Occupied Aztlan

[nemesis]

Greetings from occupied Aztlan!

I have read a number of threads in this forum, and others, relating to concerns over illegal immigrants and alleigance to foreign powers. Many good natured souls rushed to attack the (presumed) racist bigots who would post such drivel. Unfortunately, those people did not understand, nor did they have first hand knowledge of the subject; although there were many uninformed commentators who replied. Regretfullly, there were moderators who leaped in to defend the unwashed masses without being able to assess the first hand impact of being awash in illegal aliens who believe that this is actually their country and who have no use, interest nor alleigance for America. Please allow a moment to hunker down into my spider hole before releasing the artillery.

Here, in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, it is often said we are not "really" part of America but not "actually" part of Mexico. The Immigration checkpoint is 65 miles up the road.

The ethnic mix is solidly 90% Hispanic, 8.5 % Anglo/Caucasian and 1.5% of everyone else. The number of illegal aliens in the Valley could number in the hundreds of thousands but there is no sure way to tell. Countless others were illegal but have become legal through amnesties or they are legal but born of illegal parents.

Even people born here have strong feelings for "the old country" and there is a tangible sympathy for Mexico and Mexicans. Law enforcement officers do not stop illegals from driving here, and living here, with tags no longer in use in Mexico, no State Test or insurance. We know, they know but.......what the heck.

We have traditionally had the highest unemployment in the State and still do. On the other hand, numerous businesses; almost all owned by Hispanics; have marched to success by hiring illegals exclusively. They demand long hours, offer no benefits and can replace non-complying workers with more illegals who are standing in line.

The number of American flags being flown, and there are many, are counterbalanced by the vast number of Mexican flags. Countless automobiles have their front tags replaced by Mexican Flag tags. Numerous vehicles are displaying "Puro Mexicano" bumper stickers or others saying "Viva Mexico". I say let's all be proud of our heritage but, if you place another country above this one; perhaps you need to return to the other one where you will find fulfillment.

English is spoken by many people here, but not all. Possibly 40%, maybe more, speak no English whatsoever. Many who speak English at work choose Spanish as their language of choice and use English only when necessary. This includes the middle class and top earners too.

There is a pervasive feeling against "Gringos". Many people, almost all older, remind me that they were punished, often severely, if caught speaking Spanish on the school campus when they were children. The fact that I had nothing to do with that is immaterial. The backlash remains but the tide has turned.

The Spanish-speaking majority, formerly ruled by the English-speaking minority, have turned the tables and are now; as a majority; solidly in control of the economy.

Don't expect equal opportunity rights to be extended to you if you happen to be "Anglo". You will be reminded, often rudely, that "they" are a minority group and must have certain preferences extended to them to offer a level playing field. An interesting viewpoint when you hold down 9 places out of 10.

Few jobs are open to English monolinguists. Almost all job openings demand "bilingual" applicants. Of course, "bilingual" is a debatable qualification as many of the "bilingual" applicants accepted are extremely limited in their ability to communicate in English. Maybe I could adequately define "bilingual" as fluent in Spanish, with some English. I think that explains it well.

You know, I support the concept of being bilingual; I'm fairly proud of my "pocho" Spanish and I can make myself well understood although it's not pretty to listen to. I don't think the language of the parents should languish and die; it should be continued. We need, however, only to look at other countries who are not unified by a single language; and Canada is an excellent example; to see how we can decline as a nation if we are not capable of speaking a uniform language and sharing our interests. English has become the universal language of aviation and it seems to be the world's choice for business too.

My firm offers storage space for many small businesses and it is a common daily occurrence to receive parcels and packages on behalf of our clients. We receive deliveries from all of the parcel services.

The other day, the Fed-Ex driver arrived with a new driver with him to learn the route. I introduced myself and told him I was looking forward to working with him but it didn't mean a thing.

He doesn't speak a word of English

Gotta go. I can hear the first rounds incoming now.

[Standing Wolf]

I'm leaving the People's Republic of California later this month to return to the United States for three primary reasons:

1. I've lost far too large a portion of my civil rights.
2. I'm sick and tired of being heavily taxed to support socialist causes.
3. I'm sick and tired of having to tolerate and pick up the tab for millions upon millions of illegal aliens.

I'm most emphatically not anti-immigrant in any way, shape, or form, although on my mother's mother's side of the family, people have been complaining about recent arrivals for the past 14,000 years or so. Immigration is a good thing, one of the hallmarks of America, and the day we close the doors is the day we can no longer claim to be the best country of all.

I'm whole-heartedly opposed to illegal aliens and our government's tacit approval of the invasion of illegal aliens. Leftists never tire of trying to explain that they supply so-called "cheap labor," but that's only a small part of the equation. So-called "cheap labor" doesn't count the costs of educating their children, proving welfare checks, proving food stamps, providing jail and prison cells, providing legal aid, providing discounted college tuition, plus the additional costs to citizens of increased crime, voting by illegal aliens, illegal aliens driving without insurance, taxes not paid, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I can certainly understand why half of Latin America wants to show up, uninvited and unannounced, in the United States, and stay here ad infinitum. You couldn't pay me to live in any part of Latin America myself. None of that makes me even remotely willing to continue to live in the social, moral, intellectual, and political cesspool the People's Republic of California has become. Illegal aliens are by no means the only factor in the P.R.C.'s degeneration, of course, but they're every bit as harmful to America's peace, prosperity, freedom, and very existence as extreme leftists and Islamic terrorist savages.

I live in little India in Silicon Valley. The males usually speak more or less intelligible English--they're programmers, after all--and the women and children tend to be polite, clean, orderly, and visibly concerned for one another. These people don't drive cars with 8,000-Watt stereos. They don't commit burglary. They're not on welfare. They don't buy groceries with food stamps. They don't require visits by the local constabulary every week. They pay taxes. They make car payments. Several of them have made it clear they'd do anything to remain in the United States, and the day anyone receives a green card is party day--but the parties are relatively quiet, and rarely last past 10:30 or 11:00 p.m.. Have I mentioned they're all here legally?

Half or three quarters of a mile down the road is one of Silicon Valley's numerous little Mexicos. It's at the far end of the spectrum from little India. I wouldn't get out of my car there even if the People's Republic of California recognized my Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. According to a law enforcement officer I'm acquainted with, illegal aliens from Latin America constitute about 20% of his suburb's population, but account for at least 75% of the trouble calls his department responds to. He said he has no legal authority to arrest people for being illegal aliens, even though they're felons.

People's Republic of California is already well on its way toward Latin-style so-called "gun control," and doubtless will close the gap in a few years. Freedom of speech and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure have taken serious hits here: the extreme leftists are counting on the full support of millions upon millions of illegal aliens in their program to turn the state into a third world hell hole--as well, of course, as the support of the tax dollars I've handed over year after year.

Enough is enough!

[KSFreeman]

Danger, danger, my hooks are flailing wildly!

I have a similiar horrific experience. I had lunch at the Elks club last weekend and saw no less than three vehicles with Shamrocks and two with St. Andrews or the Red Lion on their front license plate and one Dutchland sparrow. Will these horrors ever abate?

Before 1917 a third of Indiana spoke little or no English. English wasn't even the language of instruction in many schools. Horrors!

If illegal immigration is a drain on the welfare state of Tejas, why don't you simply abolish the welfare state or simply enforce the current immigration statutes?

Relax, nem, America has always been "awash" in illegal immigrants. Chinese, Jewish, Italian, Irish, German, etc, et al. Look at the hatred that was spewed at any of those. They turned out just fine. The new immigrants will be just fine as well. Now, for the welfare state . . . .

[Libertarian]

You need to check out Ranch Rescue if you want to help out on the border.

[Russ Howard]

Illegal aliens are criminals whether they're from Mexico, Europe, or anywhere else. Their first act of "citizenship" is to defecate on our rights and laws. Hence there's a very good likelihood they will NOT turn out just fine.

But it's even worse in this case: Our PC tolerance for the contempt of a particular ethnic group is encouraging that contempt to grow far beyond what it would be in a saner system.

In a saner system, the occasional illegal immigrant would not be entitled to a special PC exemption. They might at least be expected to keep a low profile and behave even better than the typical citizen, not because they're inherently a good choice for a new citizen, but because they're afraid of getting caught.

Given that PC exemption, which is effectively racist discrimination IN FAVOR of Latin Americans and Mexicans in particular, nem's experience is predictable and will become widespread.

The open-border Pollyannas are encouraging a group contempt; a contemptuous, racist, anti-American movement mentality among illegal aliens.

We will all pay the price for their idiocy, and this issue is but a small part of the overall price.

Imagine America with a population of a billion, or two, or three. That's how many would come if the Pollyannas had their wish to open the borders.

[Must've been sleepy. Edited for clarification.]

[nemesis]

KSFreeman,

May I, most respectfully, suggest that your reading comprehension may benefit from a further perusal of the above thread. Nothing was said against immigration, specifically legal immigration, by persons actually wanting to be here and be part of this great country. Nor was anything negative mentioned of being proud of ones heritage. The point of concern is people entering this country illegally, bringing their own values instead of accepting ours and having their first alleigance to their homeland, rather than their chosen home.

My knowledge of geography suggests that Indiana may not be a southern border state, although I acknowledge that many immigrants reside there, and that your experience does not necessarily parallel that of those of us who deal with this on a daily basis.

You may be unaware but immigration and the control of the nations boundaries is a Federal responsibility and is not under the jurisdiction of the Great State of Tejas.

Libertarian,

Thank you for your gracious response. I respect the fact that this issue may be a very personal one for as, I understand, you are an American with a proud Mexican ancestry.

I am aware of Ranch Rescue and have spoken with them. Regretfully, the overrun ranchers, and my Hispanic friends amongst them, are outnumbered by the La Union (United Farmworkers Union) supporters and others who applaud and support illegal immigration. The numbers of persons here willing to aid and abet illegal immigrants is enormous and the (former) Law Enforcement Officers, Immigration Officers and Border Patrol Officers who have been discovered, tried and convicted of assisting illegals is a testimony to the fact that "blood is thicker than water". A few bucks thrown into the pot just sweetens the deal that much more.

This is a very real issue for Border dwellers. However, it seems that much of the rest of the nation is much more prone to making unqualified emotional responses.

How about some comments from the Border States?

[Solitar]

All we ask is that immigrants do their best to become Americans as soon as they can. This does not mean living here for decades and still not speaking or acting like Americans and thus requiring courts, schools, etc. to accomodate to these resident aliens rather than they accomodating to us.

Recommended Reading:
Assimilation, American Style by Peter Salins.

[nemesis]

The following commentaries are book reviews of the aformentioned "Assimilation: American Style".

It makes for interesting reading, particularly the last paragraph.

From Kirkus Reviews
A thorough and convincing examination of assimilation in America: how it worked in the past, why it is necessary for the survival of the nation, and what to do about the recent and ominous assault on it. The author (Urban Affairs/Hunter Coll.), a former editor of City Journal, is moved to defend assimilation against sustained attacks by a host of enemies: right-wing nativists; universities that have bred dogmas concerning multiculturalism; foundations like Ford and Carnegie that have funded organizations that advocate what Salins calls ethnic federalism; and proponents of bilingual education. Most of these influential groups now see the survival of ethnic cultures in America's midst as clear evidence that assimilation is a myth, and are engaged in constructing a pervasive institutional enterprise that subsidizes and mandates ethnic consciousness and focuses on ethnic grievances. These groups are making ethnicity a core part of American life, when our collective happiness, Salins argues, depends on ethnicity being insignificant. Salins worries that this could lead us down the same disastrous path as Bosnia, Rwanda, and other fragmenting multiethnic countries. The author is superb in defining what constitutes assimilation: adopting common beliefs like the Protestant work ethic, a shared spoken language, and schools that serve as crucibles for a people with a shared culture. He also deftly explodes several myths about immigration. Past waves of immigrants, for instance, never surrendered their heritage and continued to speak their native tongue in their neighborhoods. Assimilation, he argues, is a gradual process and doesn't necessitate abandoning one's ethnic identity at the door. In fact, America draws strength from these distinctions. Problems arise when ethnic identity becomes stronger than an individual's allegiance to the US. While Salins's argument is essentially a conservative one, his book is pragmatic and solid, and should convince many of the value and continuing importance of assimilation. -- Copyright ?1996, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved.

Book Description
The past few years have witnessed an intensification of anti-immigration sentiment in America. In 1994 can the passage of California's Proposition 187, which cut off state benefits to illegal immigrants. The following year saw heated debates in Congress over limiting the number of people allowed entry into the United States. And in the summer of 1996, President Clinton signed a welfare reform bill that for the first time restricted the rights of legal immigrants as well as undocumented aliens. At the same time, many prominent public figures took the position that immigrants are undermining the social fabric of our country, bringing with them strange customs and foreign ways that will destroy the essential nature of the United States. There was even talk of emending the Constitution to deny automatic citizenship to native-born children of immigrants. Where once America opened its golden door, that door now seems to be closing.

Lost in the midst of the acrimony is what actually happens to immigrant once they arrive and settle here, a story that is told in Assimilation, American Style. Peter D. Salins, himself a child of immigrants and a leading scholar of urban affairs, makes a powerful case that, at a time when the immigrant population of the United States is growing larger and more diverse, the nation must rededicate itself to its historic mission of assimilating immigrants of all ethnic backgrounds. Reviewing the history of assimilation, he reveals how successive immigrant populations have become Americanized, despite being considered "alien" in their time--notably, the Germans, Irish, Italians, and Jews--and how assimilation continues to work among Hispanics and Asians today. America's vitality as a nation, Salins argues, depends on its being as successful in assimilating its newest immigrants as it was in integrating earlier immigrant groups.

Salins advances our understanding of assimilation in two important ways. He convincingly shows how America's unique social compact of assimilation has permitted immigrants and their descendants to hold on to their ethnic tradition even as they acquire an American identity. He also documents the dire ramifications of our retreat from the ideal of assimilation in recent decades, countering the multiculturalists who ask ethnic Americans to reject assimilation in favor of ethnic separatism, and the nativists who reject further immigration altogether. It is America's unique paradigm of assimilation, Salins argues, that has enabled it to maintain national unity alongside unparalleled ethnic discord found in places like Canada, Germany, and France--let alone the ethnic warfare to Bosnia or Rwanda. Unless America revives its commitment to assimilation, he concludes, its risks undermining the foundations of its prosperity, social cohesion, and national civic culture.

[Libertarian]

Yes, I am of Mexican desent on my mother's side. They've mostly been here since before the Republic of Texas and stayed because this was their home. They all learned English and most of them are very successful. I do have a few cousins who are supporters of the Aztlan movement. It makes for interesting family get togethers. Most of my family is very anti-mojado.

On my father's side; his father's mother was one of the Hoosiers KSFreeman spoke about whose family had to learn English when they came over from Germany some time in the 1800's. There are still quite a few Nagels in the Salem area. Those that I've met all spoke English and consider themselves Americans first. Not that I've had to ask. Most are veterns of WWII, Korea and Vietnam and would kick my butt if I made them think I doubted their patriotism (unlike the Aztlan crowd who'd kick my butt if I said that English should be our national language).

All said (and I've said it before), I respect my ancestry but consider myself a citizen of the USA first, last and always.

[KSFreeman]

nem, nope, while the federal government has plenary power over immigration policy, federal law enforcement is everyone's business. See 18 U.S.C. § 4. Seems y'all need to enforce the law.

Yes, there was plenty mentioned about being proud of Mexican heritage whether by flags or by bumper sticker. Plenty of people with lighter colored eyes do the same.

"Imposing their values" was the argument against the illegal immigration of the Chinese. After `06 and the "paper sons" these "illegals" turned out to be just fine. "Imposing their values" was the argument against the legal and illegal immigration of the Italians. Today, the most conservative member of the federal Supreme Court bears the surname of Scalia. And, of course, "imposing their values" was the rallying cry of the Klan when it ran the state of Indiana to suppress the Catholics of the northern industrial cities of Lafayette, Elkhart, or South Bend.

After April, 1917, many German language schools became English language schools. German was abolished to the Old Order Amish and foreign language department. Weber became Waybur. Victory cabbage and the like replaced German dishes.

Americans of German descent served their nation well. Americans of Mexican descent served their nation well.

We always have this storm and fury over "THEY" are taking over. No, they are not. Politicians, whether they are "Big Tim" Sullivan or others, capitalize on this silly hysteria and move to destroy our freedoms.

[Mike Irwin]

I've got a Pendragon on my car. Does that count?

Wales is occupied by Great Britain, and has been since the 12th century...

[Blackhawk]

Occupied Aztlan.

Yes.

Is there a problem?

[Selfdfenz]

Per KS,
"If illegal immigration is a drain on the welfare state of Tejas, why don't you simply abolish the welfare state or simply enforce the current immigration statutes?"

Not a bad idea, there's just that sticky matter of federal law and as far as I know citizens of the state of TEXAS (not Tejas) are not empowered, legally or otherwise, to end the welfare state or enforce the laws governing illegal border crossings. The illegals shoot at INS agents these days in case you have not heard.

At the rate illegal aliens from South America are pouring into Texas and California, your state and state taxpayers will have the joy of experiencing all this in the very near future.
Call your school board and find out how many foreign languages the system is currently supporting and how many visitors to your local emergency rooms cannot speak any English and get back to us. I bet you will be surprised but I bet I can top your numbers.

No flame intended KSFreeman, its just that in not living the "neighborhood" I wonder if most Americans citizens can grasp the scale of the issue and what is headed their way.

I've been to NYC many times over the years, been to the towers before they came down, had friends w/i blocks of there on 9-11 (NYPD no less). I would't begin to tell any of them what it was like up there on 9-11.

Come on down for about a one year visit to Texas and see for yourself if what we say is not correct.
Take care,
S-

[paratrooper]

Even the commie pinko Sierra Club realizes that immigration (especially illegal) will kill this country . Trouble is that they don't have the ball$ to say it publicly . They are afraid of losing their commie and bed-wetting liberal donations .


The Sierra Club and the Immigration Freight Train
By JAMES RICCI
As an astronomer who studies how stars develop over tens of millions of years, Ben Zuckerman instinctively takes the long view. What he sees in regard to future U.S. population numbers troubles his environmentalist's heart: As many as a billion people on the American landscape by 2100, as many as 100 million in California, courtesy of liberal immigration policies.

Zuckerman, a 58-year-old UCLA professor given to running shoes and organic rice cakes, believes environmentalists should be loudly demanding curbs on legal immigration and an end to illegal immigration, which are fueling the country's surging population growth. The influential Sierra Club, to which he has belonged for more than three decades, ought to be especially vocal on the matter, he thinks.

Zuckerman's views conflict directly with the club's official neutrality on immigration reform. Nonetheless, he recently was elected to the club's board of directors with the most votes, 36,383, among the five successful candidates, despite not being anointed by the organization's nominating committee. His victory, he says, is a vindication of keen-eyed Sierrans who see that "the No. 1 environmental problem--and it's not even close--is overpopulation. A billion Americans is a disaster. I don't know how my colleagues in the Sierra Club can save species and wetlands and so on when there are a billion Americans."

At the time of the first Earth Day celebration in 1970, with American fertility rates reaching replacement levels, environmentalists foresaw the U.S. population being stabilized within a single generation.

Then the immigration freight train came roaring down the track. By the time it barreled through the 1990s, it had quadrupled traditional figures for legal immigration, which has reached 1 million-plus per year. Illegal immigration is estimated to be an additional 200,000 to 500,000 annually. From 1990 to 2000, the U.S. population swelled by 13%, its largest 10-year increase ever (in the rest of the developed world, population grew by 2.5%). According to government demographers, immigration and immigrant fertility accounted for about 70% of the national increase, and 90% of California's.

Throughout the 1970s and '80s, the Sierra Club supported immigration curbs. In the 1990s, however, the club's leadership grew shy of the issue as it waxed in controversy. In 1998, Sierrans for U.S. Population Stabilization, a group co-founded by Zuckerman, forced a club referendum on the matter. The leadership pushed for neutrality, Zuckerman's faction for support of immigration curbs. The leadership's position won, but Zuckerman faction's received 40% of the vote.

Now the club's official posture is to focus on global, as opposed to U.S., population stabilization and to work for improved conditions in immigrant-producing countries.

What really motivates the club leadership, Zuckerman says, is fear. Fear of being called racist. Fear of losing minority-group members and fear of forfeiting financial support from big business and foundations.

Pro-immigration forces--including Latino politicians, the AFL-CIO and corporations, which covet both cheap labor and more consumers--are quick to swing the racism bludgeon. Zuckerman, a lifelong liberal and civil rights advocate, has borne such accusations painfully. "But the average person is overwhelmingly in favor of reduced legal immigration and an end to illegal immigration, and this cuts across every racial line," he says. "How can it be racist to agree with a majority of every ethnic and racial group in the country?"

The Sierra Club's timidity on the issue muddies its integrity. (How, he asks, can the club rail against polluters for breaking environmental laws but keep silent about immigrants who break immigration laws?) To save itself, he says, it must refocus on protecting the American environment and opposing growth for growth's sake, which he calls "the ideology of a cancer cell." Emboldened by Zuckerman's victory, more Sierrans of his persuasion are certain to run in next year's annual election for five of the 15 board seats.

The Sierra Club is headquartered in San Francisco. Presumedly, the people who run it have to commute every day through the congestion of the Bay Area. I have to wonder, do they ever ponder the discomfort of it? Do they really imagine, with residential development devouring space and wildlife habitat from San Diego to Sacramento, that natural California can survive the 50 million residents that demographers are projecting for 2025, much less the 100 million that could be living here by the end of the century if current patterns hold?

Bruce Hamilton, the Sierra Club's national conservation director, says the organization remains committed to its long-standing goal of population stabilization. It just takes a global approach now rather than a national one. Immigration to the U.S. will dwindle, the club believes, when conditions in immigrant-producing countries no longer compel people to leave home.

Or, I might point out, when conditions here become equally bad, the swollen masses just as poor, the environment just as degraded

[Solitar]

A fundamental premise that several here make agrees with Salins and Peter Brimelow too. We can handle some immigration but the high percentages and the lack of assimilation, American style, is threatening to tear this nation and its foundations apart.

In reading Salins' book, I have to differ with him regarding his view of another important book on the matter. Alien Nation, by Peter Brimelow was far more accurate and is becoming even more accurate than pro-immigration and pro-ethnic separatists will admit.

I too am a son of immigrants--from Prussia, Switzerland, and England. Some fled war and oppression and some came here for the better economic future. BUT my ancestors went to great efforts to make sure their children and grandchildren became Americans first. Yes, the original immigrants spoke German--but their children did not. Several of their children (my grandparents and grand uncles and aunts and my parents were WWI and WWII veterans or workers for the war effort. The entire family trees on both sides were Americans first.

One of the threats posed by recent immigration is the failure of most(?) recent immigrants to support the American Bill of Rights, including the RKBA. OTOH, some are more patiotic Americans than many generations-long natives. My grandparents were emphatic supporters of the entire Bill of Rights. They owned guns, hunted, and went to war to defend these rights. Can the same be said of the waves of immigrants we are dealing with now?

[clem]

Since 1753, when my ancestor was deported to America, we've been Americans.
To hell with where we came from or why. We are Americans.
We've fought and died in wars to help defend this country. We are Americans.
We've forgot our native language and learned a foreign one (English). We are Americans.
We gave up the "OLD WAYS" generations ago, we are Americans.

To those who don't want to be Americans but just want to be frigging parasites,------------ leave.


So say it, just like the advertisement on television, "I am an American".

Nothing else matters.

[KP95DAO]

Last week local Tulsa police Officers stopped a van full of illegals and detained them for the INS. INS told the PD to release them as they, the INS, could, or would, not deal with them.

This happens all the time here in OK. It also happens in CO. So, if the Agency which is tasked to do the job refuses, for whatever reason, to ENFORCE THE LAW, what are the locals supposed to do? This is just another example of a Federal mandate being passed to the locals without funding.

[KSFreeman]

Selfdfenz, get down to Texas at least twice a year. I've seen first hand the horrific, oppressive conditions you have to endure. Last year my rental car was run off the road by an MB (no doubt one of those horrible immigrants was driving).

Local hospitals and foreign languages? Well, my doc friends have to deal with Russian, at least a couple versions of Chinese, Korean, Urdu, and Spanish around these parts (a little Tejas lingo). How is that different than dealing with patients who spoke Italian, French, German, or Gaelic a 100 years ago?

The hysteria over immigrants from South America is analogous to the "yellow peril" hysteria over Chinese immigration or "Catholic swarms" over Italian immigration. Both were to consume the nation and destroy us forever. They just made us stronger; however, they did give rise to parasitic politicians who used fear and ignorance to destroy liberty.

[Merkava]

The differance is every other group that came here wanted to, and did, assimilate into the "melting pot."

Archie Bunker said "I want to live where the minorities don't outnumber the majority." When you see how Americans become 2nd class citizens something is wrong. I watched this jerk on tv the other night in a bilingual ed discussion play the "racist" card what a joke - always get "you are just anti-Hispanic" typical liberal stuff instead of discuss the issue, just call names.

I flew on United into Miami once and I believe the landing announcement was made in Spanish then English - wrong! Just like when I voted in the 1990 election - the info leaflets were in English and Spanish - [color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color][color=#FF0000]█[/color]? Same in the booths "President" then its like "El Presidente" I thought you had to have a knowledge of English to become a citizen, of course all the "advocates" say "oh its to make it easier for them."

Funny how Viet boat people show up here without a word of English and 5 years later are at Harvard and MIT...and Bush doesn't help matters when he panders to certain voting blocks speaking in Spanish and giving yet ANOTHER amnesty to illegals.

At the last Republican national convention they had someone deliver a speech in Spanish - I found that insulting and so emailed the RNC. Its not about being anti-anything its preserving America as its meant to be instead of creating God knows how many Bosnia's and other Balkan-like enclaves here.

And this Hispanic/minority thing is a bunch of BS also. Last I knew they are caucasians and nobody dragged them here in change there's no diff between Hispanic or Italian or Greek or Jewish btw I understand if you come from Spain you won't be considered Hispanic...go figure that one out.

I don't blame anyone for wanting a better life but we have laws here people wait years to immigrate legally to the USA - ever see that film of like 100+ just running over the border with Mexico...literally jumping on/over cars...ending up who knows where. To be here illegally shows contempt for our laws and the PC crap "undocumented entrants" doesn't help. In some of the post 9-11 INS roundups I've seen quotes like "they arrested my bf all he did was overstay his visa" well too bad I've been all over the world and would never overstay in another country and if did I'd have only myself to blame if got nailed for it.

Anyways it ain't going to get better I'm sure. When's the Atzlan Liberation Organization forming?

[Blackhawk]

When's the Atzlan Liberation Organization forming?

It won't.

It's the soft border (a la DMZ) between the U.S. and Mexico. There's a lot of economic activity flowing through it in both directions.

We started it with the maquiladoras on the Mexican side, then there was NAFTA, and now Aztlan is useful to both countries.

The Democratic candidate for Texas governor is Tony Sanchez who hails from Laredo -- deep in the heart of Aztlan....

It's not over -- it hasn't even started....

[KSFreeman]

KP95, if the feds don't want to enforce their law, that's their call. If they are breaking some Oklahoma law, then the police should arrest them, if DoJ won't act. The government exists to prosecute you, not protect you.

BTW, doesn't Oklahoma's "Sooner" nickname come from violating immigration laws?

[paratrooper]

The word SOONER comes from the Land Rush into The Cherokee Strip . The panhandle of OK if you will . The land was put up for grabs by the US Govt. and the "sooner" you got there the better chunk of land you could claim .

[KSFreeman]

So people snuck across the border to get their claim before the cannon sounded.

[Zander]

If they are breaking some Oklahoma law, then the police should arrest them, if DoJ won't act.

That's naive at best and blindly dismissive at its worst.

What will the police force of some Oklahoma town do with dozens of illegal immigrants...charter a plane to haul them back to Mexico?

The fact of the matter is that the horribly mismanaged and corrupt INS just can't be bothered.

I was personal witness to the apprehension of 41 illegal immigrants being transported on I-40 into downtown Nashville by coyotes who had charged thousands of dollars for their "services".

The INS reaction?

They don't respond unless the "catch" numbers at least 50 illegals. Yes, it's a matter of record and I can provide a cite.

We are suffering from an unprecedented attack on our southern border...and I'm not just talking about those illegals who speak Spanish.

[LawDog]

We've never had a problem with INS in regards to any illegals we haul in, whether it be one or a truckload.

Matter-of-fact, a gentleman was brought into our facility just yesterday after he presented a novelty 'Texas ID Card' to a local PD officer on a traffic stop.

It was the only ID he had available, and he had purchased it in a Ft. Worth flea market.

We called the local INS office, and they faxed over a detainer within the hour. *shrug*

Must be some bad local INS offices out there.

LawDog