Glock 27 recoil spring assy failure.

Zensho · February 18, 2000, 10:20 PM

Was out at the range today with a buddy, shooting our Glocks. He had a 23, I had a 27 I just picked up new a month ago and am still testing for reliability. Today as I passed the 120 round mark on it, I noticed the slide did not return to battery. I field stripped it and found that the recoil spring containment assembly had failed. The flange on the sheetmetal collar that contains the larger spring had broken, allowing the spring to decompress and put the Glock 27 out of action. A little annoyed but not too much as this is the first failure of any kind in 4 Glocks I have owned. Just thought I'd mention a heads up on this and will look for a more robust recoil assembly.

WalterGAII · February 18, 2000, 10:37 PM

Wolff!!!!

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Zensho · February 19, 2000, 01:30 PM

Thanks Walter. Went to the Wolff website and found the guide rod and recoil spring set, ordering next week. Sure glad I found this little problem at the range rather than..

robins · February 20, 2000, 08:27 PM

Had the EXACT same thing happen to my 27. I sent it back to Glock and got another, and so far, no problems. Still worries me, though.

Covert Mission · February 21, 2000, 03:36 AM

My niece, currently in a police academy, had the same thing happen to her off-duty 27. I've heard other similar stories with the 27.

I am selling my 27, not necessarily for this reason (but it would concern me if I had kept it). The Wolff spring/rod assy seems the way to go for the 27... the OEM unit not reliable.

Personally, I prefer the 19/23.

Red Bull · February 21, 2000, 07:24 AM

I got the steel captured guide rod on mine. It is very cheap insurance (actually it came with the gun!).

dvc · February 22, 2000, 12:56 AM

In the mini Glocks, its best to throw away the Glock OEM recoil spring/guide assembly and replace it with a Wolff non captured recoil spring/guide assembly.

Replacing the broken unit with another Glock OEM unit will result in the same thing happening later on down the road.

"But I don't want to use aftermarket parts in my Glock...its supposed to be perfect...I want to use Glock parts only!"

Well, when the Glock OEM unit fails during a life/death situation....

Tecolote · February 22, 2000, 01:58 AM

So much for Glock Perfection.

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So many pistols, so little money.

Coyote · February 22, 2000, 03:00 AM

This just happened to my glock 26. About 1500 rnds through it, no +P either. I've replaced it with a glockmeister unit for now. Hopefully that will take care of it.

-Pat

Zensho · February 22, 2000, 02:26 PM

Just ordered the Wolff recoil rod and springs. The nice lady who took the order mentioned that recoil rod failure in the G27s is common, Wolff sells many replacement units.

dvc · February 23, 2000, 04:04 PM

Recoil rod failure is common in the G27. The assembly is fragile to begin with.

Even the G30 is plagued by problems caused
by the recoil rod assembly. They dont break, but they do bend and cause functioning/ejection problems.

Alot of people sell off their Glock's because of this little quirk...then they curse Glock and call it junk. All they have to do is invest a measly $34 on the well designed Wolff guide rod and spring.

Its not the end of the world...

[This message has been edited by dvc (edited February 23, 2000).]

Coyote · February 26, 2000, 05:51 AM

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An LE teletype message has originated with the Brunswick (Maine) PD
regarding the simultaneous failure of the recoil springs on three (3)
Model 27s with which they had been training. The alert states that the
breaks occurred all with less than 200 rounds through the guns.

A call to GLOCK Inc. revealed that they had a recall on the recoil
springs in their sub-compact pistols shipped from 08/99 to 12/99. GLOCK
is sending out new recoil springs with a warranty to fix this problem.

- Dean Speir <[email protected]>
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John Hollister · February 27, 2000, 03:00 PM

The springs in a Glock pistol are the only parts not manufactured by Glock. Recently Glock received a batch of faulty G26/G27 recoil springs from thier subcontractor. The lip of the metal barrel that retains the outer spring shears off.

Most of the effected pistols went to the LE market according to my "G" source. The bad recoil spring assemblies fail very quickly, usually within the first hundred rounds.

The fix is as simple as replacing the assembly, which Glock will do for free.

No one's perfect ... not even Gaston.

John Hollister
Glock Armorer

Brasso · February 27, 2000, 08:29 PM

There is one sure way to break your stock glock recoil assembly. That is buy not putting it all the way down into what I call the cradle. The glock has two indentions cut where the rod rests against the barrel. If the rod is not seated in the proper one, the butt on the recoil rod will break. I have seen this happen a couple of occassions. It does exactly what happened to yours. Pay close attention in putting your glock back together.

February 18, 2000, 10:20 PM	#1
Zensho Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 1999 Location: Northern California Posts: 233	Was out at the range today with a buddy, shooting our Glocks. He had a 23, I had a 27 I just picked up new a month ago and am still testing for reliability. Today as I passed the 120 round mark on it, I noticed the slide did not return to battery. I field stripped it and found that the recoil spring containment assembly had failed. The flange on the sheetmetal collar that contains the larger spring had broken, allowing the spring to decompress and put the Glock 27 out of action. A little annoyed but not too much as this is the first failure of any kind in 4 Glocks I have owned. Just thought I'd mention a heads up on this and will look for a more robust recoil assembly.

February 18, 2000, 10:37 PM	#2
WalterGAII Junior member Join Date: November 7, 1999 Posts: 1,516	Wolff!!!! ------------------ Shoot to kill; they'll stop when they're dead!

February 19, 2000, 01:30 PM	#3
Zensho Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 1999 Location: Northern California Posts: 233	Thanks Walter. Went to the Wolff website and found the guide rod and recoil spring set, ordering next week. Sure glad I found this little problem at the range rather than..

February 20, 2000, 08:27 PM	#4
robins Member Join Date: November 19, 1998 Location: Crestwood, KY, USA Posts: 63	Had the EXACT same thing happen to my 27. I sent it back to Glock and got another, and so far, no problems. Still worries me, though.

February 21, 2000, 03:36 AM	#5
Covert Mission Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 1999 Location: West of the Pecos Posts: 671	My niece, currently in a police academy, had the same thing happen to her off-duty 27. I've heard other similar stories with the 27. I am selling my 27, not necessarily for this reason (but it would concern me if I had kept it). The Wolff spring/rod assy seems the way to go for the 27... the OEM unit not reliable. Personally, I prefer the 19/23.

February 21, 2000, 07:24 AM	#6
Red Bull Senior Member Join Date: August 18, 1999 Posts: 564	I got the steel captured guide rod on mine. It is very cheap insurance (actually it came with the gun!).

February 22, 2000, 12:56 AM	#7
dvc Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 387	In the mini Glocks, its best to throw away the Glock OEM recoil spring/guide assembly and replace it with a Wolff non captured recoil spring/guide assembly. Replacing the broken unit with another Glock OEM unit will result in the same thing happening later on down the road. "But I don't want to use aftermarket parts in my Glock...its supposed to be perfect...I want to use Glock parts only!" Well, when the Glock OEM unit fails during a life/death situation....

February 22, 2000, 01:58 AM	#8
Tecolote Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 1999 Posts: 1,999	So much for Glock Perfection. ------------------ So many pistols, so little money.

February 22, 2000, 03:00 AM	#9
Coyote Member Join Date: October 24, 1999 Location: Miami Posts: 18	This just happened to my glock 26. About 1500 rnds through it, no +P either. I've replaced it with a glockmeister unit for now. Hopefully that will take care of it. -Pat

February 22, 2000, 02:26 PM	#10
Zensho Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 1999 Location: Northern California Posts: 233	Just ordered the Wolff recoil rod and springs. The nice lady who took the order mentioned that recoil rod failure in the G27s is common, Wolff sells many replacement units.

February 23, 2000, 04:04 PM	#11
dvc Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Posts: 387	Recoil rod failure is common in the G27. The assembly is fragile to begin with. Even the G30 is plagued by problems caused by the recoil rod assembly. They dont break, but they do bend and cause functioning/ejection problems. Alot of people sell off their Glock's because of this little quirk...then they curse Glock and call it junk. All they have to do is invest a measly $34 on the well designed Wolff guide rod and spring. Its not the end of the world... [This message has been edited by dvc (edited February 23, 2000).]

February 26, 2000, 05:51 AM	#12
Coyote Member Join Date: October 24, 1999 Location: Miami Posts: 18	From rec.guns (today) Path: news3.mia!newsfeed.mia!newsfeed.atl!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!cs.umd.edu!gun-control From: "Dean Speir" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: Glock Small-Frame Recoil Springs Recall Date: 25 Feb 2000 20:54:59 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 21 Approved: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> NNTP-Posting-Host: xring.cs.umd.edu X-Trace: cronkite.cs.umd.edu 951530103 21407 128.8.128.179 (26 Feb 2000 01:55:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: [email protected] NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 01:55:03 GMT Xref: newsfeed.atl rec.guns:4251076 An LE teletype message has originated with the Brunswick (Maine) PD regarding the simultaneous failure of the recoil springs on three (3) Model 27s with which they had been training. The alert states that the breaks occurred all with less than 200 rounds through the guns. A call to GLOCK Inc. revealed that they had a recall on the recoil springs in their sub-compact pistols shipped from 08/99 to 12/99. GLOCK is sending out new recoil springs with a warranty to fix this problem. - Dean Speir <[email protected]> Industry Intelligencer / Firearms Fourth Estate =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It's not a perfect world... it's why we _have_ guns!

February 27, 2000, 03:00 PM	#13
John Hollister Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: Florida Posts: 37	The springs in a Glock pistol are the only parts not manufactured by Glock. Recently Glock received a batch of faulty G26/G27 recoil springs from thier subcontractor. The lip of the metal barrel that retains the outer spring shears off. Most of the effected pistols went to the LE market according to my "G" source. The bad recoil spring assemblies fail very quickly, usually within the first hundred rounds. The fix is as simple as replacing the assembly, which Glock will do for free. No one's perfect ... not even Gaston. John Hollister Glock Armorer

February 27, 2000, 08:29 PM	#14
Brasso Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 1999 Location: AL Posts: 472	There is one sure way to break your stock glock recoil assembly. That is buy not putting it all the way down into what I call the cradle. The glock has two indentions cut where the rod rests against the barrel. If the rod is not seated in the proper one, the butt on the recoil rod will break. I have seen this happen a couple of occassions. It does exactly what happened to yours. Pay close attention in putting your glock back together.