What will YOU do when they come for your guns/WTSHTF

[Herr Walther]

There are many likely scenarios for when this occurs. This is just one example, however unlikely it may be:

Say guns have already been mandatorily registered, now they're being confiscated door to door.

UN troops have been mobilized in the States to insure compliance
with cerfews, roadblocks, checkpoints, and a total ban on the sale of ammunition and firearms.

What will you do when the JBT's come knocking on your door?

Honest Answers Please.

[Edward429451]

Hopefully I would've already bugged out, but if not I would fight them with everything I had. Not that I want to firefight with anybody, just that I refuse to be a sheep. They can only kill my body once. My fighting back may inspire the neighbors to fight, lower the morale of the JBT's, and other positive dominoes which I may not have thought of yet.

I dont know where to report to my local militia, or even if there is one locally.

It takes a bigger man to stand and fight than to pull your pants down and beg "go easy on me!"

Again, I do not want to but it may be necessary.

[jimpeel]

Basically, the guns should be buried long before this. The best way is to form three man cadres (A, B, and C). A and B choose, unknown to C, an alternate "C" should C be arrested. The same with A and C and B and C. If any one of the cadre is arrested, the other two, accompanied by the alternate, go to where the guns are buried and remove them to a new location and the old member is out of the loop -- forever. This way, he can't give up the location of the firearms and he can't give up the alternate who reforms the cadre if the other two are given up.

He is free to start another three man cadre if he wishes but his involvement with the original three man cadre is over.

[SpyGuy]

I would say that such a poll is impossible to answer with such limited information.

Most people's actions would be influenced by the long train of events leading up to the actual confiscation. Furthermore, how the confiscation is conducted, where it's started, how much time before they get to your community, etc., all would factor into the equation.

Besides, I strongly beleive that the door-to-door raids will only occur after they have disarmed 90+% of the population through ever-encroaching legislation, litigation, and regulation.

This is the scenario I predict for the mass-disarming of the American people:

1. The government enacts mandatory registration (or they just cull the DROS records, background check records, etc.). This will identify the vast majority of the gun owners. (Btw, I predict that in the near future, teh government will require all firearms dealers to use a BATF-authorized computer program to record all DROS records. For ease of BATF audits of course.)

2. The "lawmakers" ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of all "evil, offensive" weapons, ammunition, and accessories. (Except the stuff made only for the government, of course.)

3. The government makes public proclamations and sends official notices to all registered owners to surrender their weapons within 90 days or face felony status (with threat of fines and imprisonment).

4. They conduct a few high-profile arrests and convictions (always in conjuction with other alleged offenses--like tax evasion--to alay the sheeple's fears of jack-booted, gun confiscating thugs) just to show gun-owners that they're serious and to put the "Fear of State" into those that would rather not comply.

Since these government tactics are already being employed to disarm us, I think a more appropriate question would be: given the above scenario, what would you do to preserve your RKBA and how do you think you'd get away with it?

You don't really think they'd believe you if you were to tell them you sold your entire firearms collection without any records, do you? (Besides, private transfer of firearms is now illegal and good enough for them to prosecute you. See how the encroaching "bureaucracy" works. :barf: ).

[SpyGuy]

The best way is to form three man cadres...

Here are some problems with that idea:

1. People are always the weakest link in any security system. Once a member of your cadre is arrested, he will be forced to give up, not only your cache, but the other members of the cadre. (That's assuming that he isn't an agent or doesn't turn snitch in the first place.) He will likely do this before you can regroup and move the cache.

2. Once the arrests start, they will propagate though your "loose organization" like wildfire. Each new arrest offers the interrogators an opportunity to take down two more members.

3. Moving the cache is a very risky operation. Each move exposes the firearms to confiscation and the three-man team to arrest.

I think a better way is for you, #A, to encourage your buddies #B and #C and #D, etc., to each acquire their own guns and ammo and hide so that only they individually know where their cache is located. Since each buddy only knows where his stash is, he can't jeopardize the stashes of others. And since each person has no idea who has a stash and who doesn't, he can't compromise his buddies. This has the added advantage of increasing the number of caches.

[Herr Walther]

Spyguy, as I said this is only one scenario. Many things could have happened or not happened to get to this point. I'm glad you were willing to discuss your views as this is really up to you as to how you interpret how what may or may not happen.

You'd be surprised at some of the people I've asked this question to that really do answer that they sold them all already.

Maybe a better poll would have been, "Where do YOU draw your line in the sand, and what are YOU going to do about it?"

[SpyGuy]

You'd be surprised at some of the people I've asked this question to that really do answer that they sold them all already.

I'd be interested in the breakdown of people who:

a) really sold them
b) really expect the government to believe that they sold them

I'm not sure if it's a federal law or just a Calif state law that requires all sales to be made (and recorded) through a licensed firearms dealer. (I'm fairly certain it's a federal law.)

Anyway, my point was that if people think they can get the government off their backs by claiming that they sold their firearms without documented records, they are going be in for a nasty surprise.

[Edward429451]

Herr Walther, Did you not vote?...Why?

[Herr Walther]

That must be a PRK law. Private sales are fine in Illinois.

Yes I did vote. I'm surprised with as many views that the topic has had that more people didn't vote. I guess they don't know what they'll do.

I was the lone vote for #3. I would've voted for #7, but they don't exist where I live.

[Calamity Jane]

Confiscate the confiscators' guns and all their equipment, and use them to better arm the resistance.

[Edward429451]

Maybe some are not voting because they're conerned about what they say in print. This is totally understandable and expectable.

For the people who voted #2, Hand em' over, hide one, hope for the best...You'll undoubtably still be arrested because you still a potential risk to them. Expect no mercy, friends. Dont even try to trust them or you will jepordize your families safety and freedom. I expect them to be splitting families up to be detained at different facilities....Hope I'm wrong

[PATH]

I'll cross that bridge when i come to it No point in tipping my hand!

[Herr Walther]

Totally understandable given the political climate we live in.

[longeyes]

Those who say don't know. Those who know don't say.

Where did I hear that before? Was it Jimi Hendrix or Lao-Tzu or Eldridge Cleaver or Bill Klinton...?

I suspect a lot of gunowners, in the throes of ordnance separation anxiety, will have dumped their guns into the nearest body of deep blue, never to be found.

Bullets first. Folks thought they would be fine if they did the "right thing" in Germany before WWII but look what happened. The way I see it, you may die trying to fend them off, but if you give up, you and your family will die a much more brutal death later.

[Silver Bullet]

Maybe we should do the math. I don't know the answers to

1) How many armed patriots are there in this country ?
2) How many armed U.S. military are there ?
3) How many armed U.N. soldiers are there ?

If everybody in this country who has a gun could be included in number (1), don't we outnumber the others by dozens to one ?

I just saw a movie where Ralph Fiennes played three different Jews during the 30s and 40s. There was a scene where one of the characters he played was tortured and killed by four armed Nazi soldiers in front of maybe a thousand unarmed Jewish prisoners, with nothing separating them. The moral here is the psychology of the situation. Every prisoner feared taking action against the Germans on his own, yet if they all acted in concert they could have easily overwhelmed the four Nazis.

If there are ten or twenty million of us, and if we act in concert, I don't see how numbers (2) and (3) can prevail. Also, I hope many (2) will become (1) .

[DeputyVaughn]

When the time comes to bury guns, it will already be past time to dig them up!

Scott A. Vaughn

[SpyGuy]

The moral here is the psychology of the situation. Every prisoner feared taking action against the Germans on his own, yet if they all acted in concert they could have easily overwhelmed the four Nazis. If there are ten or twenty million of us, and if we act in concert, I don't see how numbers (2) and (3) can prevail.

That is why the socialists are busy indoctrinating the youth of this country through the state-controlled schools, the leftist universities, the liberal entertainment industry, and the politically-biased news media. Even the military is becoming corupted by PC (politically coerced) propaganda.

Already, most Americans are morally corrupt, ethically challenged, intellectually flaccid, narcissistically self-centered, and dissolutely greedy.

Face it, most Americans today do not have the character or fiber to stand up to our government. Why do you think it becomes ever more totalitarian? If Americans can not muster enough collective outrage to wield a vote, why do you think they will wield a weapon?

Not only will most Americans fail to collectively fight the tyranny when it comes, but many will actually turn against their own neighbors--and even their own family--to save or promote themselves. People are already doing that in their everyday lives.

[Arizona Fusilier]

I voted "Other", along the lines of Calamity Jane.

I'll be kicking in their door first.

'nuff said!

[Scott Conklin]

I was the lone vote for #3. I would've voted for #7, but they don't exist where I live. -- Herr Walther

They don't? There's militia in Illinois...but if you can't find one the only thing stopping you from forming one yourself is...you.

[AugustWest]

I don't think the scenario posed is very likely, but I answered "already bugged out," because if the day comes that foreign troops land on U.S. soil for other than training purposes, I'll be up in the hills looking for others who will resist.

[Mr. James]

Calamity Jane, as always:

Spyguy: Too true. [Ed. note: rant commencing] Why do we sneer at the "sheeple?" Because we're surrounded by them, and in many cases, may be them. "Bread and circuses" and, man, we're up to our wazoos in both. Fat, lazy, and alternately sated or greed-crazed. We [Americans] can't be bothered to vote, and when we do, we invariably choose scoundrals, blackguards and crypto-facists to represent us (how, pray, have the good people of New York given us both Charlie Schumer and Billary? And how many centuries has Turdy Kennedy been in office? And don't get me started on Kalifornia). When their true malignancy can no longer be ignored, do we throw the bums out? Hell no, we re-elect them for another term. It's all about comfort, dude...what's on TV? pass me a beer, and let's not worry about a thing.

I read a story in today's Washington [Com]Post which sent me into paroxysms of outrage. Fairfax County, Virginia has a "Hoarding Task Force." No kidding. This "Task Force's" mission? To ensure that no citizens store too much junk within the confines of their own homes. The article describes how this task force, with help from local volunteers - i.e., her neighbors and former co-workers - can you say "Stasi?" - forced a woman from her home, emptied it of all her possessions (admittedly, piles and piles of c***), which were then trucked to a landfill, put her mother in a nursing home, and threw the woman into the street. She's sleeping in her own back yard.

My point in this rambling is that whatever the woman's problems, which were manifest, what compelling state interest, what burningly urgent public safety need, justified invading her home, destroying her property, effectively imprisoning her mother, and adding her to the ranks of the homeless? Whatever her odd proclivities, she entertained them in the privacy of her home. How dare some damn county government lackey come into my home, tell me what I can or cannot keep there, and where I may keep it, and deprive me of my home if I disagree?

And her @#%$# neighbors aided and abetted this, to the point of helping to carry out the trash! There is certainly a special circle of hell for them.

And my wife hears this story and rolls her eyes - "there you go again." She sees nothing improper here. So, all you cat ladies, packrats, and ... gun collectors (egads, lethal weapons and explosive hazardous materials in a residential neighborhood? This will not do!) get ready. You don't have to worry about JBTs from ATF no-knocking their way through your living room. No, your local county health inspector will gladly do the job for them, and your next door neighbors, p***** off about the trash in your yard, or your dog relieving himself on their begonias, will gladly roll up their sleeves to lend a hand.


Good Lord, someone get me some Thorazine.

[neal bloom]

UN Troops would be the last of my worries. My yellow bellied, gutless, whining, left wing, antigun fellow Americans would probably have ratted me out long before UN troops show up at my door. Just hope that no United States Citizens are part of the UN troops kicking doors in. That would hurt. But I guess if UN troops show up on our soil kicking our doors in, the term United States probably has lost its meaning as would the Constitution and the Declaration of Independance. Would be a very sad day.

[rowdy1]

Herr,

They are everywhere!

http://illinoisstatemilitia.homestea...TEMILITIA.html

[Jason Demond]

If you give them the bullets first you will die, which is fine if you have the conviction. If you join the militia you will be in an army and stand a better chance.

If I had a choice the militia would be it, otherwise I will take out as many as I can before I'm killed.