, 2004, 06:36 PM	#27
Barkode Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2004 Posts: 10	The storm. First off, given the photos from actual owners... PAOLO, awesome shots. They almost warrant proof of age. This is a GOOD looking firearm. I was not aware of it until recent, and since I found the information on it, it is my next goal of handling, drooling over, and buying. I was planning on my next purchase being a S&W .500 revolver, or Magnum's SP-21. Looking at the CX4 sort of derailed me. How does it shoot? It is obviously, from these forums and other articles, deadly accurate at 25 and 50 yards. How does it fare at longer ranges, given the pistol type rounds? Does the low weight of the carbine feel unnatural? I suppose I'm just fishing for all the information I can get, at this point. All and any will indeed be appreciated. I hate to plan on a purchase so quickly after disocvering it's existance, but this, so far, seems to be a hands down winner. There is one stocked at a relatively close shop, and I'll be heading that way soon to handle one. I'm just recently getting back into shooting, and I do think this forum will be invaluable in many decisions. Thank you all in advance. BK

August 29, 2004, 10:28 PM	#30
BusGunner007 Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: Upper Left Coast Posts: 2,116	I've since found out the CX4 uses a crossbolt safety...familiar to me for a couple of reasons... The .40 version intrigues me. __________________ "...if you're not havin' fun, you're workin'..."

September 8, 2004, 11:40 AM	#31
MLH Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2002 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 165	I Love my Storm Added a few goodies and boy is it fun __________________ Don't ever doubt that I will shoot. Trial by 12 before carry by 6. "There is no distinctly native American criminal class, save congress." Mark Twain

September 9, 2004, 03:26 AM	#32
swingset Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2001 Location: Granville, OH Posts: 344	I just got done "decorating" mine, and putting it through it's paces with 500 or so rounds of various manufacture. Here 'tis: So far, it's proving to be VERY accurate, handy and completely reliable. No hiccups, even with cheapo ammo and hollow points. Using Italian pre-bans and the factory 10 rounders, I haven't had any problems whatsoever. The tool-less breakdown, handy sights and terrific ergos make it the funnest gun I have to shoot, and having the rail that allows a std. 30mm tube to cowitness the irons is very nice too. I have the multi-reticle Bushnell Trophy tube on mine, a great little sight. And, if you're a goof like me, you'll appreciate the fact that the Storm can be bumped fired very easily and it's quite fun to put 15 rounds downrange in one pull. __________________ Life is a big, black hole of sucking disappointment.

September 9, 2004, 07:09 AM	#33
oneoftwenty7.62 Junior member Join Date: September 9, 2004 Posts: 19	cx4 I purchased a cx4 primarily for my SO, but have to admit.... it is really a joy to shoot......100% reliable......and she is very accurate!!

July 1, 2004, 11:29 PM	#26
JackDRipper Member Join Date: March 25, 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 90	Double Naught Spy, Does the Pearce Grip extensions on your magazines add 2 more rounds in capacity?Thanks! JR

August 29, 2004, 09:14 PM	#29
Barkode Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2004 Posts: 10	Seems that with proper optics, (I'm not blessed with perfect natural eyesight), one could play around with a tight group at 100 yards easily with the CX4. If I can shoot through a previous hole, I'll be more than impressed at that distance. Not a sniping piece, but well enough to make some tight groups at normal range distances. Fair enough. Accurate, sleek, and inexpensive rounds. It's a cool gun. It looks awesome, and I still want it.

September 9, 2004, 06:36 PM	#34
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	The Pierce extensions add 1-2 extra rounds depending on the magazine. I have some 15 rounders made by Beretta where 2 rounds are added and a couple where it only adds 1 and I don't know why it is one way and not the other. Yes, you can shoot +P ammo, but Beretta suggests not doing it much. It is a fun gun to shoot, but it has a lot of plastic and I don't know that I would want it as a primary defense gun or a car gun. There are simply better options. With that said, we had a get together shoot last weekend and my Storm was a big hit. I have an ACOG TA11 with donut reticle on mine (borrowed from my AR) and sighted to 100 yards. Folks had no problem hitting a 1/2-sized silhouette steel target at 80-100 yards, firing from the shoulder and not braced. It is a very fun gun to shoot. With that in mind, it is pretty expensive for a 9mm carbine for what it does. I still like mine just fine, but don't see me running out to buy any more of them. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

December 21, 2004, 08:57 PM	#35
JackANSI Junior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Location: Central PA Posts: 2	I can't wait to get out to the range each weekend to shoot mine. I've had the 40 S&W version for just about a month now. Really easy to hit plates on a normal range and always a head turner. Anytime anyone is in the central PA area and wants to shoot, send me a PM.

December 21, 2004, 09:22 PM	#36
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	Here is my $3 solution to whisker pulling. It is an Allen brand elastic spare shotgun cartridge sleeve. The changes are that I restitched a couple of the cartridge holders to hold magazines instead of cartridges. Plus, the sleeve covers the part of the stock that pulls the whiskers. The mag in the gun is a 15 rounder with Pierce extension. The two spares are 20 rounders with the spacer from www.houtsenterprises.com/beretta-cx4-storm.html My Storm now has just over 7400 rounds through it and it has done very well thusfar. I have had a total of 8 malfunctions, all stovepipes and all with Blazer 115 gr ball., but Blazer also accounts for more than 7000 rounds that I have fired through the Storm. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange Last edited by Double Naught Spy; October 8, 2008 at 05:19 PM.

December 27, 2004, 06:25 AM	#37
TheSpoGun Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 25	..

December 31, 2004, 03:04 AM	#38
Schrambo Member Join Date: November 17, 2004 Location: 9174' in Colorado Posts: 21	What determined your decision to go with the .40 vs the 9MM... And what's the largest mag size you have found in each caliber?? Santa forgot me this year, I may have to purchase one of these...

December 31, 2004, 11:45 AM	#39
PAOLO721 Junior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 14	I am happily waiting on the .45cal version of the Storm. I have 9mm version already. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

December 31, 2004, 01:52 PM	#40
JackANSI Junior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Location: Central PA Posts: 2	I went with the .40S&W just because a majority of my pistols are the same caliber. I modified one of the stock mags to hold 12 rounds (just use the right bench vice to push the indents back out, gently with enough padding to not mark up the surface). Then one day at the range, I noticed the 12-round mags from my Springfield XD-40 looked almost identical to the CX-4's. I only needed to cut 2 slots in them to make them work in the CX-4, so I modified all 6 I have to work in both guns and modified the CX-4 mags to work in the XD (which just required drilling a hole and a few seconds with the dremel and modify the slot in the top, that activates the bolt release lever). Just need to be extremely careful about getting the measurements right. In order to make it repeatable for all 6 clips I put my time into making a jig out of 6061 aluminum. If I can figure out how to take the butt apart and get inside there, I think I found a way to integrate a switch for a laser sight with the trigger. Anyone know the procedure to take it apart (if it was even designed to do so)? I poked at it a bit and it doesn't look all that easy to get it apart, but there seems to be plenty of room in there. When i get a bit more daring I'll try to take the rubber padding off the top of the butt and see if thats the solution to it. The end result is to have the laser come on when you just take the slack out of the trigger. I just crossed the 3000 round mark this weekend without a single hiccup. I shoot factory loads mostly, Fiocchi 170gr FMJTC. accounts for 2700 of those. The rest is a mix of american eagle 165gr. and Federal hydra-shok 155gr.

December 31, 2004, 02:21 PM	#41
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	Compare to other carbs. OK now I want to see someone who has had the Ruger carbine or the Marlin camp carbine and compare the three. I can't decide if I trust space age polymers or steel and hardwood more. Getting bored with my M1 carbine and would like to check out something less than a centerfire rifle carbine-not quite .223 level for instance. What say?

March 17, 2008, 06:53 PM	#42
sapper1 Junior Member Join Date: March 17, 2008 Location: El Paso Posts: 1	Trigger Jobs I've had my Beretta CX4 Storm for a bit now and put a fair amount of lead down range with it. I mounted a Bushnell hold sight on it and I am pretty happy over all with it minus the trigger pull. The trigger pull is way to heavy. I've asked a few local gunsmiths here in El Paso to lighten the trigger but they don't seem to know how. Does any one out there know how to lighten the triger?

March 17, 2008, 08:09 PM	#43
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	Welcome aboard, Sapper. Appreciate your eagerness to post, but I'd stick the replies to threads less than 3 years old, personally.

March 17, 2008, 10:09 PM	#44
YukonKid Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2007 Location: NW Posts: 744	+1 to ridge...this thread is OLD YK and i passed over a storm a few days ago...bought ammo for guns i already own __________________ This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name!

March 17, 2008, 10:18 PM	#45
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	My Storm clone Cost me about $250

March 17, 2008, 10:44 PM	#46
odsixer Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Location: great white north Posts: 316	Here's to reviving old thread's I gotta get one of those, although I would have preferred the RX4 in .223

March 18, 2008, 10:23 AM	#47
Silver Bullet Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 995	I was looking pretty hard at these a few months ago as a candidate for my next rifle. I've already got a Beretta 92 and being able to swap magazines is a great draw. I was thinking that this would make a great home defense weapon, especially for my wife. Recently, though, I read where someone said that the springs wouldn't hold up well in the constant compression I would have it in so that my wife wouldn't have to cock it. Any opinions about this ? __________________ I am not a real bullet, nor do I play one on television. American socialism: Democrats trying to get Republicans to provide for them.

March 18, 2008, 12:57 PM	#48
odsixer Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Location: great white north Posts: 316	I don't think this is an issue with modern spring material...just empty the mag periodically to make sure

March 18, 2008, 11:40 PM	#49
Silver Bullet Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2001 Location: Arizona Posts: 995	Not the magazine spring -- the recoil spring. __________________ I am not a real bullet, nor do I play one on television. American socialism: Democrats trying to get Republicans to provide for them.

March 19, 2008, 04:52 AM	#50
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	You want to store the rifle with the bolt open so your wife won't have to cock it. If I may ask, is she physically disabled in some way or is this just a learning issue? You don't have to be terrible strong to cock the Storm. Yes this is an old thread, but since I posted near the top, here is an update... I now have something like 30K through my Storm 9mm. I have worn out one extractor and replaced one recoil spring. It shoots best with Beretta magazines. I have afer market 30 round magazines for plinking at the range and they do okay until you drop one and ammo shoots out or gets canted all womperjawed. I shoot Blazer ammo and it loves the stuff. I have shot the Hi Point. If I had it to do over again, I might go with a Hi Point instead. The only shortcoming of the Hi Point is mag capacity. They seem to be very reliable little carbines and shooting one side by side with the Storm, just as accurate out to 200 yards.