Cheap Accurate Varmint Rifles

Death Dealer · September 8, 2009, 08:46 PM

Im looking for a cheap varmint rifle with a good action and something i can shoot long distance at prarie dogs. Not to worried about the stock because im putting a mcMillian on there. Any suggestions?

Death Dealer · September 8, 2009, 09:16 PM

im looking for cheap accurate varmint rifle something for long range prarie dog hunting. Not to worried about the stock im going to put a McMilian on it. Any suggestions.

EnoughGUN · September 8, 2009, 09:23 PM

savage .17hmr

SavageSniper · September 8, 2009, 09:37 PM

http://www.savagearms.com/12fv.htm
I have one and is byfar the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. You can get one under $500 with a Cheap Simmons scope mounted. Funny thing is, that rifle with the Simmons scope still shoots 1/2 MOA. Just haven't got around to putting a better scope on it

Death Dealer · September 8, 2009, 09:48 PM

Me too and i have a 10Fcp HS and shoots good. Check her out.002.jpg but im lookin for a differ brand.

Death Dealer · September 8, 2009, 09:50 PM

I have a savage but im lookin for something different and i need long range up to a 1000.

bhannah · September 8, 2009, 09:53 PM

Yea long range but I think the bullet is a little light for long range varmint work.

get a cheap .223,22-250 Stevens Model 200 250.00 ish..

plainsman456 · September 8, 2009, 10:18 PM

I got a HOWA last year in 223 and it shoots real fine,50gr-60gr bullets.It works well for p-dogs and coyotes and it don't cost a arm and a leg.Good Luck

Lavid2002 · September 8, 2009, 10:23 PM

you wana shoot a .223 at varmints 1000 yards away?

Lavid2002 · September 8, 2009, 10:30 PM

I have a 12fv in .308 win with a 16x Super sniper, leupold mk4 rings and a tactical base....hit it up its bangin!

bhannah · September 8, 2009, 10:34 PM

Who said anything about 1000 yards?
Could you even see a p-dog at 1000 yards?

BillCoe · September 8, 2009, 11:00 PM

"Cheap" and "im lookin for something different and i need long range up to a 1000." don't seem synonymous to me. That's 1000 yards? !!

I'm going to see what more experienced folks recommend and try to learn something. Good luck.

RNB65 · September 8, 2009, 11:12 PM

Cheap? Varmints? 1000yds?

No such critter.

impalacustom · September 9, 2009, 01:01 AM

6.5 x 284 Model 12 F Class Savage. Yes you can see prarie dogs at a 1000yds with high quality scopes and yes you can hit them if your lucky. I am not lucky though, lol.

I agree with others, you can't have a cheap 1000yd rifle and have it be accurate.

6.5-284 · September 9, 2009, 08:05 AM

At 1000 yards cheap and accurate don't go together.

FishEngineer · September 9, 2009, 08:16 AM

1000 yards and varmints (e.g. p-dogs) don't go together regardless of price. The best shooters in the world are shooting around 4" groups at that range.

L_Killkenny · September 9, 2009, 08:26 AM

Another unreal expectation. I suppose you want ammo to cost $.05 a round too.

Cheap and accurate cry Stevens, Savage and Weatherby Vangard. Ya want to stretch the range on PD's? Try a .243 or 7mm-08. But 1000 yards ain't gonna happen. More than likely with exceptations like yours you won't hit em at 50 feet either.

LK

fineredmist · September 9, 2009, 08:36 AM

Take it from someone who has been p-dog shooting for more than 10 years, you can shoot and hit at 100yds but it will not happen with a 223. If you want more information go to www.[URL="www.varminthunter.org"] to learn more about p-dog shooting. Just for your information, the longest witnessed kill on a p-dog was just over 3200 yds using a purpose built rifle. Shots in excess of 1000 yds are possible but you need the proper equipment, skill and a certain amount of good old fashioned luck.

TRguy · September 9, 2009, 08:46 AM

Savage isn't CHEAP!

Savage is economical. A deal. Savage guns have won the World Championship for rifle 4 years in a row. 14 medals this year alone at the World Championships in Great Britain.

I have a Model 11 .243 22" Heavy barrel with 11 degree target crown, accu trigger that will whip any super duper fancy most expensive target production rifle out there.

Don't come at me with your super tuned:barf:, bed block, 6Br that shoots holes in holes at 5 miles :barf:

Art Eatman · September 9, 2009, 09:19 AM

I've not had to try on prairie dogs beyond 300 yards, but my Ruger 77 Mk II light sporter has worked just fine, so far. Half-MOA from my benchrest.

hogdogs · September 9, 2009, 09:22 AM

It only takes a second to straighten up the floor before a pic

Icky dirty socks:barf:
Brent

rezmedic54 · September 9, 2009, 10:23 AM

You might want to look at the 6.5 X 47 new round developed for the Marine Corp. Suppose to be good out to 1000 yds. and better. But their shooting at a man size target at that distance. Not saying it can't be done but sure does take a lot of practice and dedication to be able to shoot and hit at the kind of distance your talking about.

Flatbush Harry · September 9, 2009, 11:07 AM

1/2MOA @ 1000yds = 5.25"; average p-dog < 5.25" wide

Cheap rifle in McMillan stock probably not 1/2MOA

Original question ok, modifications make it silly.

Jus' sayin'

FH

garryc · September 9, 2009, 11:11 AM

Wait a minute, you want to spend bucks on a McMilian stock but not on action and barrel? Seems odd to me. I suppose you want to do it with a 4x Tasco. Dude, 1000 yards is a whole nuther gig. With and rifle and scope combination you are going to need a 15-20 MOA base, that will likely prevent shots closer than 200 yards because your scope will not have the adjustment ranges to go down that far. Lets understand that from a 100 yard zero your bullet drop could be as much as 30 FEET!.

Then there is the bullet and round. Many of the rounds fall below the sonic barrier before 1000 yards, that's bad ju-ju. Then you have to deal with the humanity of shooting a critter that far, very likely to wound. That bullet will not expand that slow. I've picked up dozens of heavy 223 bullets off the 1000 bunker, they look like they could be loaded again. Those bullets are built to expand within a given range of speed and yours will be far below that. A wounder.

Now to toss gas on the fire. No one has ever been able to validate with any reasonable argument why it would be less un-ethical to wound a varmint than say a trophy elk. Philosophically, no difference.

Brian Pfleuger · September 9, 2009, 11:23 AM

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No one has ever been able to validate with any reasonable argument why it would be less un-ethical to wound a varmint than say a trophy elk. Philosophically, no difference.

One reason being that a 223 is not likely to wound a prairie dog. Yes, it might be 5 minutes to death instead of instant but a 223 hole in a P-dog is 99.9% fatal. Same for about any rifle, Hit p-dog equals dead p-dog.

Besides that, a "cheap" rifle in the hands of even an above average shooter making 1000 yard shots at p-dog is not a wounding hazard. Unless you count the ones that aren't actually be shot at. They're probably in more danger than the actual target. I've seen guys miss woodchucks at 400 yards by 3 feet and a chuck is twice the size of a p-dog, if not more.

September 8, 2009, 08:46 PM	#1
Death Dealer Member Join Date: September 8, 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Posts: 18	Cheap Accurate Varmint Rifles Im looking for a cheap varmint rifle with a good action and something i can shoot long distance at prarie dogs. Not to worried about the stock because im putting a mcMillian on there. Any suggestions?

September 8, 2009, 09:16 PM	#2
Death Dealer Member Join Date: September 8, 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Posts: 18	Cheap Accurate Varmint Rifles im looking for cheap accurate varmint rifle something for long range prarie dog hunting. Not to worried about the stock im going to put a McMilian on it. Any suggestions.

September 8, 2009, 09:23 PM	#3
EnoughGUN Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2009 Posts: 538	savage .17hmr __________________ GLOCK Austrian for Lemming

September 8, 2009, 09:37 PM	#4
SavageSniper Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2005 Location: Crawfordville, FL Posts: 494	http://www.savagearms.com/12fv.htm I have one and is byfar the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. You can get one under $500 with a Cheap Simmons scope mounted. Funny thing is, that rifle with the Simmons scope still shoots 1/2 MOA. Just haven't got around to putting a better scope on it __________________ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights!

September 8, 2009, 09:53 PM	#7
bhannah Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Posts: 188	.17 hmr? Yea long range but I think the bullet is a little light for long range varmint work. get a cheap .223,22-250 Stevens Model 200 250.00 ish..

September 8, 2009, 09:48 PM	#5
Death Dealer Member Join Date: September 8, 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Posts: 18	Me too and i have a 10Fcp HS and shoots good. Check her out.002.jpg but im lookin for a differ brand.

September 8, 2009, 09:50 PM	#6
Death Dealer Member Join Date: September 8, 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Posts: 18	I have a savage but im lookin for something different and i need long range up to a 1000.

September 8, 2009, 10:18 PM	#8
plainsman456 Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2008 Posts: 260	I got a HOWA last year in 223 and it shoots real fine,50gr-60gr bullets.It works well for p-dogs and coyotes and it don't cost a arm and a leg.Good Luck

September 8, 2009, 10:23 PM	#9
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	you wana shoot a .223 at varmints 1000 yards away? __________________ Math>Grammar

September 8, 2009, 10:30 PM	#10
Lavid2002 Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2007 Posts: 2,568	I have a 12fv in .308 win with a 16x Super sniper, leupold mk4 rings and a tactical base....hit it up its bangin! __________________ Math>Grammar

September 8, 2009, 10:34 PM	#11
bhannah Senior Member Join Date: March 31, 2008 Posts: 188	Who said anything about 1000 yards? Could you even see a p-dog at 1000 yards?

September 8, 2009, 11:00 PM	#12
BillCoe Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2008 Posts: 121	"Cheap" and "im lookin for something different and i need long range up to a 1000." don't seem synonymous to me. That's 1000 yards? !! I'm going to see what more experienced folks recommend and try to learn something. Good luck.

September 8, 2009, 11:12 PM	#13
RNB65 Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 167	Cheap? Varmints? 1000yds? No such critter. __________________ THR refugee.

September 9, 2009, 01:01 AM	#14
impalacustom Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2009 Posts: 492	6.5 x 284 Model 12 F Class Savage. Yes you can see prarie dogs at a 1000yds with high quality scopes and yes you can hit them if your lucky. I am not lucky though, lol. I agree with others, you can't have a cheap 1000yd rifle and have it be accurate.

September 9, 2009, 08:05 AM	#15
6.5-284 Junior Member Join Date: September 4, 2009 Location: Delta Colorado Posts: 3	At 1000 yards cheap and accurate don't go together.

September 9, 2009, 08:16 AM	#16
FishEngineer Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 102	1000 yards and varmints (e.g. p-dogs) don't go together regardless of price. The best shooters in the world are shooting around 4" groups at that range.

September 9, 2009, 08:26 AM	#17
L_Killkenny Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,676	Another unreal expectation. I suppose you want ammo to cost $.05 a round too. Cheap and accurate cry Stevens, Savage and Weatherby Vangard. Ya want to stretch the range on PD's? Try a .243 or 7mm-08. But 1000 yards ain't gonna happen. More than likely with exceptations like yours you won't hit em at 50 feet either. LK

September 9, 2009, 08:36 AM	#18
fineredmist Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2008 Location: Wethersfield, ct Posts: 128	Take it from someone who has been p-dog shooting for more than 10 years, you can shoot and hit at 100yds but it will not happen with a 223. If you want more information go to www.[URL="www.varminthunter.org"] to learn more about p-dog shooting. Just for your information, the longest witnessed kill on a p-dog was just over 3200 yds using a purpose built rifle. Shots in excess of 1000 yds are possible but you need the proper equipment, skill and a certain amount of good old fashioned luck.

September 9, 2009, 08:46 AM	#19
TRguy Senior Member Join Date: July 15, 2008 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 682	Savage isn't CHEAP! Savage is economical. A deal. Savage guns have won the World Championship for rifle 4 years in a row. 14 medals this year alone at the World Championships in Great Britain. I have a Model 11 .243 22" Heavy barrel with 11 degree target crown, accu trigger that will whip any super duper fancy most expensive target production rifle out there. Don't come at me with your super tuned:barf:, bed block, 6Br that shoots holes in holes at 5 miles :barf: __________________ Two is One, One is None

September 9, 2009, 09:19 AM	#20
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	I've not had to try on prairie dogs beyond 300 yards, but my Ruger 77 Mk II light sporter has worked just fine, so far. Half-MOA from my benchrest.

September 9, 2009, 09:22 AM	#21
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	It only takes a second to straighten up the floor before a pic Icky dirty socks:barf: Brent

September 9, 2009, 10:23 AM	#22
rezmedic54 Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 288	Way out There You might want to look at the 6.5 X 47 new round developed for the Marine Corp. Suppose to be good out to 1000 yds. and better. But their shooting at a man size target at that distance. Not saying it can't be done but sure does take a lot of practice and dedication to be able to shoot and hit at the kind of distance your talking about. __________________ Kurt Pietrzak Maricopa Shooting Service S.W.A.T. South West Airsoft Tactical CCW Instrutor NRA Certified Instructor Gunsmith Maricopa ,Az. http:www.maricopashooting.com

September 9, 2009, 11:07 AM	#23
Flatbush Harry Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2008 Posts: 417	1/2MOA @ 1000yds = 5.25"; average p-dog < 5.25" wide Cheap rifle in McMillan stock probably not 1/2MOA Original question ok, modifications make it silly. Jus' sayin' FH

September 9, 2009, 11:11 AM	#24
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	Wait a minute, you want to spend bucks on a McMilian stock but not on action and barrel? Seems odd to me. I suppose you want to do it with a 4x Tasco. Dude, 1000 yards is a whole nuther gig. With and rifle and scope combination you are going to need a 15-20 MOA base, that will likely prevent shots closer than 200 yards because your scope will not have the adjustment ranges to go down that far. Lets understand that from a 100 yard zero your bullet drop could be as much as 30 FEET!. Then there is the bullet and round. Many of the rounds fall below the sonic barrier before 1000 yards, that's bad ju-ju. Then you have to deal with the humanity of shooting a critter that far, very likely to wound. That bullet will not expand that slow. I've picked up dozens of heavy 223 bullets off the 1000 bunker, they look like they could be loaded again. Those bullets are built to expand within a given range of speed and yours will be far below that. A wounder. Now to toss gas on the fire. No one has ever been able to validate with any reasonable argument why it would be less un-ethical to wound a varmint than say a trophy elk. Philosophically, no difference.