Well crud...

**Mike Irwin** · May 11, 2024, 08:02 AM

Walther popped an e-mail into my inbox yesterday, and it's causing me no little amount of interest and consternation...

The PPK and the PPK/s is once again being offered in...

.32 ACP.

The .32s have always been great favorites of mine. I have a passel of revolvers chambered in various .32 cartridges and two semi-autos chambered in .32 ACP.

I've always wanted a PP or a PPK in .32 ACP, but have never pulled the trigger on one.

I had, many years ago, a Mauser HSc in .32. Unfortunately it wasn't reliable, so I got rid of it. Even more unfortunately, at the time I wasn't knowledgeable enough to realize that it was probably the magazine that was causing all of the issues.

Now I'm thinking seriously about getting a PPK in .32.

And I just bought an S&W Model 16 in .32 Long.

Sigh.

Jim Watson · May 11, 2024, 08:11 AM

What with all the recent interest in .32 revolvers, I wondered if anybody was going to catch smart and bring back a .32 auto.

FrankenMauser · May 11, 2024, 11:09 AM

Beretta recently released the 30X and three new versions of the 'normal' Tomcat.

**JohnKSa** · May 11, 2024, 01:41 PM

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Now I'm thinking seriously about getting a PPK in .32.

That long 'tail' they put on the PPK pistols awhile back has been keeping me from getting one.

**Mike Irwin** · May 11, 2024, 03:45 PM

You mean the magazine finger extension?

I personally would like a PP, which is a little bit larger than the PPK, but the darned things are just impossible to find.

**JohnKSa** · May 11, 2024, 04:08 PM

No, the extended beavertail is what I'm talking about. It really bugs me.

zeke · May 11, 2024, 04:38 PM

Have a stainless Interarms PPK in 32 acp, and a Manurhin PP in 32 acp. Given the choice, would take the Manurhin for it's accuracy. Though the last time i looked, even stainless PPK's in 32 acp had become some what collectible.

hammie · May 11, 2024, 07:40 PM

Does anyone know if the new .32 ACP PPK/s and PPK's have aluminum or steel frames? My Smith and Wesson PPK/s, .380 ACP is all steel and weighs 23.7 ounces with an empty magazine. The weight specification for the new .32 ACP is 19 ounces. It makes me wonder if they're not aluminum. I would, kind of, prefer steel frames.

jar · May 11, 2024, 08:35 PM

I'm happy with my Manurhin PP in 7.65 but if someone offered me what they seem to want for the new ones I'd certainly have to let it go. Of the three German 32acp designs created leading up to WWII I really rate the PP, PPK at the bottom of the bunch with the JP Sauer 38h by far the best.

**Mike Irwin** · May 12, 2024, 07:53 AM

I'd LOVE to have a 38H, but I've not seen one for sale in decades. And the ones I've seen on line might well be made out of gold for what they're asking for them.

As for the frame material on the new PPK PPK/s guns, I can't find anything on the Walther site that says.

zeke · May 12, 2024, 10:28 AM

The only indication of an alloy frame is the weight difference between the PPK and PPKS. On the spec sheet the PPK is listed at 22.1 oz. The weight of the PPKS is listed at 19 oz.

The longer gripped pistol is listed as 3.1 oz lighter than the shorter gripped frame?

edited to correct weights

Metric · May 12, 2024, 01:39 PM

Oddly enough, I've never actually fired a PPK (though I have fired many related designs and near-clones). Based on the design and reputation, though, it really does look like .32 is the natural caliber for the platform. In .380, I would have to go with the P230, with a little more meat on the same basic bones.

**JohnKSa** · May 12, 2024, 06:22 PM

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The longer gripped pistol is listed as 3.1 oz lighter than the shorter gripped frame?

The PPK/S has the longer grip. It's the PP frame. The PPK/S is the PPK slide/barrel on the PP frame.

The PP and PPK/S have a solid steel backstrap and a grip that's longer than the PPK. Makes sense the PPK/S would be heavier than the PPK.

zeke · May 12, 2024, 06:58 PM

your right, i mixed up the id of longer grip frame. However Walther's spec sheet lists the longer grip frame at the lighter weight

https://cdn.amplifi.pattern.com/9207...1-ce6fdb18d141

**JohnKSa** · May 12, 2024, 09:03 PM

Dunno.

On the Walther website, the .380ACP PPK and PPK/S weights are listed as identical, but if you go to the manual, the PPK/S is shown as heavier. Kinda looks like they have trouble keeping their weights straight.

zeke · May 12, 2024, 10:17 PM

believe you'd be right. i didn't go to the end of the manual, just checked spec link.

**Mike Irwin** · May 13, 2024, 11:56 AM

URGH!

Someone is now dangling a Sauer 38H in front of me...

Decisions decisions!

Adventurer 2 · May 13, 2024, 01:41 PM

Hmmm, CRUD x 2 -- i have a couple hundred 32 ACP rounds but no 32 ACP pistol. Kind of hoping i don't see one of those PPKs in the wild.

Paul B. · May 13, 2024, 03:13 PM

"No, the extended beavertail is what I'm talking about. It really bugs me."

I haven't seen one of the late PP.PPK and PPK/s series but I can tell you my Manhurin PP .32ACP and my German .380 PPK/s will draw blood at the web between my thumb and trigger finger. That beavertail is probably to prevent that from happening.

One of my everyday carry pieces is a Colt Combat Commander .45 ACP and I replaces the stock grip safety with a beavertail type as it too would dig holes in the web of my hand.
Paul B.

**JohnKSa** · May 13, 2024, 11:34 PM

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That beavertail is probably to prevent that from happening.

Yup. I've been cut by my PPK. I'm still not happy with the look of the long tail on the new ones.

PzGren · May 14, 2024, 07:24 AM

I find the PP a little easier to hold and shoot and have been shooting one or another .22 l.r. PP for many decades.

And the 9mm Kurz for good measure

**JohnKSa** · May 15, 2024, 12:34 AM

That's a pretty gun. And that's how the beavertail is supposed to look!

May 11, 2024, 08:02 AM	#1
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,410	Well crud... Walther popped an e-mail into my inbox yesterday, and it's causing me no little amount of interest and consternation... The PPK and the PPK/s is once again being offered in... .32 ACP. The .32s have always been great favorites of mine. I have a passel of revolvers chambered in various .32 cartridges and two semi-autos chambered in .32 ACP. I've always wanted a PP or a PPK in .32 ACP, but have never pulled the trigger on one. I had, many years ago, a Mauser HSc in .32. Unfortunately it wasn't reliable, so I got rid of it. Even more unfortunately, at the time I wasn't knowledgeable enough to realize that it was probably the magazine that was causing all of the issues. Now I'm thinking seriously about getting a PPK in .32. And I just bought an S&W Model 16 in .32 Long. Sigh. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 11, 2024, 11:09 AM	#3
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,456	Beretta recently released the 30X and three new versions of the 'normal' Tomcat. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

May 11, 2024, 03:45 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,410	You mean the magazine finger extension? I personally would like a PP, which is a little bit larger than the PPK, but the darned things are just impossible to find. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 11, 2024, 04:08 PM	#6
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 25,048	No, the extended beavertail is what I'm talking about. It really bugs me. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

May 11, 2024, 08:35 PM	#9
jar Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2001 Location: Deep South Texas Posts: 1,683	I'm happy with my Manurhin PP in 7.65 but if someone offered me what they seem to want for the new ones I'd certainly have to let it go. Of the three German 32acp designs created leading up to WWII I really rate the PP, PPK at the bottom of the bunch with the JP Sauer 38h by far the best. __________________ To be vintage it's gotta be older than me!

May 11, 2024, 08:11 AM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,590	What with all the recent interest in .32 revolvers, I wondered if anybody was going to catch smart and bring back a .32 auto.

May 11, 2024, 04:38 PM	#7
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,676	Have a stainless Interarms PPK in 32 acp, and a Manurhin PP in 32 acp. Given the choice, would take the Manurhin for it's accuracy. Though the last time i looked, even stainless PPK's in 32 acp had become some what collectible.

May 11, 2024, 07:40 PM	#8
hammie Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Location: Temple, TX Posts: 963	Does anyone know if the new .32 ACP PPK/s and PPK's have aluminum or steel frames? My Smith and Wesson PPK/s, .380 ACP is all steel and weighs 23.7 ounces with an empty magazine. The weight specification for the new .32 ACP is 19 ounces. It makes me wonder if they're not aluminum. I would, kind of, prefer steel frames.

May 12, 2024, 07:53 AM	#10
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,410	I'd LOVE to have a 38H, but I've not seen one for sale in decades. And the ones I've seen on line might well be made out of gold for what they're asking for them. As for the frame material on the new PPK PPK/s guns, I can't find anything on the Walther site that says. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 12, 2024, 10:28 AM	#11
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,676	The only indication of an alloy frame is the weight difference between the PPK and PPKS. On the spec sheet the PPK is listed at 22.1 oz. The weight of the PPKS is listed at 19 oz. The longer gripped pistol is listed as 3.1 oz lighter than the shorter gripped frame? edited to correct weights Last edited by zeke; May 12, 2024 at 06:56 PM.

May 12, 2024, 01:39 PM	#12
Metric Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2016 Posts: 359	Oddly enough, I've never actually fired a PPK (though I have fired many related designs and near-clones). Based on the design and reputation, though, it really does look like .32 is the natural caliber for the platform. In .380, I would have to go with the P230, with a little more meat on the same basic bones.

May 12, 2024, 06:58 PM	#14
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,676	your right, i mixed up the id of longer grip frame. However Walther's spec sheet lists the longer grip frame at the lighter weight https://cdn.amplifi.pattern.com/9207...1-ce6fdb18d141

May 12, 2024, 09:03 PM	#15
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 25,048	Dunno. On the Walther website, the .380ACP PPK and PPK/S weights are listed as identical, but if you go to the manual, the PPK/S is shown as heavier. Kinda looks like they have trouble keeping their weights straight. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

May 12, 2024, 10:17 PM	#16
zeke Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 1999 Location: NW Wi Posts: 1,676	believe you'd be right. i didn't go to the end of the manual, just checked spec link.

May 13, 2024, 11:56 AM	#17
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,410	URGH! Someone is now dangling a Sauer 38H in front of me... Decisions decisions! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

May 13, 2024, 01:41 PM	#18
Adventurer 2 Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2006 Posts: 666	Hmmm, CRUD x 2 -- i have a couple hundred 32 ACP rounds but no 32 ACP pistol. Kind of hoping i don't see one of those PPKs in the wild.

May 13, 2024, 03:13 PM	#19
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,807	"No, the extended beavertail is what I'm talking about. It really bugs me." I haven't seen one of the late PP.PPK and PPK/s series but I can tell you my Manhurin PP .32ACP and my German .380 PPK/s will draw blood at the web between my thumb and trigger finger. That beavertail is probably to prevent that from happening. One of my everyday carry pieces is a Colt Combat Commander .45 ACP and I replaces the stock grip safety with a beavertail type as it too would dig holes in the web of my hand. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

May 14, 2024, 07:24 AM	#21
PzGren Senior Member Join Date: August 14, 2001 Posts: 1,264	I find the PP a little easier to hold and shoot and have been shooting one or another .22 l.r. PP for many decades. And the 9mm Kurz for good measure

May 15, 2024, 12:34 AM	#22
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 25,048	That's a pretty gun. And that's how the beavertail is supposed to look! __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?