Would you buy a Glock if they solved the kb problem? - Page 4

Freetacos · November 30, 2006, 01:48 AM

Actually I like Glocks. The difference is that I don't think they are perfect. I think it is a great pistol that can get even better if people come to the table with open minds.

Ausserordeutlich · November 30, 2006, 10:53 AM

It's a great pistol, if people have minds with which to come to the table.

JR47 · November 30, 2006, 03:41 PM

More drive-by drivel from the drooling drone. What an expert. Ex as in former, and spert as in drips under pressure. Do you ever have anything but trite sayings, that have nothing to do with the subject, to enter into the discussion?

By the way, it seems like that's been asked of you a lot, judging by your post history.

mes228 · November 30, 2006, 04:06 PM

Just my 2 cents. I've owned perhaps 50 or more handguns. I've fired thousands of rounds through Glocks - mainly the Model 23's in .40 cal. I've never had a burp of any kind in a Glock, not one, nada, zip. I currently own a Glock 23, Smith Model 19 .357, and a Star BM 9mm. My opinion is that the Glock 23 is one of the most perfect handguns ever made. The combination of size, capacity, reliability, accuracy, cost, puts the Model 23 in the top 1/10th percent of all handguns ever made. Also I don't really care for plastic guns, I like blue steel and walnut. But I carry a Glock 23 because it is the most perfect pistol I've ever owned, when the entire package is considered. I've owned Colts, CZ, Tangfoglio, Smiths, Rugers, Stars, Astra, Dan Wesson, Springfield, Beretta, Sigs, and probably a few more I can't remember at the moment. I've owned several models of most of the ones mentioned. I honestly believe it takes exposure to many pistols and much firing to realize just how refined and perfect the Model 23 is. They are light, slim, relatively accurate, high capacity, simple, quick to use, durable beyond belief, and utterly reliable. Also ugly and plastic - but truly functional. Just my opinion, but is based on a pretty large sample of handguns and actually shooting them.

Ausserordeutlich · November 30, 2006, 07:42 PM

I thought my response was kind of poignant. However, I spend no time at all readng trade journals, so I hereby forego "expert" classification!

BTW, how about a little critique of the general quality of threads started by the threadstarter of this thread?

I'd bet I'm one of the few guys on TFL who even knows where Hogpen Gap is!

BigJimP · November 30, 2006, 08:11 PM

Would I personally own a Glock for any reason - no. But it has nothing to do with the KBoom's ......

I don't like poly frame guns - or anything without a fully supported chamber - or anything without a smooth trigger. So I own a variety of custom 1911's in 9mm, .40 and .45 - a lot of higher end revolvers in all kinds of calibers - and 3 Sigs ( two standard stainless 226's in 9mm and .40 and one Sgi XFive race gun in .40). The Sigs have barely acceptable triggers in my opinion - but I wanted something a little different.

But I don't like alloy frame guns either - and I've owned a few - and I've sold them all. They're light - but not what I want ( Sig, Kimber, etc).

But everybody should buy and shoot whatever they want - and what they like. I shoot with guys that shoot Glocks every week - and they shoot them very well. But doesn't mean I need to buy one if I don't like them.

nobanforme · November 30, 2006, 08:40 PM

NO NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:barf:

JR47 · December 1, 2006, 10:56 AM

From the quality of the drive-by drivel, one would assume that you don't read much, at all. No trade journals, no literature vis a vis firearms, or anywhere else. Let's just refer to your thread history, and the general opinion of the posters in those threads. :barf: :barf:

Tim R · December 1, 2006, 06:32 PM

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I don't like poly frame guns - or anything without a fully supported chamber - or anything without a smooth trigger. So I own a variety of custom 1911's in 9mm, .40 and .45 - a lot of higher end revolvers in all kinds of calibers - and 3 Sigs ( two standard stainless 226's in 9mm and .40 and one Sgi XFive race gun in .40). The Sigs have barely acceptable triggers in my opinion - but I wanted something a little different.

Hate to tell you but your 1911's don't have a fully supported chamber either.

My boss had his daughter helping him reload some 40 using 231 on his progressive press. Some got double charged and he didn't find them all. So he fired off a double charge of 231 in his Glock 35. The pistol still functioned and fired several rounds after wards. The Chamber was cracked as was the trigger. After replacing a few parts the 35 is back up and running. I thought it said a lot for Glock. I've never had a problem with my 35 as I pretty careful what I feed it as I do for all of my firearms.

**JohnKSa** · December 1, 2006, 06:50 PM

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Hate to tell you but your 1911's don't have a fully supported chamber either.

Correct. As far as I know, there are only a very few centerfirre semi-auto handguns with fully supported chambers--none of them common brands/models.

Hard Ball · December 1, 2006, 07:03 PM

No, I would not want to bet my life on one.

tony stark · December 2, 2006, 02:00 AM

kb stands for ka-boom, ka-bluee, good bye gun.
with the distrorted cases i've seen out of my glocks, i won't reload for them.
i'm sure glocks have been blown to pieces by faulty loading procedures.
we all know that you can blow anything up.
i'm also sure that part of the problem is the high pressure, small capacity cartirigdes, ei 40 sw, 10mm & 357 sig.
the unsupported chambers on the glock pistols allows these gun to just shoot regardless of the conditions. the question i have is when does the quest for reliablity become a design flaw?

Hard Ball · December 2, 2006, 12:50 PM

The problem is Tony that Glocks also KB with factory ammunition.

threegun · December 2, 2006, 01:41 PM

Hard Ball, Most guns have had KB's with both factory and reloaded ammo. So you must not trust any firearm for self defense.....right? The Glock has proved itself as reliable as the most reliable.........and that is pretty darned good. If you don't trust the gun for another reason thats up for debate however not trusting it because of a supposed KB "problem" is just plain ignorance of reality or blinding bias.

BUSTER51 · December 2, 2006, 02:51 PM

yawn !

Hammerhead · December 2, 2006, 04:50 PM

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Hard Ball · December 2, 2006, 04:53 PM

"Most guns have had KB's with both factory and reloaded ammo. So you must not trust any firearm for self defens"

Wrong. A true KB is impossible in automatics with a Browning action. I trust them,

M1911 · December 2, 2006, 05:04 PM

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Would you buy a Glock if they had better case support?

I already did. I've got a Glock 17, 23, and 34. The KB thing doesn't concern me in the least.

shooter71 · December 2, 2006, 10:12 PM

so is it fair to just say if youre gonna shoot reloads, make sure the pressure is a mfg recommended value and the person doing them knows what he/she is doing?

what if the pressure was underrated a bit, could/would that be a prb?

**JohnKSa** · December 4, 2006, 09:57 PM

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A true KB is impossible in automatics with a Browning action.

How does the "Browning action" prevent "true kB!s"?

threegun · December 5, 2006, 06:16 AM

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How does the "Browning action" prevent "true kB!s"?

Smart technology! It knows when a double charge is in a cartridge. It has an alarm that sounds when a squib load pushes the projectile half way down the barrel so you won't fire the next shot. It also relies on FM (F---in Magic) to prevent them.

Really though, I don't know either.........and I'm real curious.

Ralph2 · December 5, 2006, 12:24 PM

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"Most guns have had KB's with both factory and reloaded ammo. So you must not trust any firearm for self defens"

Wrong. A true KB is impossible in automatics with a Browning action. I trust them,

I was over on a Sig site and there were KB's witnessed by some on Revolvers, 1911's HK's Glocks and Sigs. Some Factory and mostly reloads.

Any gun is capable of letting go for any number of reasons.

Lunch is over I will look for the site later.

jcharisman · December 5, 2006, 12:29 PM

No, I wouldn't. :barf:

mjrodney · December 5, 2006, 07:42 PM

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Correct. As far as I know, there are only a very few centerfirre semi-auto handguns with fully supported chambers--none of them common brands/models.

I beg to differ....see my previous post.....Sig P220.

Second entry, towards the bottom, with photograph.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...d.php?t=221599

Crosshair · December 6, 2006, 03:51 AM

However, how many handguns chamber high pressure rounds like the 40 S&W AND have large areas of unsupported chamber. Just asking and genuinely curious about this aspect. Who has a copy of the photo showing the case support among different 40 S&W autoloaders?

November 30, 2006, 04:06 PM	#79
mes228 Senior Member Join Date: July 19, 2005 Posts: 628	Glocks Just my 2 cents. I've owned perhaps 50 or more handguns. I've fired thousands of rounds through Glocks - mainly the Model 23's in .40 cal. I've never had a burp of any kind in a Glock, not one, nada, zip. I currently own a Glock 23, Smith Model 19 .357, and a Star BM 9mm. My opinion is that the Glock 23 is one of the most perfect handguns ever made. The combination of size, capacity, reliability, accuracy, cost, puts the Model 23 in the top 1/10th percent of all handguns ever made. Also I don't really care for plastic guns, I like blue steel and walnut. But I carry a Glock 23 because it is the most perfect pistol I've ever owned, when the entire package is considered. I've owned Colts, CZ, Tangfoglio, Smiths, Rugers, Stars, Astra, Dan Wesson, Springfield, Beretta, Sigs, and probably a few more I can't remember at the moment. I've owned several models of most of the ones mentioned. I honestly believe it takes exposure to many pistols and much firing to realize just how refined and perfect the Model 23 is. They are light, slim, relatively accurate, high capacity, simple, quick to use, durable beyond belief, and utterly reliable. Also ugly and plastic - but truly functional. Just my opinion, but is based on a pretty large sample of handguns and actually shooting them.

December 1, 2006, 07:03 PM	#86
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	No, I would not want to bet my life on one. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

December 2, 2006, 02:00 AM	#87
tony stark Member Join Date: November 13, 2005 Location: bakersfield a Posts: 59	what does kb stand for kb stands for ka-boom, ka-bluee, good bye gun. with the distrorted cases i've seen out of my glocks, i won't reload for them. i'm sure glocks have been blown to pieces by faulty loading procedures. we all know that you can blow anything up. i'm also sure that part of the problem is the high pressure, small capacity cartirigdes, ei 40 sw, 10mm & 357 sig. the unsupported chambers on the glock pistols allows these gun to just shoot regardless of the conditions. the question i have is when does the quest for reliablity become a design flaw?

December 2, 2006, 12:50 PM	#88
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	The problem is Tony that Glocks also KB with factory ammunition. __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

December 2, 2006, 04:53 PM	#92
Hard Ball Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: California Posts: 3,925	"Most guns have had KB's with both factory and reloaded ammo. So you must not trust any firearm for self defens" Wrong. A true KB is impossible in automatics with a Browning action. I trust them, __________________ "I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemeis domestic or foreign WHOMSOEVER."

November 30, 2006, 01:48 AM	#76
Freetacos Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2006 Location: California Posts: 441	Actually I like Glocks. The difference is that I don't think they are perfect. I think it is a great pistol that can get even better if people come to the table with open minds.

November 30, 2006, 10:53 AM	#77
Ausserordeutlich Junior member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 996	It's a great pistol, if people have minds with which to come to the table.

November 30, 2006, 03:41 PM	#78
JR47 Junior member Join Date: August 9, 2005 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2,228	More drive-by drivel from the drooling drone. What an expert. Ex as in former, and spert as in drips under pressure. Do you ever have anything but trite sayings, that have nothing to do with the subject, to enter into the discussion? By the way, it seems like that's been asked of you a lot, judging by your post history.

November 30, 2006, 07:42 PM	#80
Ausserordeutlich Junior member Join Date: May 27, 2006 Posts: 996	I thought my response was kind of poignant. However, I spend no time at all readng trade journals, so I hereby forego "expert" classification! BTW, how about a little critique of the general quality of threads started by the threadstarter of this thread? I'd bet I'm one of the few guys on TFL who even knows where Hogpen Gap is!

November 30, 2006, 08:11 PM	#81
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Would I personally own a Glock for any reason - no. But it has nothing to do with the KBoom's ...... I don't like poly frame guns - or anything without a fully supported chamber - or anything without a smooth trigger. So I own a variety of custom 1911's in 9mm, .40 and .45 - a lot of higher end revolvers in all kinds of calibers - and 3 Sigs ( two standard stainless 226's in 9mm and .40 and one Sgi XFive race gun in .40). The Sigs have barely acceptable triggers in my opinion - but I wanted something a little different. But I don't like alloy frame guns either - and I've owned a few - and I've sold them all. They're light - but not what I want ( Sig, Kimber, etc). But everybody should buy and shoot whatever they want - and what they like. I shoot with guys that shoot Glocks every week - and they shoot them very well. But doesn't mean I need to buy one if I don't like them.

November 30, 2006, 08:40 PM	#82
nobanforme Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 389	NO NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:barf:

December 1, 2006, 10:56 AM	#83
JR47 Junior member Join Date: August 9, 2005 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2,228	From the quality of the drive-by drivel, one would assume that you don't read much, at all. No trade journals, no literature vis a vis firearms, or anywhere else. Let's just refer to your thread history, and the general opinion of the posters in those threads. :barf: :barf:

December 2, 2006, 01:41 PM	#89
threegun Junior member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Location: Tampa,Fl Posts: 4,000	Hard Ball, Most guns have had KB's with both factory and reloaded ammo. So you must not trust any firearm for self defense.....right? The Glock has proved itself as reliable as the most reliable.........and that is pretty darned good. If you don't trust the gun for another reason thats up for debate however not trusting it because of a supposed KB "problem" is just plain ignorance of reality or blinding bias.

December 2, 2006, 02:51 PM	#90
BUSTER51 Junior member Join Date: December 28, 2004 Location: PHOENIX, AZ Posts: 992	yawn !

December 2, 2006, 10:12 PM	#94
shooter71 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2006 Location: USA Posts: 129	so is it fair to just say if youre gonna shoot reloads, make sure the pressure is a mfg recommended value and the person doing them knows what he/she is doing? what if the pressure was underrated a bit, could/would that be a prb?

December 5, 2006, 12:29 PM	#98
jcharisman Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2005 Posts: 116	No, I wouldn't. :barf: __________________ I protect that which matters most.

December 6, 2006, 03:51 AM	#100
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	However, how many handguns chamber high pressure rounds like the 40 S&W AND have large areas of unsupported chamber. Just asking and genuinely curious about this aspect. Who has a copy of the photo showing the case support among different 40 S&W autoloaders? __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.